Thought I'd donate my Rogue/Shifter build to the cause.

I call it her The Scamp.

The idea is that she was brought up around animals, so had a natural bond with them because of her mother's, but doesn't pursure it once she gets on her own. She is insatiably curious and gets a kick out of playing pretend. She is a handful. Always into everything . . . she wants a cookie? She shifts into a kobold and sneaks over and steals one. No one will be the wiser because they're all busy wondering how a kobold got into the cookiejar.

326 HP 26 AC Human, Chaotic Neutral, Druid 6/Shifter 17/Rogue 17
9 HP/7 skill points per Druid/Shifter level, 7 HP/11 skill points per Rogue level

Str 14
Dex 15-25 (26 with Great Dexterity I)
Con 12
Int 14
Wis 14
Cha 8

Lvl 1/Druid 1: Alertness, Extend Spell
Lvl 3/Druid 3: Dodge
Lvl 6/Druid 6: Mobility
Pts in: Animal Empathy-9, Concentration-9, Craft Armor-9, Craft Trap-9, Craft Weapon-9, Heal-9, Lore-9
Lvl 7/Shifter 1
Pts in: Animal Empathy-1, Concentration-1, Craft Armor-1, Craft Trap-1, Craft Weapon-1, Heal-1, Lore-1
Lvl 8/Rogue 1
Pts in: Disable Trap-1, Tumble-10
Lvl 9/Shifter 2: Weapon Finesse
Pts in: Hide-7
Lvl 10/Rogue 2
Pts in: Open Lock-1, Use Magic Device-10
Lvl 11/Shifter 3
Pts in: Hide-7
Lvl 12/Rogue 3: Weapon Proficiency: Exotic
Pts in: Move Silently-5, Set Trap-1, Tumble-5
Lvl 13/Shifter 4
Pts in: Concentration-5, Hide-2
Lvl 14/Rogue 4
Pts in: Disable Trap 1, Move Silently-10
Lvl 15/Shifter 5: Knockdown
Pts in: Hide-2, Lore-5
Lvl 16/Rogue 5
Pts in: Disable Trap-3, Open Lock-3, Use Magic Device-5
Lvl 17/Shifter 6
Pts in: Concentration-5, Hide-2
Lvl 18/Rogue 6: Improved Knockdown
Pts in: Move Silently-5, Open Lock-1, Tumble-5
Lvl 19/Shifter 7
Pts in: Hide-2, Lore-5
Lvl 20/Rogue 7
Pts in: Disable Trap-5, Search-5, Set Trap-1
Lvl 21/Shifter 8: Epic Skill Focus: Concentration
Pts in: Concentration-4, Hide-2, Lore-1
Lvl 22/Rogue 8
Pts in: Move Silently-5, Set Trap-1, Tumble-5
Lvl 23/Shifter 9
Pts in: Concentration-1, Hide-2, Lore-4
Lvl 24/Shifter 10: Ambideterity
Pts in: Concentration-2, Hide-1, Lore-2, Carry 2 Points
Lvl 25/Shifter 11
Pts in: Concentration-1, Hide-1, Lore-1, Carry 6 Points
Lvl 26/Shifter 12
Pts in: Concentration-1, Hide-1, Lore-1, Carry 10 Points
Lvl 27/Rogue 9: Two-weapon Fighting
Pts in: Move Silently-5, Set Trap-1, Tumble-5, Use Magic Device-10
Lvl 28/Shifter 13: Shifter Bonus Feat: Undead Shape
Pts in: Concentration-2, Hide-2, Lore-2, Carry 1 Point
Lvl 29/Shifter 14
Pts in: Concentration-1, Hide-1, Lore-1, Carry 5 Points
Lvl 30/Shifter 15: Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
Pts in: Concentration-1, Hide-1, Lore-1, Carry 9 Points
Lvl 31/Shifter 16: Shifter Bonus Feat: Epic Energy Resistance: Sonic I
Pts in: Concentration-1, Hide-1, Lore-1, Carry 13 Points
Lvl 32/Shifter 17
Pts in: Concentration-1, Hide-1, Lore-1, Carry 17 Points
Lvl 33/Rogue 10: Rogue Bonus feat: Improved Evasion, Great Dexterity I
Pts in: Disable Trap-5, Move Silently-5, Search-7, Set Trap-1, Tumble-5, Use Magic Device-5
Lvl 34/Rogue 11
Pts in: Disable Trap-5, Search-1, Use Magic Device-5
Lvl 35/Rogue 12
Pts in: Open Lock-5, Search-1, Set Trap-5
Lvl 36/Rogue 13: Rogue Bonus Feat: Defensive Roll, Epic Dodge
Pts in: Disable Trap-5, Search-6
Lvl 37/Rogue 14
Pts in: Search-1, Tumble-5, Use Magic Device-5
Lvl 38/Rogue 15
Pts in: Hide-5, Move Silently-5, Search-1
Lvl 39/Rogue 16: Rogue Bonus Feat: Imp. Sneak Attack I, Imp. Sneak Attack II
Pts in: Disable Trap-5, Search-6
Lvl 40/Rogue 17
Pts in: Open Lock-5, Search-1, Set Trap-5


Many of the feats I chose are because of my character vision, not because they are the most efficient ones.

If she didn't dual wield, and used a shield instead, she would get benefits of the shield properties when shifted. But I can't see a scamp like her carrying around a shield when trying to blend in with shadows, so she dual wields instead.

She has Epic Dodge, which rocks, and very high UMD for using wands and scrolls she may find. Weapon prof exotic means she can use the rogueish Kukris, or a whip. Extend spell means the few buffs she has will last longer, like Bulls str, barkskin, Camoflague, and One with the Land.

She gets all the improved forms for the base shifter shapes, and Undead shape as well.

You can easily exchange Epic Skill focus: Concentration for Armor skin . . . I just decided I hated getting my darkness interupted constantly as a drider.
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Edited By Cinnabar Din on 02/27/08 17:15

What kind of AB do you get in shifted / unshifted form?

AC?
Quote: Posted 03/25/04 19:11:46 (GMT) -- billb0

Thought I'd donate my Rogue/Shifter build to the cause.

I call it her The Scamp.

The idea is that she was brought up around animals, so had a natural bond with them because of her mother's, but doesn't pursure it once she gets on her own. She is insatiably curious and gets a kick out of playing pretend. She is a handful. Always into everything . . . she wants a cookie? She shifts into a kobold and sneaks over and steals one. No one will be the wiser because they're all busy wondering how a kobold got into the cookiejar.

326 HP 26 AC Human, Chaotic Neutral, Druid 6/Shifter 17/Rogue 17
9 HP/7 skill points per Druid/Shifter level, 7 HP/11 skill points per Rogue level

Str 14
Dex 15-25 (26 with Great Dexterity I)
Con 12
Int 14
Wis 14
Cha 8

Lvl 1/Druid 1: Alertness, Extend Spell
Lvl 3/Druid 3: Dodge
Lvl 6/Druid 6: Mobility
Pts in: Animal Empathy-9, Concentration-9, Craft Armor-9, Craft Trap-9, Craft Weapon-9, Heal-9, Lore-9
Lvl 7/Shifter 1
Pts in: Animal Empathy-1, Concentration-1, Craft Armor-1, Craft Trap-1, Craft Weapon-1, Heal-1, Lore-1
Lvl 8/Rogue 1
Pts in: Disable Trap-1, Tumble-10
Lvl 9/Shifter 2: Weapon Finesse
Pts in: Hide-7
Lvl 10/Rogue 2
Pts in: Open Lock-1, Use Magic Device-10
Lvl 11/Shifter 3
Pts in: Hide-7
Lvl 12/Rogue 3: Weapon Proficiency: Exotic
Pts in: Move Silently-5, Set Trap-1, Tumble-5
Lvl 13/Shifter 4
Pts in: Concentration-5, Hide-2
Lvl 14/Rogue 4
Pts in: Disable Trap 1, Move Silently-10
Lvl 15/Shifter 5: Knockdown
Pts in: Hide-2, Lore-5
Lvl 16/Rogue 5
Pts in: Disable Trap-3, Open Lock-3, Use Magic Device-5
Lvl 17/Shifter 6
Pts in: Concentration-5, Hide-2
Lvl 18/Rogue 6: Improved Knockdown
Pts in: Move Silently-5, Open Lock-1, Tumble-5
Lvl 19/Shifter 7
Pts in: Hide-2, Lore-5
Lvl 20/Rogue 7
Pts in: Disable Trap-5, Search-5, Set Trap-1
Lvl 21/Shifter 8: Epic Skill Focus: Concentration
Pts in: Concentration-4, Hide-2, Lore-1
Lvl 22/Rogue 8
Pts in: Move Silently-5, Set Trap-1, Tumble-5
Lvl 23/Shifter 9
Pts in: Concentration-1, Hide-2, Lore-4
Lvl 24/Shifter 10: Ambideterity
Pts in: Concentration-2, Hide-1, Lore-2, Carry 2 Points
Lvl 25/Shifter 11
Pts in: Concentration-1, Hide-1, Lore-1, Carry 6 Points
Lvl 26/Shifter 12
Pts in: Concentration-1, Hide-1, Lore-1, Carry 10 Points
Lvl 27/Rogue 9: Two-weapon Fighting
Pts in: Move Silently-5, Set Trap-1, Tumble-5, Use Magic Device-10
Lvl 28/Shifter 13: Shifter Bonus Feat: Undead Shape
Pts in: Concentration-2, Hide-2, Lore-2, Carry 1 Point
Lvl 29/Shifter 14
Pts in: Concentration-1, Hide-1, Lore-1, Carry 5 Points
Lvl 30/Shifter 15: Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
Pts in: Concentration-1, Hide-1, Lore-1, Carry 9 Points
Lvl 31/Shifter 16: Shifter Bonus Feat: Epic Energy Resistance: Sonic I
Pts in: Concentration-1, Hide-1, Lore-1, Carry 13 Points
Lvl 32/Shifter 17
Pts in: Concentration-1, Hide-1, Lore-1, Carry 17 Points
Lvl 33/Rogue 10: Rogue Bonus feat: Improved Evasion, Great Dexterity I
Pts in: Disable Trap-5, Move Silently-5, Search-7, Set Trap-1, Tumble-5, Use Magic Device-5
Lvl 34/Rogue 11
Pts in: Disable Trap-5, Search-1, Use Magic Device-5
Lvl 35/Rogue 12
Pts in: Open Lock-5, Search-1, Set Trap-5
Lvl 36/Rogue 13: Rogue Bonus Feat: Defensive Roll, Epic Dodge
Pts in: Disable Trap-5, Search-6
Lvl 37/Rogue 14
Pts in: Search-1, Tumble-5, Use Magic Device-5
Lvl 38/Rogue 15
Pts in: Hide-5, Move Silently-5, Search-1
Lvl 39/Rogue 16: Rogue Bonus Feat: Imp. Sneak Attack I, Imp. Sneak Attack II
Pts in: Disable Trap-5, Search-6
Lvl 40/Rogue 17
Pts in: Open Lock-5, Search-1, Set Trap-5


Many of the feats I chose are because of my character vision, not because they are the most efficient ones.

If she didn't dual wield, and used a shield instead, she would get benefits of the shield properties when shifted. But I can't see a scamp like her carrying around a shield when trying to blend in with shadows, so she dual wields instead.

She has Epic Dodge, which rocks, and very high UMD for using wands and scrolls she may find. Weapon prof exotic means she can use the rogueish Kukris, or a whip. Extend spell means the few buffs she has will last longer, like Bulls str, barkskin, Camoflague, and One with the Land.

She gets all the improved forms for the base shifter shapes, and Undead shape as well.

You can easily exchange Epic Skill focus: Concentration for Armor skin . . . I just decided I hated getting my darkness interupted constantly as a drider.
Btw your levelinf chart is *VERY* bad in stead of going

level 3 -2 Hide 2-MS

Try having your Skill points just at the bottom of you leveling (wich you did but you put -2 hide *AS WELL*). Again, please let these bad formatted, poorly documented 2-year-old builds rest in peace. I doubt if Zelle frequents these pages, at least she hasn't posted in the time I've been here.
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Uh, first of all, this character was role-play based, and while very very powerful, was by no means tweaked to all extremes.

Secondly, just cause it's two years old doens't make it bad

Thirdly, nit-picking about the format used to post is like pulling out an outfit from the 70s and saying how horrible it is. It was the format that was being used at the time, and your criticism is somewhat illegible, so, I find that ironic

And lastly, I'm flattered someone dug out my "main character" that I actually played on many worlds and posted it after all this time!
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Shifter Goddess! . . . Zelle's Shifter Details, Version V
Quote: Posted 07/19/06 15:54:14 (GMT) -- ZelleQyllvan

I had to join just so I could start commenting

Uh, first of all, this character was role-play based, and while very very powerful, was by no means tweaked to all extremes.

Secondly, just cause it's two years old doens't make it bad

Thirdly, nit-picking about the format used to post is like pulling out an outfit from the 70s and saying how horrible it is. It was the format that was being used at the time, and your criticism is somewhat illegible, so, I find that ironic

And lastly, I'm flattered someone dug out my "main character" that I actually played on many worlds and posted it after all this time!

I didnt know you still played

O.O

>,> we use to be on the same server
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Quote: Posted 07/19/06 15:54:14 (GMT) -- ZelleQyllvan

Secondly, just cause it's two years old doens't make it bad
Where did I say it was bad? It's actually good.

Quote: Posted 07/19/06 15:54:14 (GMT) -- ZelleQyllvan
Thirdly, nit-picking about the format used to post is like pulling out an outfit from the 70s and saying how horrible it is. It was the format that was being used at the time, and your criticism is somewhat illegible, so, I find that ironic
First, the build wasn't originally made for this forum, so I really don't care about the format. But there are always reasons why we don't use those clothes from the 70'ies anymore. But why someone asks about 2 year old builds from people that weren't even here I tell them they shouldn't hope to much for answer.

Quote: Posted 07/19/06 15:54:14 (GMT) -- ZelleQyllvan
And lastly, I'm flattered someone dug out my "main character" that I actually played on many worlds and posted it after all this time!

That you should be proud of, you are free to make a new post about it if you want too, since many people have asked about your shifters. Billbo moved this here 2 years ago.


Now that you are around, feel free to include some shifted stats to answer this recent question, should you still have them. Glad to have you along, Zelle.

Quote: Posted 06/30/05 18:33:57 (GMT) -- lendorallen

What kind of AB do you get in shifted / unshifted form?

AC?

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Dragonlance ROH is back, better than before! and I spend a little time here WoG My game CD is in another state at this time, so being woefully out of touch atm, the only thing I can tell you is that unshifted and unbuffed, base AC is 26. (I think, unless I was calculating differently than I should have been. Cause it's at the top of the character details.)

I can tell you that playestyle-wise vs NPCs I heavily utilized the darkness via drider and drow forms (depending which I had unlimited uses of,) and sneak attacked things to oblivion. (Yay for level 1 ultravision.) AB varied GREATLY depending on weapon finesse or not (high dex character, didn't worry about high wisdom so didn't get the majority of the epic shifter forms,) and now I hear that that feat works on Creature form weapons? I don't think it used to, so I'd have to run some tests.
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Shifter Goddess! . . . Zelle's Shifter Details, Version V

Edited By ZelleQyllvan on 07/19/06 19:49

Unshifted Stats:
AB:
(no buffs, finessable weapon)
32/27/22 (34/29/24 in a wilderness area)
(no buffs, dual wielding small or tiny finessable weapons)
30/25/20 (32/27/22 in a wilderness area)
30/25 (32/27 in a wilderness area)

AC:
27 (no equipment, no buffs) [10+1 dodge+8 tumble+8 dex]

Hitpoints 326 (max every level)

Final Saves
Fortitude 23
Reflex 30
Will 21

Final Skills
Animal Empathy 10 (12)
Concentration 34 (46)
Craft Armor 10 (12)
Craft Trap 10 (12)
Craft Weapon 10 (12)
Disable Trap 30 (40)
Heal 10 (12)
Hide 40 (48)
Move Silently 40 (48)
Search 29 (31)
Set Trap 15 (19)
Open Lock 15 (23)
Lore 35 (37)
Tumble 40 (48)
Use Magic Device 40 (39)

Drow Form
Final attributes
STR 22
DEX 24
CON 10
INT 14
WIS 14
CHA 8

AB
(no buffs, drow longsword)
36/31/26

AC
30

Hitpoints 346 (max every level)

Drider Form

Final attributes
STR 19
DEX 17
CON 18
INT 14
WIS 14
CHA 8

AB
(no buffs, drider spear)
33/28/23

AC
25

Hitpoints 506 (max every level)

Kobold Commando Form
Final attributes
STR 14
DEX 25
CON 12
INT 14
WIS 14
CHA 8

AB
(no buffs, kobold shortsword)
37/32/27

AC
30

Hitpoints 396 (max every level)
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