The concept of this build: Use IKD with your two-bladed sword, which counts as a large weapon. Once they're on the ground, get a whole lot of sneak attacks, because your two-bladed sword counts as dual wielding. Make sure they never get back up with Death Attack. Keep getting ridiculous numbers of sneak attacks. If that damage doesn't kill them immediately, wait for them to fail their Devestating Critical save (DC 39). All in all, I've found the build to be extremely effective.

Human

Any evil

Str 17
Dex 15
Con 12
Wis 8
Int 13
Cha 8

1. Rogue 1 – Ambidexterity, Two-Weapon Fighting
2. Rogue 2
3. Rogue 3 – Exotic Weapon Proficiency
4. Rogue 4 – Str 18
5. Fighter 1 / Rogue 4 – Knockdown*
6. Rogue 5 / Fighter 1 – Weapon Focus (Two-bladed sword)
7. Fighter 2 / Rogue 5 – Power Attack*
8. Rogue 6 / Fighter 2 – Str 19
9. Fighter 3 / Rogue 6 – Imp. Knockdown
10. Rogue 7 / Fighter 3
11. Fighter 4 / Rogue 7 – Weapon Spec. (Two-bladed sword)*
12. Rogue 8 / Fighter 4 – Str 20, Imp. Crit. (Two-bladed sword)
13. Assassin 1 / Rogue 8 / Fighter 4
14. Rogue 9 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 1
15. Assassin 2 / Rogue 9 / Fighter 4 – Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
16. Rogue 10 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 2 – Str 21, Improved Evasion**
17. Assassin 3 / Rogue 10 / Fighter 4
18. Rogue 11 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 3 –Cleave
19. Assassin 4 / Rogue 11 / Fighter 4
20. Rogue 12 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 4 – Str 22
21. Rogue 13 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 4 – Epic Weapon Focus (Two-bladed sword), Crippling Strike **
22. Rogue 14 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 4
23. Rogue 15 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 4 –
24. Assassin 5 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4 – Str 23, Great Cleave. (Two-bladed sword)
25. Assassin 6 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4
26. Assassin 7 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4
27. Fighter 5 / Rogue 15 / Assassin 7 – Epic Weapon Spec. (Two-bladed sword)
28. Assassin 8 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5 – Str 24
29. Assassin 9 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5
30. Assassin 10 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5 – Overwhelming Crit
31. Assassin 11 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5
32. Assassin 12 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5 – Str 25
33. Assassin 13 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5 – Devestating Crit. (Two-bladed sword)
34. Assasssin 14 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5 – Imp. Sneak Attack I***
35. Assassin 15 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5
36. Assassin 16 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5 – Str 26, Imp. Sneak Attack II
37. Assassin 17 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5
38. Assassin 18 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5 – Imp. Sneak Attack III***
39. Assassin 19 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5 – Great Str 27
40. Rogue 16 / Assassin 19 / Fighter 5 – Str 28, Imp. Sneak Attack IV**

Skills: Get Hide and Move Silently to 8. Max Discipline on Fighter levels. As Rogue and Assassin, max Tumble, UMD, Open Lock, Search, and Disable Trap. Max Spot and Listen until they hit 33. Don't take Tumble past 40. Don't cross-class, ever, on this build. That will take up all your skill points.

Comments? Questions? Corrections? I tested it out (in combat this time, so it really works, unlike my AA variant), so no worries there.

griphook ..Typo's corrected

Edited By Cinnabar Din on 02/25/08 02:48

Its an interesting build, getting you where you want. A few things; You have EWS, smart vs those opponents who are immune to crits, to increase dmg output.

A char with high discipline f.ex a warrior cleric will be hard to knock down, while he smacks at you. They can knock you back, you know. So here is the main thing I would try to improve. Why so low Hide and MS? Getting in the first sneak/death attack is important, it can be a huge difference in this build. Or are you trusting invis to take care of that?

What armor are you planning to use? Heavy? More stats to, please, final AB, and ac with chosen armor.Your death save will be low to. 22 without int buffs I think.

Improvement tips, after quick test of your build right now.
1. Start out with STR 16, INT 14, CON 14.
2. At lvl 27, take assassin and Great Strength feat
3.At lvl 36, take the 5th fighter lev to get EWS, here you will lose imp.sneak attack.

edit: It will get you a higher discipline to, the fighter lev coming later

Overall you lose only 1d6 sneak damage, but the gain is 40hp, 43 more skill points and your save DC vs death attack improve by 1.

All in all a good build. Fill up your stats for us now

Edited By Grimnir77 on 07/03/05 09:59

I would agree with Grimnir on most of that. What would concern me is that AC at lower levels. You may want to take 1 level of fighter at Level 2 to get those Armor Proficiencies.

Also, I would suggest starting your Strength at 16 and move one of those points into Int, and the other two into Dex to give you an even 16 Dex. You can then use that Great Strength feat for Epic Prowess to make up for the 1 loss in AB.

In addition, since he is Strength-based and since he also has EWS, I would advise dropping 1 or 2 of those Improved Sneaks to help balance the character. I would suggest Armor Skin as well as either Epic Will(this guy's Will save is abyssmal) or Slippery Mind, or both.

Finally, perhaps it's just a bug I'm unaware of, but I thought Great Cleave had to be taken before Overwhelming Crit, yes?
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Edited By grizzled_dwarflord on 07/03/05 16:27

Right on all counts. I realized I'd been wrong about IKD this morning. The Great Cleave was a sloppy edit during testing, sorry about that. Simple fix, just switch the order on that and Overwhelming Crit. Before I read the suggestions above, I'd already remade the build for kukris and a little more strength. Here it is:

Human

Str 17
Dex 15
Con 12
Wis 8
Int 13
Cha 8

1. Rogue 1 – Ambidexterity, Two-Weapon Fighting
2. Rogue 2
3. Rogue 3 – Exotic Weapon Proficiency
4. Rogue 4 – Str 18
5. Fighter 1 / Rogue 4 – Knockdown*
6. Rogue 5 / Fighter 1 – Weapon Focus (Kukri)
7. Fighter 2 / Rogue 5 – Power Attack*
8. Rogue 6 / Fighter 2 – Str 19
9. Fighter 3 / Rogue 6 – Imp. Knockdown
10. Rogue 7 / Fighter 3
11. Fighter 4 / Rogue 7 – Weapon Spec. (Kukri)*
12. Rogue 8 / Fighter 4 – Str 20, Imp. Crit. (Kukri)
13. Assassin 1 / Rogue 8 / Fighter 4
14. Rogue 9 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 1
15. Assassin 2 / Rogue 9 / Fighter 4 – Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
16. Rogue 10 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 2 – Str 21, Improved Evasion**
17. Assassin 3 / Rogue 10 / Fighter 4
18. Rogue 11 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 3 –Cleave
19. Assassin 4 / Rogue 11 / Fighter 4
20. Rogue 12 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 4 – Str 22
21. Rogue 13 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 4 – Epic Weapon Focus (Kukri), Crippling Strike **
22. Rogue 14 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 4
23. Rogue 15 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 4 –
24. Assassin 5 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4 – Str 23, Great Cleave
25. Assassin 6 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4
26. Assassin 7 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4
27. Fighter 5 / Rogue 15 / Assassin 7 – Epic Weapon Spec. (Kukri)
28. Assassin 8 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5 – Str 24
29. Assassin 9 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5
30. Assassin 10 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5 – Overwhelming Crit. (Kukri)
31. Assassin 11 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5
32. Assassin 12 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5 – Str 25
33. Assassin 13 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5 – Devestating Crit. (Kukri)
34. Assasssin 14 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5 – Imp. Sneak Attack I***
35. Assassin 15 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5
36. Assassin 16 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5 – Str 26, Great Str 27
37. Assassin 17 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5
38. Assassin 18 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 5 – Imp. Sneak Attack II***
39. Fighter 6 / Assassin 18 / Rogue 15 – Great Str 28, Great Str 29*
40. Assassin 19 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 6 – Str 30

The suggestions above are good ones. I'll post another version taking those into account in a bit.

*edit* No, you don't go from Assassin 7 to Assassin 18 . Just a typo.

Edited By Nimueh_Leafbow on 07/03/05 17:21

Here it is. I wasn't able to work in Epic Will, so the build is still pretty pathetic on will saves. I hope Slippery Mind will help some with that. Here's the build:

Human

Any Evil

Str 16
Dex 15
Con 14
Wis 8
Int 14
Cha 8

1. Rogue 1 – Ambidexterity, Two-Weapon Fighting
2. Fighter 1 / Rogue 1 – Exotic Weapon Proficiency *
3. Rogue 2 / Fighter 1 – Knockdown
4. Rogue 3 / Fighter 1 – Str 17
5. Rogue 4 / Fighter 1
6. Rogue 5 / Fighter 1 – Weapon Focus (Kukri)
7. Fighter 2 / Rogue 5 – Power Attack*
8. Rogue 6 / Fighter 2 – Str 18
9. Fighter 3 / Rogue 6 – Imp. Knockdown
10. Rogue 7 / Fighter 3
11. Fighter 4 / Rogue 7 – Weapon Spec. (Kukri)*
12. Rogue 8 / Fighter 4 – Str 19, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
13. Assassin 1 / Rogue 8 / Fighter 4
14. Rogue 9 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 1
15. Assassin 2 / Rogue 9 / Fighter 4 – Imp. Crit. (Kukri)
16. Rogue 10 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 2 – Str 20, Crippling Strike **
17. Assassin 3 / Rogue 10 / Fighter 4
18. Rogue 11 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 3 –Cleave
19. Assassin 4 / Rogue 11 / Fighter 4
20. Rogue 12 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 4 – Str 21
21. Rogue 13 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 4 – Epic Weapon Focus (Kukri), Imp. Evasion**
22. Rogue 14 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 4
23. Rogue 15 / Fighter 4 / Assassin 4
24. Assassin 5 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4 – Str 22, Great Cleave
25. Assassin 6 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4
26. Assassin 7 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4
27. Assassin 8 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4 – Great Str 23
28. Assassin 9 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4 – Str 24
29. Assassin 10 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4
30. Assassin 11 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4 – Overwhelming Crit. (Kukri)
31. Assassin 12 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4
32. Assassin 13 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4 – Str 25
33. Assassin 14 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4 – Devestating Crit. (Kukri), Imp. Sneak Attack I***
34. Assasssin 15 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4
35. Assassin 16 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4
36. Assassin 17 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4 – Str 26, Great Str 27
37. Assassin 18 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4 – Imp. Sneak Attack II***
38. Assassin 19 / Rogue 15 / Fighter 4
39. Fighter 5 / Assassin 19 / Rogue 15 – Epic Weapon Spec. (Kukri)
40. Rogue 16 / Assassin 19 / Fighter 5 – Str 28, Slippery Mind**

Skills: Get 8 in Hide and Move Silently. Get 5 in Spellcraft (cross-class). Max Disable Trap, Discipline, Open Lock, Spot, Listen, Search, UMD, and Tumble.


Stats:

Max HP: 340

AC (Full Plate): 27

AB (Dual Kukris): Main Hand 36/31/26/21, Off Hand 36/31

Damage (Dual Kukris): Main Hand 1d4 + 15, Off Hand 1d4 + 10

Critical Range (Dual Kukris): Main Hand 15-20/x2, Off Hand 15-20/x2

Saves:

Fortitude: 21 (22 spells) (31 poison)
Reflex: 25 (26 spells) (28 traps)
Will: 15 (16 spells) (reroll mind-affecting)

Death Attack DC: 31

Devestating Crit DC: 39

Sneak Attack/Death Attack Damage: 20d6

*edit* typo

Edited By Nimueh_Leafbow on 07/05/05 05:35