I am building a "reincarnation" character for the PW I play on. I wanted a monk/cleric combo, more heavy on the cleric, and Lawful Good elf.

With these *reincarnations* you get some bonuses which I have in brackets, below.

I know this needs alot of help probably as it is my first attempt. These are naked stats.


23-cleric/13-monk/4-fighter

Lawful Good-Elf

Base

Str 14
Dex 16 (+2)=18
Con 13
Int 10
Wis 15
Chr 8

Final


Str 15
Dex 18 (+2)= 20
Con 13
Int 13
Wis 20
Chr 8

HP= 315
AC- Base 27 (option: +8ac & 50% concealment) = 35 base AC

----------------OR option 2-----------------

Unarmed

AB- Base 29+26+23+20+17 (option: with an additional +8ab Epic Monkspeed, darkfire 1d6Divine Damage)

Dam-1-12 +2 (Crit 20/ x2)

Fort 27
Ref 23
Will 28
Base Attack 25
Domain Trickery & Travel
Spell Resist 22

1-3 Monk
4 Fighter
5-10 Cleric

Feats- Mobility, Weapon Focus-Kama, 2weapon fighting,Ambidex, (plus innate monk,cleric fighter)

11-14 Cleric
15-18 Monk
19 Fighter
20 Cleric

Feats- Weapon Finesse, Improved 2 weapon, Powerattack, Great Cleave

21-24 Cleric
25-27 Monk
28 Fighter
29-30 Cleric

Feats- Armor Skin, Extend Spell, Spring Attack, Epic Weapon Focus

31-32 Cleric
33-35 Monk
36 Fighter
37-39 Cleric
40 Monk

Feats Expertise, Whirlwind, Improv Crit, Epic Toughness, Great Wisdom, Great Ki +1

Concentration 38
Discipline 32
Hide 19
Move Silently 19
Spellcraft 21
Tumble 24


I was going to make level 40 cleric but then with some experimentation I realized I could get Improved Ki.

Ok feel free to give me hints on where/what to change/improve.

Thanks
Werithe

Edited By Cinnabar Din on 02/27/08 20:27

oops... sorry I forgot to put stats in the Title. Meant to, must of had a lapse.
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Quote: Posted 10/25/04 05:48:50 (GMT) -- Werithe
Base

Str 14
Dex 16 (+2)=18
Con 13
Int 10
Wis 15
Chr 8

Final

Str 15
Dex 18 (+2)= 20
Con 13
Int 13
Wis 20
Chr 8
The biggest area of waste you have is odd numbered stats. I can understand wanting the 13 intelligence for expertise and whirlwind, but they really could be left out of the build. Also start with the INT at 13 or 14 and CON at 10 (by the way is the value listed including the -2 elves get?). I'm not seeing why you went to 15 STR. I may be missiong a feat, but that point could of brought you to 14 CON which results in 40 more HP.

Is there a reason you picked elf for a race? Starting as a human can net you almost the saem stats to begin with, as well as net you more skills and the 1st level bonus feat.
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Click Here Mostly I picked elf because the guild I am in within the PW is elven... I was half-elf so which didnt work out well so I went 100% elf. I understand now about the stats. I haven't started in-game as I am only using the mod to test it. The guild is low on clerics and I wanted to add more cleric than monk but one that can kick some butt. I am looking at the Battle Priestess and considering the input there. I was going for 12 monk for Diamond Soul. My orginal thought was 12monk /24cleric /4fighter.

The diety gives me a choice of +2 to any stat plus a progression of adding AB or AC with bonuses that I mentioned. So I am trying to take that into account.

Thanks for your input..and any other words of wisdom as I am a total newb with this but am also totally addicted to it too

Weri
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Be the change you want to see in the world ---Ghandi One thought to ponder about is instead of using kamas and having a so-so ab, you could leave your dex low and pump up your wis, drop all the kama, dual-wielding feats and pick up a Longbow using the Zen Archery feat instead - you will have a better ab with a bow in this case than using kamas with weap finesse.
Get Weap focus/specialization in Longbow.
This will give you more spell slots, and your ac will not change as you are a monk. Further if my belief is right, ac from Wis bonus is not compromised when being flat-footed. Only trade off will be that your Reflex saves will be lower.
Quote: Posted 10/25/04 17:22:06 (GMT) -- Emrill

The biggest area of waste you have is odd numbered stats. I can understand wanting the 13 intelligence for expertise and whirlwind, but they really could be left out of the build. Also start with the INT at 13 or 14 and CON at 10 (by the way is the value listed including the -2 elves get?). I'm not seeing why you went to 15 STR. I may be missiong a feat, but that point could of brought you to 14 CON which results in 40 more HP.

(Yes, it includes the -2 elves get.) 40 more HP sounds like a very good idea too. So with your suggestions in mind I am presently testing 2 different strageties:
Base

Str 12
Dex 16 (+2 from reincarnation bonus)= 18
Con 12
Int 12
Wis 16
Chr 8

and

Base

Str 12
Dex 14 (+2)=16
Con 12
Int 14 (for +2 modifier)
Wis 16
Chr 8

I realized I am not exactly impressed with expertise or whirlwind attack. You are right, I can do without it.

Quote: Posted 10/25/04 20:28:48 (GMT) -- Junkie615

One thought to ponder about is instead of using kamas and having a so-so ab, you could leave your dex low and pump up your wis, drop all the kama, dual-wielding feats and pick up a Longbow using the Zen Archery feat instead - you will have a better ab with a bow in this case than using kamas with weap finesse.
Get Weap focus/specialization in Longbow.
This will give you more spell slots, and your ac will not change as you are a monk. Further if my belief is right, ac from Wis bonus is not compromised when being flat-footed. Only trade off will be that your Reflex saves will be lower.

Yes I considered that if their weren't so many bloody archers in this guild as it is. Also I love either fighting unarmed (love the kicks to the head) or with kamas with darkfire and that extra attack.

Ok off to test the next 2 ideas. Thanks... anymore thoughts are welcome but I am going to submit/start this build in-world this evening. I hope.

Weri
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Be the change you want to see in the world ---Ghandi Starting-------------Finishing
Str 12..............14
Dex (14+2)16........(17+2)19
Con 12..............14
Wis 16..............20
Int 14
Cha 8

HP- 361
AC 27
AB is the same
Reflex dropped by 1
Concen-45
Discp - 32
Heal - 27
Hide & Move Silently - 28
Spellcraft 34
Tumble 28

Now the other one that I mentioned above... I tried I used a few different feats and ended with less skills, but +1 AC, +14hp and added 1 to my overall AB. (30 27 24 21 18) and also changed the order in which I took the classes.
Str 12 ----> 14
Dex 16 --->19 (this includes the PW's +2 bonus for reinc)
Con 12 --->14
Int 12
Wis 16 ---->22

I suppose I can bang off one Wis for intell bonuses too. Does the order I do the classes make a difference ? It would be nice to combine both the better skills with the better stats.

Any other improvements ?

Weri

Edited By Werithe on 10/25/04 23:52