Cleric of Doom

Human (any Evil)

STR=12 (15) WIS=16 (18)
DEX=13 (18) INT=12
CON=10 CHA=13 (15)

1) Cleric wpn pro(martial) Extend spell,concent 4,Spcr 4, save 8
2) cleric concent 1,spcr 1 save 10
3) cleric combat cast con1,spcr 1 save 12
4) cleric con 1 spcr 1 save 14 CHA+1
5) cleric con 1 spcr 1 save 16
6) rogue Dodge,hide 5,MS 5, Tum 4, UMD 4 save 8
7) rogue hide 1,MS 1, Tum 1, UMD 1 save 14 rogue hide 2,MS 4, Tum 3, UMD 3 save 12 DEX+1
9)Assassin Mobility,hide 4,MS,2,Tum 4,UMD 4 save 4
10)assassin hide 1,MS 1,Tum 1,UMD 1,save 6
11)cleric concentration 2,spellcraft 2 save 6
12)cleric wpn focus(Warhammer) concentration 2,spellcraft 2 CHA+1
13)cleric concentration 1,spellcraft 1,save 8
14)cleric concentration 2,spellcraft 2,save 8
15)cleric Empower spell,concentration 1,spellcraft 1,save 10
16)Assassin hide 2,MS 2,Tum 2,UMD 2,save 8 DEX+1
17)assassin hide 2,MS 2,Tum 2,UMD 2,save 6
18)assassin Imp crit,hide 3,MS 3,Tum 3,UMD 3
19)cleric concentration 2,spellcraft 2
20)cleric concentration 2,spellcraft 2,WIS+1
21)cleric Epic Will,concentration 2,spellcraft 2
22)cleric concentration 2,spellcraft 2
23)assassin hide 2,MS 2,Tum 2
24)cleric spring attack,concentration 1,spellcraft 1,save 2,WIS+1
25)assassin hide 2,MS 2,Tum 2,save 2
26)assassin discipline 3,hide 1,MS 1
27)assassin Epic Prowess,discipline 3
28)assassin discipline 3,DEX+1
29)assassin discipline 3
30)assassin blind fight,discipline 3
31)assassin save 6
32)assassin Great DEX I,STR+1
33)assassin Great STR I
34)assassin save all
35)assassin discipline 4,save 22
36)assassin Imp sneak I,II, Intimidate 25, save 3,STR+1
37)assassin save 9
38)assassin save 15
39)assassin Imp sneak III,discipline 1,save 19
40)assassin Imp sneak IV,hide 5,MS 5,Tum 11,DEX+1

This is my first build to post,so I Have not tested it,sorry.

His naked AC is 21
base attack is 24
he has very low HP (209) due to his CON,so anything that enhances CON will help him out bunches.
his AB is +28/+23/+18 w/mundane warhammer

his save ended up like this
Fort=20 will=28 reflex=25

his skill ended up like this
concentration=25 discipline=22 Hide=34 MS=34 Intimidate=27
spellcraft=26 Tumble=39 and UMD=22 with 4 left over.


like I stated before,I HAVE NOT tested this build,but plan on it tonight,so if there are any tips or hints or helpful suggestions,feel free to flame away I don't mind.

This build probably stinks to every layer of the abyss,but it is my FIRST one to post
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Quote: Posted 06/16/05 22:31:22 (GMT) -- Marcus Whitewolf

Cleric of Doom

Human (any Evil)

STR=12 (15) WIS=16 (18)
DEX=13 (18) INT=12
CON=10 CHA=13 (15)

Big problem here. You're raising 4 attributes. At worst, you should concentrate on only 2. One is even better. This build is going to be too watered down and unable to do anything well because of this.

Dump CHA, since you don't need it for anything.

You need WIS of 18 to cast all the spells to which you'll have access, so that's a good decision. Next, you should decide if you want to go with STR or DEX and raise that one single attribute as high as possible.

Feats:

You're taking Spring Attack in epic levels, with a build that has Tumble as a class skill. Drop it. High Tumble ranks makes Spring Attack ompletely redundant.

Drop Epic Will. Will is your high save as your build stands.

Dodge may be useful, but Mobility is not really needed in this build.

I would drop Rogue completely and just cross-class skill points to qualify for Assn at level 13. Take an Assn level or 2, then perhaps SD (in which case, you'd need the Mobility feat) Go CLC 16/Assn 24/SD 2 (I'd go heavy DEX in this build, BTW)

I also wouldn't burn a feat for martial weapons.

Improved Sneaks... meh. You'll have lots of sneak damage anyway. I'd concentrate on getting my AB high (Weapon Focus, Epic Weapon Focus, and GRT attribute feats)

That's my 2 cents.
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It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!! I'm in shock! Cinny tellin you to dump rogue

LOL but seriously, i agree with all he said. SD brings alot more to the build than rogue.

My 1/2 cent.

Peace Thanx for all the input and helpful tips.I guess I have a little rebuilding to do.I know it's kind of sad to create a build on the fly,but I'm not one to sit here and think it out first..maybe I should...lol. So I take it that it could be a viable build then dropping rogue and goin with 2 lvls of SD instead.

So I should take Cleric to lvl 12 then 2 lvls of Assassin,then 2 lvls of SD,then 4 lvls of Cleric,and the rest in Assassin?
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Edited By Marcus Whitewolf on 06/17/05 04:19

Quote: Posted 06/17/05 04:08:33 (GMT) -- Marcus Whitewolf

Thanx for all the input and helpful tips.I guess I have a little rebuilding to do.I know it's kind of sad to create a build on the fly,but I'm not one to sit here and think it out first..maybe I should...lol. So I take it that it could be a viable build then dropping rogue and goin with 2 lvls of SD instead.

So I should take Cleric to lvl 12 then 2 lvls of Assassin,then 2 lvls of SD,then 4 lvls of Cleric,and the rest in Assassin?

That would probably work. I might consider saving that last Cleric level until late to top up Spellcraft though. I'd also go high DEX with this build as well. Take your WIS to 18 and put all other attribute increases into DEX. You'll want to go with Weapon Finesse this way, so you'll need a finessable weapon. Your choices would be: Mace, Sickle, and Dagger. If you choose to take the Martial feat, then I'd opt for the rapier (if you're going sword and board, otherwise I'd dual-wield short swords)
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It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!! Thanx again for the replies..that is what I did WIS to 18 and puttin the rest into DEX...but I also kept with wpn prof martial..and gonna be very different from anything I've seen and use a halberd..so far it is working out pretty good..I got her to lvl 7 so far,but I figure it to be a slow build but hopefullyshe'll be able to hold her own.
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