Serene Shadow Mage Playable from levels 1-40... PvM or PvP
Monk 13 Shadowdance 7 Wizard 20
Race Elf
Alignment Any Lawful

Base Attributes
STR 12
DEX 16 to 30
CON 12
WIS 12
INT 16 to 20
CHA 8


1 ) Monk 1: Dodge
2 ) Monk 2
3 ) Monk 3 Weapon Finesse
4 ) Monk 4 (DEX 17)
5 ) Monk 5
6 ) Monk 6 WF Unarmed Attack
7 ) Monk 7
8 ) Monk 8 (DEX 18)
9 ) Wiz 1 Mobility
10) Wiz 2
11) SD 1
12) SD 2: Blind Fight (DEX 19)
13) Monk 9
14) Monk 10
15) Wiz 3 Toughness
16) Monk 11 (DEX 20)
17) SD 3
18) SD 4 Extend Spell
19) Wiz 4
20) Monk 12 (DEX 21)
21) SD 5 GrDexI (DEX 22);
22) WIZ 5 Gr.Int. (17)
23) WIZ 6
24) WIZ 7 GrDex (DEX 23) (DEX 24)
25) WIZ 8
26) WIZ 9
27) WIZ 10 GrInt III (INT 18) GrDex II (DEX 25)
28) WIZ 11 (DEX 26)
29) WIZ 12
30) WIZ 13 Epic Dodge
31) SD 6
32) WIZ 14 (DEX 27)
33) WIZ 15 GrInt IV (19) GrDex IV (DEX 28)
34) WIZ 16
35) WIZ 17
36) WIZ 18 EWF: Unarmed Attack (DEX 29)
37) WIZ 19
38) SD 7
39) WIZ 20 Armor Skin; Epic Spell: Epic Mage Armor
40) Monk 13 (DEX 30)

AB: 24 + 10 (dex) + 3 (wf and ewf) = 37
AC: 10 + 2 (monk) + 10 (dex) + 1 (wis) + 1 (dodge) + 8 (tumble) + 2 (armor skin) = 34 unbuffed

Concentration 43 (44) (C)
Discipline 43 (44) (D)
Hide 35 (45) (H)
Open Lock 1 (11) (O)
Move Silently 35 (45) (MS)
Disable Trap 1 (5)
Set Trap 1 (11) (ST)
Spot 40 (41) (SP)
Spellcraft 40 (45) (SC)
Tumble 40 (50) (Tu)

Final Saves (Vs. Spells)
Fortitude 21 (28)
Reflexes 33 (41)
Will 24 (32)

Edited By griphook on 07/28/05 18:54

I very much like the idea, but there are a few problems with the ending of the build:

Quote: Posted 07/23/05 02:03:03 (GMT) -- Ithacan
22) WIZ 5 Gr.Int. (17)
23) WIZ 6
24) WIZ 7 GrDex (DEX 23) (DEX 24)
25) WIZ 8
26) WIZ 9
27) WIZ 10 GrInt III (INT 18) GrDex II (DEX 25)

You miscalculated the number of Great Intelligence feats that you took. You jumped from Great Int I at level 22 right to Great Int III at level 27. As written, you've only actually taken 3 Great Ints, which only takes you to INT 19, not 20. That's not a huge deal though. The second problem is a bit more serious:

Quote: 39) WIZ 20 Armor Skin; Epic Spell: Epic Mage Armor

You need to have at least 21 levels of wizard before you can take any epic spells. Thus, you can't take any epic spells with this build as written.

Here's what I would do. You need that 13th level of monk at the end for maximizing discipline. What you can do is drop one of your Shadowdancer levels instead, so your final levels would be Monk 13/Wizard 21/Shadowdancer 6. That does mean you'd lose slippery mind, but as a wizard, you'll have plenty of spells to protect you against mind effects. So, instead of taking a shadowdancer level at level 31, take another wizard level. That way, you'll hit wizard level 21 at character level 39, and will be able to pick up Epic Mage Armor. Unfortunately, you'll also have to drop armor skin, because you won't be able to use your wizard bonus feat for Epic Mage Armor, since that bonus feat is only on your 20th wizard level. But, that does mean you can use that now free bonus feat to pick up another Great Intelligence to get your INT to 20. Here's what the epic progression would look like:

21) SD 5 GrDexI (DEX 22);
22) WIZ 5 Gr.Int. (17)
23) WIZ 6
24) WIZ 7 GrDex (DEX 23) (DEX 24)
25) WIZ 8
26) WIZ 9
27) WIZ 10 GrInt II (INT 18) GrDex II (DEX 25)
28) WIZ 11 (DEX 26)
29) WIZ 12
30) WIZ 13 Epic Dodge
31) WIZ 14
32) WIZ 15 GrInt III (INT 19) (DEX 27)
33) WIZ 16 GrDex IV (DEX 28)
34) WIZ 17
35) WIZ 18
36) WIZ 19 EWF: Unarmed Attack (DEX 29)
37) WIZ 20 GrInt IV (INT 20)
38) SD 6
39) WIZ 21 Epic Spell: Epic Mage Armor
40) Monk 13 (DEX 30)

Steve

Edited By Stravinsky00 on 07/23/05 02:49

Thanks, Steve. Your fix is perfect. You actually get slippery mind as a monk anyway.

My PW has nerfed Shadowdancer, though -- you don't get HIPS until level 7. So I will have to skin the cat another way. But the rest of the world has your fix.
Quote: Posted 07/23/05 12:26:43 (GMT) -- Ithacan

Thanks, Steve. Your fix is perfect. You actually get slippery mind as a monk anyway.

My PW has nerfed Shadowdancer, though -- you don't get HIPS until level 7. So I will have to skin the cat another way. But the rest of the world has your fix.

Ah, well, you could shave off 1 monk level. Go Monk 11/SD 4/Wizard 5 pre-epic. You'd lose 1 BAB, but you only technically need 13 BAB with a monk build to get the full 5 attacks per round, and you currently have 14 BAB. Then you can have your final 12th monk level at level 40. You'd only really lose Ki Strike +2, which is worthless anyway if you can get gloves of at least +2.

Steve QUOTE

You actually get slippery mind as a monk anyway

END QUOTE


I don't think that this is the case. At least, I have never seen this, in all of my playing around with monks. But perhaps this is a 3.5 fix or something?

-C
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Quote: Posted 07/24/05 05:00:10 (GMT) -- christian.schnabel

QUOTE

You actually get slippery mind as a monk anyway

END QUOTE


I don't think that this is the case. At least, I have never seen this, in all of my playing around with monks. But perhaps this is a 3.5 fix or something?

-C

Monk's get a feat called Still Mind. It gives you +2 to your saves against mind-affecting spells. Slippery Mind is a different feat altogether.

Steve Monks only become immune to mind spells at level 20. So it doesnt affect this build.

Syrath
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Quote: Posted 07/23/05 12:26:43 (GMT) -- Ithacan

My PW has nerfed Shadowdancer, though -- you don't get HIPS until level 7. So I will have to skin the cat another way. But the rest of the world has your fix.

You actually get HIPS at level 1 of the shadowdancer unless there has been a change to the game with a fix or something. Nice build though. He said that the SD has been nerfed on the PW - it has been redone, so that it gets HipS at 7th.

Edited By WebShaman on 08/02/05 12:54