This is the second version of the Ugly Fastfingers, made from suggestions of other players. I kept the essence of the first build: a melee fighter with rogue skills and able to use spells. Once again I wasnt able to raise some rogue skills (like open locks, set/disarm traps, spot), in order to keep the necessary fighting skills.
IMPROVEMENTS FROM LAST VERSION: - faster - better AC - better HP - slightly better damage - corrected some silly mistakes
Character Progress: Level Class Skills Feat 1- Monk 4 discipline/4 hide/4 move silently/4 trumble Dodge/Ambidexterity 2- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t * 3- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t Weapon Focus(unarmed) 4- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t 5- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t 6- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t Weapon Finesse 7- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t 8- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t 9- Fighter 1d Weapon Focus(kama)/Two Weapon Fighting 10- Monk 1d/2h/2m/2t 11- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t 12- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t Improved Two Weapon Fighting 13- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t 14- Fighter 1d Blind Fight 15- Fighter 1d Toughness 16- Monk 1d/3h/3m/3t 17- Fighter 1d Weapon Specialization(unarmed) 18- Fighter 1d Weapon Specialization(kama) 19- Monk 1d/3h/3m/3t 20- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t 21- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t Epic Weapon Focus(unarmed) 22- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t 23- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t 24- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t Epic Weapon Focus(kama) 25- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t 26- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t 27- Fighter 1d Epic Weapon Specialization(unarmed)/Epic Weapon Specialization(kama) 28- Monk 1d/2h/2m/2t 29- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t 30- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t Great Dextery I 31- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t Armor Skin 32- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t 33- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t Great Dextery II 34- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t 35- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t 36- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t Great Dextery III/Epic Toughness I ** 37- Monk 1d/1h/1m/1t 38- Monk 39- Rogue 42 pick pocketing/42 use magic device Great Dextery IV 40- Monk 3d/3t Observations: - All the attributes points should be spent on Dextery, thats why I though unnecessary to put DEX on every 4 levels. -* d=discipline, h=hide, m=move silently, t=trumble -** Epic Toughness isnt essential for the build, but from the four epic monk feats available thats the one I took as the most important.
Naked Stats: AC: 37 HP: 354 (no rerrols if maximized would be higher) AB(unarmed): +40/+37/+34/+31/+28/+25 (1-20 +7) AB(mundane kamas): +38/+35/+32/+29/+26/+23 +38/+35 (1-6 +7) fortitude: 24 reflex: 31 will: 20 SR: 43
Equipped with standard NWN items: AC: 73 AB(unarmed): +45/+42/+39/+36/+33/+30 AB(kamas): +51/+48/+45/+42/+39/+36 +51/+48 (1-6 +7 +1d6 +8) fortitude: 34 reflex: 36
Equipped and buffed I got an AC of 77, 441 HPs and a +60/+57/+54/+51/+48/+45 +60/+57 AB with 1-6 +10 physical +1d6 acid +8 slashing +2 magical damage for a very short time. But isnt hard to keep +57 AB for a long time with buffs.
PROS OF UGLY: - Ugly is specialized on two kinds of damage ( slashing and bludgeoning) using quick slosts, his enemies defenses are useless - 8 attacks per round - great AC (equipped can get 70+) - has 50% concealment (from empty body or scroll) with this + his AC = it will be a hard time to hit Ugly - fast as the wind even if they can see Ugly, they cant get him - has access to all items (because of use magic device) - can use spells the buffs are very helpful to Ugly - can hide and move silently - has 33 stunning fists a day - easy to play from the beginning - UGLY LIKES PICK POCKET!
CONS OF UGLY: - low attack bonus and damage (but both can get higher with buffs) - not an high HP - low will and average fortitude - for a real thief., misses the lack of open locks, set/disarm traps and spot
Special thanks to: CrispyCritter Kaliban99 Stravinsky00
Feel free to comment.
Edited By griphook on 06/04/05 17:35
Ive been thinking on some small changes to this building:
- picking 2 point from STR and putting it on CON - removing Blind Fight and Toughness for Improved Critical(unarmed) and (kama)
What do you think?
NOTE: When I tested the equipped stats and forgot to use a monk magical glove, so, probably, the AB can get higher.
Edited By cakerj on 05/07/05 19:24
OMG, no coments at all? Not even a single stupid person to post something like this:΄Bad build.`
Come on, guys, post something.
I'd drop armour skin and take epic prowess instead.
Or drop epic toughness 1 for epic prowess.. 20HP doesn't do THAT much..
Or drop epic toughness 1 for epic prowess.. 20HP doesn't do THAT much..
-DaMouse
Theres no way to do that, because I took Armor Skin as a bonus epic feat (from the very restricted list).
Also, theres no way to change Armor Skin for Epic Prowess because of the same reason.
How are you casting spells when you dont have any caster class in the build. you have rogue for using scrolls with UMD, but you have no spells. So when you say you are buffed, in what way do you mean?
Scrolls perhaps?
btw.. this monk is so fast when he runs there is no way you can control him in tight spaces without running into walls or past doorways.
My computer couldnt keep up with the character he moves so fast...lol.
Not bad, but I find that fous on two different weapons is a waste.
The fact that it specializes in 2 different types of damage is the only PRO i see in this build
The ONLY pro???? You must be kidding.
I dont think its a waste because some servers have the great swordsman belt (and the other two) - that give a good damage reduction for one type of damage. On this servers, these belts are useless, since you can switch the type of damage as fast as you want by the use of quickslots.
It is just worthless on servers that have items that give protection to all types of damage.
Honestly...I'm not sure I see the point of a dex focused build that doesn't have very good crit ranges, doesn't have sneak damage, doesn't have extremely high AB, and doesn't get epic dodge or self concealment. I mean, you have very high AC with "standard NWN items", but a fighter type, especially weapon master, would probably have high enough AB to hit you with the same level of items, and a caster would make mincemeat of you without you really being able to do much. It just seems like it wouldn't be that effective in the end. Hrm...I think when I get home from work I'll level it up and see how it plays out, and then try the old Prismatic Dragon test.
Steve
Have to agree with Steve on this. However, if this is more for a RP server, then I see no harm.
Speaking of prismatic dragons, which mod leveller do you use that has that guy? _________________ "Me fail English? That's unpossible." ---Ralph Wiggum
Aye, the prismatic dragon test is a good one, BUT its an awful test for sneak damage based characters and most other dex builds.
Have to agree with Steve on this. However, if this is more for a RP server, then I see no harm.
Speaking of prismatic dragons, which mod leveller do you use that has that guy?
Novice to Epic mod - see link in my sig (if it still works on new nwvault)
Kaliban
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Edited By Kaliban99 on 05/11/05 21:56
Ah, novice to epic mod. I've been using sWard's Training camp, among others. Not crazy about any of them. But it get's the job done. A good variety of creatures. Levels up fairly quick.
Thanks Kaliban _________________ Homer: Lisa, would you like a donut? Lisa: No thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple in it. Purple is a fruit.
Have to agree with Steve on this. However, if this is more for a RP server, then I see no harm.
Speaking of prismatic dragons, which mod leveller do you use that has that guy?
Novice to Epic mod - see link in my sig (if it still works on new nwvault)
Kaliban
[Edit: link still works!]
Ack! Wrong signature! Grover's wisdom is always useful, but not too helpful here. Try this sig: _________________ Check out the Epic Character Builders Guild Click Here Test your new builds in this mod: Click Here
Honestly...I'm not sure I see the point of a dex focused build that doesn't have very good crit ranges, doesn't have sneak damage, doesn't have extremely high AB, and doesn't get epic dodge or self concealment. I mean, you have very high AC with "standard NWN items", but a fighter type, especially weapon master, would probably have high enough AB to hit you with the same level of items, and a caster would make mincemeat of you without you really being able to do much. It just seems like it wouldn't be that effective in the end. Hrm...I think when I get home from work I'll level it up and see how it plays out, and then try the old Prismatic Dragon test.
Steve
A DEX based char can have a great AC as well as a good AB. The only con is the damage.
Epic dodge could be a good improvemnet for the build, but self concealment is useless, at least on servers thata accept the 50% concealmente from improved invisibility.
So, you will have 50% concealment, plus 70+ AC, plus possible magical deffenses (from scrolls). It wont be that easy as you say for him to be hit. And there are some spells that give whoever hits you damage (at least 3 spells like that), so it wont be that easy for mellee attackers.
Against mages, youve already have a good SR (from 33 lvls of monk). As I remember, you could also use Silence on yourself and get (very fast) close to the caster. Just a few mages can cast silenced spells.
As I mentioned before the major COn of this character might be the damage, as its based on STR, which isnt the strong of the build.
Ive made a question but I guess nobody answered to it: should I change Blind Fight and Toughness for Improved critical for kama and unarmed?
Another one that stravinsky brought to my attention: should I make a few changes and pick Epic dodge?
Edited By cakerj on 05/12/05 18:38
Quote: Posted 05/12/05 18:36:16 (GMT) -- cakerj A DEX based char can have a great AC as well as a good AB. The only con is the damage.
Yes, it absolutely can, especially with Weapon Master or Arcane Archer levels. But your build does not have a particularly high AB. A high AB can somewhat make up for low damage, as you hit for less damage, but very often. But if a dex based, low damage build does not have particularly good AB, it doesn't make up for low damage. That's why I was suggesting this particular build doesn't work as well as a dex based build.
Quote: Epic dodge could be a good improvemnet for the build, but self concealment is useless, at least on servers thata accept the 50% concealmente from improved invisibility.
Improved Invisibility can be dispelled, and it also only lasts for 1 turn/level (since you're casting from a scroll most likely, it would be 7 turns). Self Concealment is constant and cannot be dispelled. That doesn't mean it's necessarily a good idea for this build, but Improved Invisibility from a scroll doesn't make Self Concealment useless.
Quote: So, you will have 50% concealment, plus 70+ AC, plus possible magical deffenses (from scrolls). It wont be that easy as you say for him to be hit. And there are some spells that give whoever hits you damage (at least 3 spells like that), so it wont be that easy for mellee attackers.
First of all, you really shouldn't be assuming using basically every scroll in the game cast on yourself in order to have your character survive. If that's the case, then that's a sign that your character isn't strong enough as it is, especially since a few Mordenkainen Disjunctions from scrolls leave you completely unbuffed. Secondly, just as you can buff your AC and have high powered equipment, your enemies can buff themselves and have high powered equipment to negate that (another reason not to take into account every spell in the game. A fighter can absolutely get ABs into the 60s (An arcane archer can get there naked with a mundane bow, and push up to 70 with items). And a ring of elemental resistance would take care of most of those damage shields when cast from a scroll (they just really aren't that useful without the mage levels to back it up).
Quote: Against mages, youve already have a good SR (from 33 lvls of monk). As I remember, you could also use Silence on yourself and get (very fast) close to the caster. Just a few mages can cast silenced spells.
The SR of a 33 level monk is not really effective against a mage. Your SR would be 43, and a pure mage with spell penetration feats would have a spell penetration check of 1d20+46, meaning you wouldn't resist any spells (well, except for auto-failure on a 1, if that happens with spell penetration). You'd have to drop the mage levels quite a bit before that would really become an issue. And an intelligent mage would have a few scrolls available to counteract that silencing trick (it's pretty well known).
Quote: Ive made a question but I guess nobody answered to it: should I change Blind Fight and Toughness for Improved critical for kama and unarmed?
Hrm...I'm not sure...kamas and unarmed really don't have great crit ranges...I'll leave that for someone else.
Quote: Another one that stravinsky brought to my attention: should I make a few changes and pick Epic dodge?
Just to let you know, you'd need to take a minimum of 10 levels of rogue to qualify for Epic dodge, since you'd need to pick up Defensive Roll. Alternatively, you can drop rogue for shadowdancer and take 5 levels of that, but then you'd lose UMD.
Steve
Edited By Stravinsky00 on 05/13/05 07:19
Actualy (I forgot to mention), the build has Empty Body. It gives 50% concealment (twice a day), but I dont know for how long. And I guess it cant be dispeled, at least, it shouldnt.
Empty body is 1 round/level so about 3.3 minutes length on it..
-DaMouse
Quote: Posted 05/15/05 14:05:24 (GMT) -- cakerj
Actualy (I forgot to mention), the build has Empty Body. It gives 50% concealment (twice a day), but I dont know for how long. And I guess it cant be dispeled, at least, it shouldnt.
Yeah, that part of the comment wasn't about your build in particular. It was just about Improved Invisibility vs. Self Concealment. If you have enough monk levels, Empty Body works well enough to make Self Concealment V much less useful.
The ONLY pro???? You must be kidding.