I can't remember exactly how I did this because once I got in-game I changed a few things. I think this is the order but I could have messed it up a bit as I never saved my last few levels to local vault and server lost all characters.
Domain Trickery and Healing
Str 13-->14 Dex 16-->18 Con 12-->14 Int 13 Wis 15-->20 Char 8
Cleric Levels Skills : Concentration, Spellcraft (some to healing)
Monk Skills rimarily to Tumble a few can be used for Discipline
Now I these are from Epic Character Maker but not sure if this is what I would have done in game. Levels 31-40 2-cleric 8-fighter Feats:Weapon Specialization, Epic Weapon Spec, Epic Toughness I, II, & II, Disarm, Imp Disarm.
Final-naked stats HP 411 AC 26
Attack bonuse 30/27/24/21/18 1-8+ 2(crit 20/x2)
Fort 28 Reflex 23 Will 28 Base Attack 25
This is my first attempt, redone but still my first. Feel free to make improvements and suggestions. It could go 22 cleric for epic cleric and dragon spell with 25 spellcraft.
Edited By Werithe on 11/16/04 00:06
My first reaction would be to think that the stats are wrong. Wisdom needs more boost, dex and con less, as an example. Alternatively you could be a more strength related buffing cleric if you took Strength Domain instead of Healing.
Elf means (more) XP penalties and it's difficult to see what the benefits are in this build.
No Epic Spells makes me wonder why 20 levels in Cleric. I think you either have to go more Cleric or less. Three possibilities that get rid of XP penalties (as a human) are: C18/Fi16/Mo6 C28/Fi6/Mo6 C23/Fi8/Mo9
I never did get a chance to finish it online, although I did play with it a bit in epic character maker. I am a total noob to this game as I just bought it back in Sept.
The reason I chose elf was because of this PW I have been playing on. It was suppose to be built to the rp but I tried to make it effective. I was debating on taking it to epic spell level as I could have gotten the dragon spell with 25 spellcraft. Unfortunately the server had a mishap and everything got wiped so I had only gotten her to level 27. I did have the option of going 24 cleric with it but I hadn't made that final decision.
Thanks for the ideas bout the wis. I am trying one now unarmed, but with more monk. I don't think I care for it but was trying to get enough monk to take Spell Resistance I-III. Maybe I need to think of another elven cleric mix with some fighting power for this rp.
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If you want to play Elf then you really need a build that makes use of Dex. I'd suggest thinking about an Arcane Archer or Rogue based build.
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Quote: Posted 11/18/04 05:02:48 (GMT) -- Emrill
There is no law saying he needs to be one of those classes. No need to try and tell peopel to constrain character designs within certain races. It only diminishes creativity.
Did I say there was a law? I don't think so. I think there should be a law banning "peopel" who are called Emirll.
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If you want to play Elf then you really need a build that makes use of Dex. I'd suggest thinking about an Arcane Archer or Rogue based build.
I commented on the fact you told him he should completely pick another class instead of what he presented. YOUR WORDS. Also if you feel like making personal attacks please refrain from doing it here. It does not belong on this or any Bioware forum. _________________ Come visit the Epic Builders Guild for all the character info you could ever want or need: Click Here
Thorsson64, consider this your first warning.
NO, I do mean NO, personal attacks on anyone in the guild!
I do not want same thing to happen as the last time. However, you do have few chances. But, after that, I will take action, ie: kicking you out of the guild.
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I don't know how you constru ethat as a personal attack. So ban me. No loss on my part.
To quote you,
Quote: I think there should be a law banning "peopel" who are called Emirll.
It is viewed as personal attack because you made a remark about people that are named Emrill and said that there should be a law banning people with that name. Therefore, it is personal attack.
I have no reason to kick you out right now. Just make sure that you don't start flame wars, making personal attacks on certain individuals and so on. You will be fine.
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Sounded like a joke, but I could be wrong..
#1 I am a she, not a he. #2 I like playing an elf and I want to play an elf who happens to be a monk/cleric. I would like to come up with a more effective monk build for elves. This was my first attempt and I will have a version #2 if I can get ***constructive** criticism.
I play on a PW in an elven guild and we have more than enough archers, druids, and sorcerers. I have made another 24cleric/10fighter/6monk build that is alright. The one above is from what I did from memory before the server lost it and I didn't save how I did it.
I will post the new version later. I would like ideas on a version maybe with or without cleric. I intend on keeping my elven monk but having HER eventually evolve into another version of monk.
Nuff said.. _________________ Be the change you want to see in the world ---Ghandi
6 Monk is very efficient, as you get Wis AC bonus, evasion and IKD, plus some speed, 1 bonus to AC and a bonus to saves. This level of Monk tends to suggest a melee build, and Clerics can also make good melee fighters due to their excellent buffs.
I'd suggest taking the Strength and Trickery (for Improved Invisibility) domains. While Fighter seems an obvious choice to add to this mix, an alternative is CoT, which could mesh with the Cha needed for Turning.
There is also Ranger, getting the "free" TWF feats and dual-wielding kamas.
Race-wise, as an Elf you can take a decent starting Dex cheaply, and the Monk levels mean wearing no armor, so this is not a disaster. You could even go Cleric/Monk/Rogue to go for a Cleric with Epic Dodge.
Quote: Posted 11/20/04 21:00:02 (GMT) -- Werithe
#1 I am a she, not a he. #2 I like playing an elf and I want to play an elf who happens to be a monk/cleric. I would like to come up with a more effective monk build for elves. This was my first attempt and I will have a version #2 if I can get ***constructive** criticism.
I play on a PW in an elven guild and we have more than enough archers, druids, and sorcerers. I have made another 24cleric/10fighter/6monk build that is alright. The one above is from what I did from memory before the server lost it and I didn't save how I did it.
I will post the new version later. I would like ideas on a version maybe with or without cleric. I intend on keeping my elven monk but having HER eventually evolve into another version of monk.
Nuff said..
Goode Lady Werithe
Does your RP/Guild permit you to be half-elven? Or must you be full elf?
If Half-Elven, you have a better chance of avoiding experience penalties. For instance, if you went Monk 6/Cleric X/CoT Y (credit to Thorsson64 for the CoT suggestion) you would not have an experience penalty for your half-elven character. If you must be full elf then you could go Monk/Cleric/CoT and keep the monk and cleric levels within one level to avoid the penalty.
Or have you looked at Monk/Cleric/WeaponMaster, specializing in Kamas? Perhaps Monk 6/Cleric 19/WM 15?
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Or have you looked at Monk/Cleric/WeaponMaster, specializing in Kamas? Perhaps Monk 6/Cleric 19/WM 15?
I don't have the manual at the hand right now... working from my memory.
Taking more than 13 levels of WM is not necessary. I don't think WM get anything extra after 13th level. So you can try doing more monk levels, you can get more free feats by taking two more monk levels. So try Monk 8/Cleric 19/ WM 13, or... you can try this one, Monk 9/ Cleric 18/ WM 13. Monk get monk feat at 9th level I think.
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The only thing after level 10 WM gets is the ability to pick up a second weapon of choice on one of the bonus feat levels (13,16,19 etc.) and a +1 to hit with a weapon of choice every 5 levels (15,20,25, etc.). _________________ Come visit the Epic Builders Guild for all the character info you could ever want or need: Click Here
Quote: Posted 11/21/04 08:46:46 (GMT) -- Emrill
The only thing after level 10 WM gets is the ability to pick up a second weapon of choice on one of the bonus feat levels (13,16,19 etc.) and a +1 to hit with a weapon of choice every 5 levels (15,20,25, etc.).
At 13th level, you don't need to go past that. Once you get to level 13, you will get Epic Weapon of Choice I think. But if you only need to focus on one type of weapon, then it is not necessary to go past that amount.
Just my opinion. If one weapon is only needed, that is fine. But if you want to do more than one weapon of choice, then you can do it like that. The reason for that is so you can maximize the use of something, such as Monk's speed, free feats, and so on. As for Cleric, by taking more levels in that, you would be able to go epic cleric and get some epic feat related to the class.
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Or have you looked at Monk/Cleric/WeaponMaster, specializing in Kamas? Perhaps Monk 6/Cleric 19/WM 15?
I don't have the manual at the hand right now... working from my memory.
Taking more than 13 levels of WM is not necessary. I don't think WM get anything extra after 13th level. So you can try doing more monk levels, you can get more free feats by taking two more monk levels. So try Monk 8/Cleric 19/ WM 13, or... you can try this one, Monk 9/ Cleric 18/ WM 13. Monk get monk feat at 9th level I think.
Anuis
Yes, my WM level suggestion was off. And I agree that Monk 9 is a good multiclass level. However, I think WM's get some sort of bonus every 3 levels (I can't remember what it is? but don't you see a lot of WM's with 25 levels of WM?
Kaliban
Actually WMs get a bonus feat every three levels after 10, and also get +1 to attack rolls made with Weapon(s) of Choice on those levels. I know the manual states it's every 5 levels, but it's wrong, it's every three. WM level 10 is meant to give +1 to attack with Weapon of Choice as well, but it didn't in 1.62, and I haven't actually tried it in 1.64.
Investing 6 feats into qualifying for a class that you're only going to take 7 levels in can be a bit of a waste; but if you take 25 levels of WM you also get +5 to attack (with Weapon of Choice) and 5 epic bonus feats. So there is a point to taking more WM levels than just seven.
Herbie is correct. I have played many wep masters. Bonus feat is every 3rd level past 10, as well as +1 ab every 3rd level after 10. I generally try to get at least 19 wep master lvls at the minimum, as I also hate "wasting" all of those feats for just 7 or 10 lvls. So ideally you want either 19, 22, 25, or 28 wep master lvls. _________________ If everyone is thinking alike, then someone is failing to think.
Actually WMs get a bonus feat every three levels after 10, and also get +1 to attack rolls made with Weapon(s) of Choice on those levels. I know the manual states it's every 5 levels, but it's wrong, it's every three. WM level 10 is meant to give +1 to attack with Weapon of Choice as well, but it didn't in 1.62, and I haven't actually tried it in 1.64.
Investing 6 feats into qualifying for a class that you're only going to take 7 levels in can be a bit of a waste; but if you take 25 levels of WM you also get +5 to attack (with Weapon of Choice) and 5 epic bonus feats. So there is a point to taking more WM levels than just seven.
Interesting, I did not know about that. I guess the grimoire is wrong(by the way, I just checked the vault, it has been updated... going to check it out and see if Lord Xyphus has fixed some of the errors on it).
With that in factor, instead of doing the usual 13 levels. And since you are not relying on CHA which basically is what Cleric relies on... You can try changing around the class.
Something like this... Cleric 9/ Weapon Master 25/ Monk 6
However, if you want to get Improved Evasion, invest three more points into Monk levels from Cleric levels. It will give you Cleric 6/ Weapon Master 25/ Monk 9.
But if you don't care about that feat or about Cleric as long you get approriate buffs, more than 90% of the domains spells require you to be level 5 or less to get all types of spell under that domain.
Anyway... back to that. If you don't mind having lower cleric and monk levels, try this instead. Cleirc 6/ Weapon Master 28/ Monk 6.
Doing that, it would give you another +1 to weapon of choice(s). If I am wrong about that, please correct me then.
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Herbie Shimmer, by the way... This kind of stuff should be posted in the Information about Classes.
It would be great if you did some post about weapon master in there.
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Actually WMs get a bonus feat every three levels after 10, and also get +1 to attack rolls made with Weapon(s) of Choice on those levels. I know the manual states it's every 5 levels, but it's wrong, it's every three. WM level 10 is meant to give +1 to attack with Weapon of Choice as well, but it didn't in 1.62, and I haven't actually tried it in 1.64.
Investing 6 feats into qualifying for a class that you're only going to take 7 levels in can be a bit of a waste; but if you take 25 levels of WM you also get +5 to attack (with Weapon of Choice) and 5 epic bonus feats. So there is a point to taking more WM levels than just seven.
Herbie to the rescue! I knew there was a reason I have made WM 25's before, but I couldn't remember why.
Thanks! Kaliban.
Thanks for all the insight guys. Someone had suggested going more elf for the dex, but failed to mention the exp penalties and where they lie.
The PW offers reincarnations, and she is getting her first one so she will be getting an additonal boost +2 to dex. Perhaps in her next reincarnation I can go back to half-elf. There is a particular reinc that focuses on monk 3rd-6th reinc. I am presently playing her now with a focus on cleric, although I eventually do want to focus more on a monk. (perhaps with spell resist and dam resist). In-game she is to level 18 and here I have sent her to level 40 via Char. Builder. This is how I think I want to continue with her build I will post this separately if you think I should. Suggestions are welcome, you guys are great.
Elf LG-female (of course) 23cleric/11fighter/6monk Str 13 ---> 13 Dex 16+2--> 22 Con 12----> 13 (she needed some more hps) Int 13----> 13 Wis 15----> 21
Levels 1-10 6-cleric/2-monk/2-fighter dodge,weapon finesse,mobility, power attack, cleave, great cleave, weapon focus-unarmed,
Level 31-40 (7-cleric/3-fighter) Epic Tough I, Greater Spell Penetration, Epic Spell-Dragon knight, Epic Spell Penetration (these are all tentative)
Unbuffed/naked stats (w/o including the +2dex from reinc) 325/hps 26/AC AB- 34/31/28/25/22 (add +1 for extra 2 dex) Dam- 1-8+7(Crit 19-20/2) F-26 R-24 W-28 Base Attack 25
Buffed but naked 428/hps 29/AC 48/45/42/39/36 (add +1 for extra 2 dex) 1-8+10(crit 19-20/2)
Now she already has a pair of +6ab gloves at level 18. There are plenty of items to max an additional 12 dex and wis. She has epic spell, 5+ 9level spell slots. Foregranted the AB could be better as well as the hps. She is not for PvP. She is one that can assist the group.
I tried playing around with WM in the builder with a half elf and it didnt strike me as too effective. All 9 monk gives me is improved evasion.
Perhaps by the 4th or 5th reinc I will just go all out human. I can put it into the rp. Eventually I want to come up with something using monk's spell resistances to take down a few mages. Just a thought
Edited By Werithe on 11/22/04 23:21
Quote: Posted 11/22/04 23:17:56 (GMT) -- Werithe
[snip] I am presently playing her now with a focus on cleric, [snip]
If you are doing focus on Cleric, it is recommended that you increase CHA as well. Certain cleric's spells and all domains depends on the CHA, the higher CHA modifier, the stronger the turning, domains and so on, would be. That includes the buffs as well.
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Hi Werithe,
I'm a big fan of elves as well. My first elven cleric was a pure cleric, 40 levels, maxed wisdom and feats focused on metamagic feats. My second was a cleric rogue shadowdancer. He was lots of fun.
I'm just polishing a new build atm that sounds similar to yours, and that is a Cleric Rogue Monk. It's a hard build to pull off because of no prc, xp penalties and low feat numbers. However there is such a synergy between these 3 classes. From memory my final build was something like M12/R13/C15. You can avoid xp penalties until the last few levels if you keep the classes even. Stats raises mostly on dex, with just enough wis to cast 8th level spells by the end (18 wis). Dual weild kamas, epic dodge, sneak attacks, Trickery domain (for impr invis) and Animal (for dex buff).
Cleric spells on this build are mainly used for buffs, particularly Divine Power and Divine Favor. You get lots of attacks, sneak and divine damage, improved evation, improved knockdown and you can run pretty fast.
Edited By Zyn248 on 11/23/04 05:02
Quote: Posted 11/23/04 00:16:22 (GMT) -- Anuis If you are doing focus on Cleric, it is recommended that you increase CHA as well. Certain cleric's spells and all domains depends on the CHA, the higher CHA modifier, the stronger the turning, domains and so on, would be. That includes the buffs as well.
Anuis
I kept domains of healing and trickery because of low CHA. I rarely have need of turning (except in early levels). But, I need more for buffs ?
Perhaps in her next incarnation, since I already will keep the extra stats in dex, I can bring the CHA up. Then animal and trickery would be good ideas for domains.
Thanks
Edited By Werithe on 11/23/04 13:44
A dex based elven finesse monk with a high listen and enough levels of pally to cast holysword can be a way effective mage-killer in my experience. Not to mention being able to sniff out the shadowdancers with active search.
Quote: Con 12----> 13 (she needed some more hps)
That doesn't get any more HPs directly, but maybe 50% chance of more when casting Endurance (if you don't reach max of +12 increase).
A dex based elven finesse monk with a high listen and enough levels of pally to cast holysword can be a way effective mage-killer in my experience. Not to mention being able to sniff out the shadowdancers with active search.
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Edited By Werithe on 11/24/04 03:37
zyn and delt on the same thread? you KNOW this is worth looking at.
Author... Werithe
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Ok, so I am fairly naive here but, my question is: How does one figure out where and how much penalties you have in a certain multi-class build ? What about race uncharacateristic builds ? And what is the most effective way to build around them ?
rimarily to Tumble a few can be used for Discipline
I think there should be a law banning "peopel" who are called Emirll.
Not to mention being able to sniff out the shadowdancers with active search.