Sorry, I don't do names. This is my first Epic Char post here.. but feel free to rip this design apart. It's prolly been done before.. but oh well. This is a cleric dual-wielding kamas and has epic dodge. Basic stuff here, high ab, high ac, lots of attacks, sneak attack, epic dodge, yay!

So anyway..

It's a human.

Stats:

Strength: 12
Dexterity: 16(26)
Constitution: 12
Wisdom: 16(20)
Intelligence: 10
Cha: 8

3 points into wis and 7 into dex and got 3 great dex and 1 great wis as well.

Start off cleric with travel and trickery domains.. pretty standard.

Cleric:

Level 1: extend spell and ambidexterity
Level 3: Weapon Finesse
Level 4: wis(17)
Level 6: Two-weapon Fighting
Level 8: wis(18)
Level 9: Maximize Spell
Level 12: wis(19) and Improved 2-weap ftg
Level 15: Weapon prof: exotic
Level 16: dex(17)
Level 18: Blindfight
Level 20: dex(18)

Rogue:

Level 21: Weap Foc: Kama
Level 24: dex(19) and Epic Weap Foc: Kama
Level 27: Great Dex I(20)
Level 28: dex(21)
Level 30: Great Dex II(22) and Improved Evasion*

Cleric:

Level 32: dex(23)
Level 33: Great dex III(24)
Level 34: Armor skin*
Level 36: dex(25)
Level 37: Great Wis I(20)* and max out spellcraft

Rogue:

Level 38: Max out tumble
Level 39: Defensive roll* and EPIC DODGE This is where you can choose some rog skills if you want. You'll have 80 something points to work with.

Monk:

Level 40: dex(26) You can take discipline here if you choose not to take 2 rog skills.

* = bonus feat



Skill points go into conc, spellcraft, tumble, and you can take 2-3 rog skills, or dump discipline on the monk lvl.

BAB = 25
Max HP = 334
Naked:

AC=33
Saves=23,24,27 +8 from 40 ranks in SC.

With common kamas ab = 34 dual-wielding.

If you give him some +5 items and stat buffs he can easily reach over 70 ac. AB with +5 kamas reaches 60 or so. Add in 7d6 sneak and you can beat the crap out of anything you can flank. Not much will hit you with your high ac, 50% conceal, and EPIC DODGE ..heh.

Don't have much time to put everything in exact so.. as I said rip it apart, do whatever..

edit: Oh, but one thing.. please don't bother with the pvp crap. I understand a mage will own me and another cleric too.. oh well?

Edited By DeathScytheDuo on 10/08/04 17:07

Quote: Posted 10/08/04 17:03:43 (GMT) -- DeathScytheDuo

Sorry, I don't do names. This is my first Epic Char post here.. but feel free to rip this design apart. It's prolly been done before.. but oh well. This is a cleric dual-wielding kamas and has epic dodge. Basic stuff here, high ab, high ac, lots of attacks, sneak attack, epic dodge, yay!

So anyway..

It's a human.

Stats:

Strength: 12
Dexterity: 16(26)
Constitution: 12
Wisdom: 16(20)
Intelligence: 10
Cha: 8

3 points into wis and 7 into dex and got 3 great dex and 1 great wis as well.

Start off cleric with travel and trickery domains.. pretty standard.

Cleric:

Level 1: extend spell and ambidexterity
Level 3: Weapon Finesse
Level 4: wis(17)
Level 6: Two-weapon Fighting
Level 8: wis(18)
Level 9: Maximize Spell
Level 12: wis(19) and Improved 2-weap ftg
Level 15: Weapon prof: exotic
Level 16: dex(17)
Level 18: Blindfight
Level 20: dex(18)

Rogue:

Level 21: Weap Foc: Kama
Level 24: dex(19) and Epic Weap Foc: Kama
Level 27: Great Dex I(20)
Level 28: dex(21)
Level 30: Great Dex II(22) and Improved Evasion*

Cleric:

Level 32: dex(23)
Level 33: Great dex III(24)
Level 34: Armor skin*
Level 36: dex(25)
Level 37: Great Wis I(20)* and max out spellcraft

Rogue:

Level 38: Max out tumble
Level 39: Defensive roll* and EPIC DODGE This is where you can choose some rog skills if you want. You'll have 80 something points to work with.

Monk:

Level 40: dex(26) You can take discipline here if you choose not to take 2 rog skills.

* = bonus feat



Skill points go into conc, spellcraft, tumble, and you can take 2-3 rog skills, or dump discipline on the monk lvl.

BAB = 25
Max HP = 334
Naked:

AC=33
Saves=23,24,27 +8 from 40 ranks in SC.

With common kamas ab = 34 dual-wielding.

If you give him some +5 items and stat buffs he can easily reach over 70 ac. AB with +5 kamas reaches 60 or so. Add in 7d6 sneak and you can beat the crap out of anything you can flank. Not much will hit you with your high ac, 50% conceal, and EPIC DODGE ..heh.

Don't have much time to put everything in exact so.. as I said rip it apart, do whatever..

edit: Oh, but one thing.. please don't bother with the pvp crap. I understand a mage will own me and another cleric too.. oh well?

First of all, I would start as a Rogue or Monk rather than a Cleric. Reason: you will get more skill credits.

Second, you may want to consider taking more levels of Monk. Reason: At Monk lvl 6 you get Knockdown and Improved Knockdown. You also get +1 AC for every five Monk levels you take up to lvl 20, so 6 Monk levels would get you +1 AC as well. It's also worth considering that since Monk is your only class that gets Discipline as a class skill, you will probably want to take a late Monk level so that you can boost your Discipline.

Also, you don't need to take Exotic Weapon Prof., as Monks can use Kamas without this feat (you won't want to wait to 40 to take your last Monk level, UNLESS you are creating the character at lvl 40, in which case he is probably for PvP, which I think you said to forget about). You also probably don't need Maximize spell; the only Metamagic feat I ever use with a Cleric is Extend Spell.

That said, if you DO decide to do PvP, you may want to consider getting Silent Spell, or even Auto-Silent Spell, so that you can cast Silence on yourself and go screw with other casters. Sorcs may still do OK against you even if you use this tactic, because they don't have to worry about memorizing spells, but Wizards, Druids, and many other Clerics will find this to be a b!tch.
Quote: Posted 10/08/04 23:20:48 (GMT) -- CrispyCritter

First of all, I would start as a Rogue or Monk rather than a Cleric. Reason: you will get more skill credits.


I am almost positive that taking a rog lvl will lower BAB and lower my ab even with divine power. Do I really need more skill points?

Quote: Posted 10/08/04 23:20:48 (GMT) -- CrispyCritter

Second, you may want to consider taking more levels of Monk. Reason: At Monk lvl 6 you get Knockdown and Improved Knockdown. You also get +1 AC for every five Monk levels you take up to lvl 20, so 6 Monk levels would get you +1 AC as well. It's also worth considering that since Monk is your only class that gets Discipline as a class skill, you will probably want to take a late Monk level so that you can boost your Discipline.


Consider the xp penalty. Even as a human I can't take 3 classes. The monk lvl is at the end to pump discipline.. if you want. I want this design to be playable and good at the same time. Also, if I can't get epic dodge, there will be no point. I am starved for feats as it is and taking less cleric lvls will eliminate the 2 bonus feats armor skin and great wis which end up giving me 3 extra ac. Why does everyone love imp KD? Hmm.. I guess is because we are assuming it works.. I am used to everyone having imm to KD and monsters either being immune or having 100 discipline. Just the mod I play on.. I can see how KD would be useful but I don't think I can manage it.

Quote: Posted 10/08/04 23:20:48 (GMT) -- CrispyCritter

Also, you don't need to take Exotic Weapon Prof., as Monks can use Kamas without this feat (you won't want to wait to 40 to take your last Monk level, UNLESS you are creating the character at lvl 40, in which case he is probably for PvP, which I think you said to forget about). You also probably don't need Maximize spell; the only Metamagic feat I ever use with a Cleric is Extend Spell.


I wish I didn't have to take it but I can't have an xp penalty and I can't lower my ab by one... but hmm.. Maybe what you are getting at is that I take an early lvl of monk, won't have to take weap: exotic and can instead take epic prowess.. but how does that help? Still gets that dread xp penalty.

What's wrong with maximizing bulls, owls, and endurance?

Quote: Posted 10/08/04 23:20:48 (GMT) -- CrispyCritter

That said, if you DO decide to do PvP, you may want to consider getting Silent Spell, or even Auto-Silent Spell, so that you can cast Silence on yourself and go screw with other casters. Sorcs may still do OK against you even if you use this tactic, because they don't have to worry about memorizing spells, but Wizards, Druids, and many other Clerics will find this to be a b!tch.


To stay true to this design, I must be a cleric and have epic dodge. I don't HAVE to dual-wield kamas but I figured with the monk lvl for wisdom bonus to ac I would go ahead and take the extra attacks as well.

There is a problem with the silence spell, I believe. I think a lesser dispel can dispel it. Maybe this is just a problem on the mod I play but I have a lvl 25 cleric who constantly loses battletide and silence against any form of dispel.. and this is with a dispel fix(correct caster lvl).

Thank you for taking the time to help. as I learned myself there are a lot of epic dodging cleric/monk/rogues around, I like my own better, but hey, they all work. I would definately go for more monk levels and try to squeeze som other classes in pre-epic for saves. how does C12/R4/M4 pre-epic sound? these builds can be tweaked to do different things, but maxing out saves/AB is advisable.

have fun.