Here's another build I had came up with at someone else's request, so I figured I should post it here as well. It has Dev Crit, decent AC, high HP, 15/- DR, and 6th level cleric spells. If you prefer, you can switch the scimitar and shield for a two hander for added damage at the expense of AC.
Dwarf, any lawful STR 15 (25) DEX 13 CON 16 (21) INT 13 WIS 14 (16) CHA 6
1: Fighter(1) - Power Attack, Cleave 2: Cleric(1) - Strength and Trickery Domains 3: Fighter(2) - Weapon Focus (Scimitar), Dodge 4: Cleric(2) - STR+ 5: Cleric(3) 6: Fighter(3) - Toughness 7: Fighter(4) - Weapon Specialization (Scimitar) 8: Cleric(4) - STR+ 9: DwD(1) - Knockdown 10: DwD(2) 11: Cleric(5) 12: Cleric(6) - Improved Critical (Scimitar), STR+ 13: Cleric(7) 14: DwD(3) 15: DwD(4) - Improved Knockdown 16: DwD(5) - STR+ 17: DwD(6) 18: Cleric(8) - Great Cleave 19: DwD(7) 20: DwD(8) - WIS+ 21: Cleric(9) - Great Strength I 22: Fighter(5) 23: Fighter(6) - Epic Weapon Focus (Scimitar) 24: DwD(9) - Great Strength II, STR+ 25: DwD(10) 26: DwD(11) 27: Fighter(7) - Great Strength III 28: Fighter(8) - Epic Weapon Specialization (Scimitar) STR+ 29: Cleric(10) 30: DwD(12) - Great Strength IV 31: DwD(13) 32: DwD(14) - Overwhelming Critical (Scimitar), CON+ 33: Cleric(11) - Great Wisdom I 34: DwD(15) 35: Fighter(9) 36: Fighter(10) - Great Constitution I, Devastating Critical (Scimitar) 37: DwD(16) 38: DwD(17) 39: Cleric(12) - Great Constitution II 40: DwD(18) - Damage Reduction I, +CON
Unbuffed AB with mundane scimitar: 38/33/28/23 Unbuffed damage with mundane scimitar: 1-6 + 13 (15-20/x2) Unbuffed AC with mundane plate and tower shield: 26 Unbuffed Max HP: 652
Buffed AB with mundane scimitar: 55/50/45/40 Buffed damage with mundane scimitar: 2-12 + 26 (15-20/x2) Buffed AC with mundane plate and tower shield: 38 Buffed Max HP: 772
You can get higher with items of course.
Steve
Edited By griphook on 05/20/05 20:27
Is the damage including Cleric buff spells or just defensive stance, they seem a little lower that i would have expected!!
(Aid, bless, prayer, divine favor and such)
The end effect is not much different than my "Raging Dwarf" even though we took rather different classes.
yes.. could you please explain your reasons for only 12 lvls of cleric?
Quote: Here's another build I had came up with at someone else's request It has Dev Crit, decent AC, high HP, 15/- DR, and 6th level cleric spells.
I asume the low amount of cleric levels, was so he could get all the other requirments and prequisits for the range of feats he was trying to aquire.
EDIT:
what if you were to take the cleric lvls first then work up to getting CoT, that would help with saves and also give you a good amount of feats. _________________ Yume No Chikara
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Edited By Blunkanthrust on 05/20/05 15:31
Then he would have to
Need to pick WP prof Martial or go with Morningstar instead of Scimitar.
Is the damage including Cleric buff spells or just defensive stance, they seem a little lower that i would have expected!!
(Aid, bless, prayer, divine favor and such)
The end effect is not much different than my "Raging Dwarf" even though we took rather different classes.
I think I took into account every relavant cleric buff, but I did forgot to take defensive stance into consideration. In that case, add 1 point to damage for the STR, 80 to the HP, 4 to the AC. It is possible I missed a buff here and there, but I don't think so. I did however do the computations by hand. When I get a chance, I'll check it out in game and post the actual damage diplayed. One quick way to increase the damage is to switch to a two-hander of course, at the expense of a little HP.
Quote: Posted 05/20/05 14:13:32 (GMT) -- aluka
yes.. could you please explain your reasons for only 12 lvls of cleric?
Cleric is being used purely for buffing spells (which was honestly philosophically hard for me to do, since I love pure battle casting clerics, ). I went up to 6th level spells to pick up Heal. Beyond that...there really aren't any buff spells higher than that, at least none that would would worth everything I would have to give up in terms of feats from taking less levels of the other classes or from the extra points in wisdom that would be required. Even 9-10 levels of cleric would be sufficient if I didn't want access to Heal (you could take the Healing Domain to pick up Heal at level 5 then if you wanted to
One other alternative that could be done if you don't care about picking extra Epic Damage Reduction would be to drop the Great Con feats and Damage Reduction feat, and take Armor Skin, Blind Fight, and Epic Prowess. You can leave CON at 18 and stil have decent HP, but pick up a few more points in STR
Steve
Edit: Oh, and Martin is right about why I didn't go for the CoT. I wouldn't want to lose Weapon Spec/Epic Weapon Spec, nor waste a feat on Weapon Proficiency: Martial and lose another feat as well.
Edited By Stravinsky00 on 05/20/05 17:39
for a buffing cleric, I try to get at least 15 levels of cleric. this gives you 8th level spells (mass heal), but that's not the reason I go that far. The real reason is to max out the buffing spells.
greater magic weapon, magic vestiment, divine favor, etc... all gain bonuses based on caster level and they max out at lvl 15. If you don't take that many levels you can't get the most out of your buffs. (get +4 instead of +5 for these buffs).
The exception is shield of faith, which maxes out at lvl 18.
for a buffing cleric, I try to get at least 15 levels of cleric. this gives you 8th level spells (mass heal), but that's not the reason I go that far. The real reason is to max out the buffing spells.
greater magic weapon, magic vestiment, divine favor, etc... all gain bonuses based on caster level and they max out at lvl 15. If you don't take that many levels you can't get the most out of your buffs. (get +4 instead of +5 for these buffs).
The exception is shield of faith, which maxes out at lvl 18.
Yeah, I had thought of that as well. The problem is just the tightness of the build makes it difficult. But you could drop, say, dev crit and pick up some cleric levels from fighter levels and some extra wisdom. Or you could scrap some DR and con and do likewise. Honestly, I made this for someone else who had specific requests, as opposed to for myself (you'll note it's the only non-rogue build from me, especially after I add in my next build). For my own personal tastes, I'd probably change a number of things (I'm not that big a DwD fan honestly, not because I don't think it's strong, just a matter of personal taste). But yeah, that is one of a number of things you could do with this build to enhance various aspects of it.
Steve
Edit: I might try some sort of Cleric/Barb/CoT build..sort of like a cleric version of Martin's Raging Dwarf, although the XP penalties might be a pain...Hrm, might be interesting, but I'll have to check it out and see.
). I went up to 6th level spells to pick up Heal. Beyond that...there really aren't any buff spells higher than that, at least none that would would worth everything I would have to give up in terms of feats from taking less levels of the other classes or from the extra points in wisdom that would be required. Even 9-10 levels of cleric would be sufficient if I didn't want access to Heal (you could take the Healing Domain to pick up Heal at level 5 then if you wanted to