This infernal wench from Hell has a bit to offer those sneaky melee players who want to crush the opponent, and crush them quickly. Thanks to Stealthy feat, 2 skill foci and 2 Epic Skill Foci, Infernal Mistress can sneak in Full Plate just as well as a Dex-based Rogue build. In so doing, she can launch an Improved Knockdown sneak attack, and deliver tremendous blows that not only deliver 11d6 sneak dice, but +15 Strength damage and +6EWS damage followed by Improved Critical, Overwhelming Critical and Devastating Critical. She can summon an ungodly beast from the Abyss, an Epic Vrock, that rends its opponents to shreds, and while the enemy tries to deal with this Epic Fiend, the Mistress can deliver sneak attack upon Dev Crit upon sneak upon Dev Crit until nothing remains but pulp.
She can further fortify herself with Bulls Strength, and can cast up to 9th level scrolls without failure with a 35UMD. Against those wily high AC opponents, she can Taunt with an impressive 53Taunt skill and drop their AC by 6, which effectively raises your AB by 6.
His Infernal Mistress suffers from MHPS (mediocre hitpoint syndrome). 460 hit points isn't bad, but as a point of reference, I have an Epic Dodging SC V character who gets 500 hit points(he's a bit of a freak), so I measure all hit points against him.
However, in the non Dev-crit version(see below), Toughness is taken over Great Cleave(and gains 500 Hp), and Improved Sneak I and II are taken in place of Over Crit and Dev Crit.
His Infernal Mistress Human Female Rogue5/Fighter10/BG25 Alignment: Lawful/Misunderstood
Str16(30) Int14 Wis8 Dex12 Con14 Chr12
1Rogue1, Knockdown, Stealthy 2Fighter1, Weapon Focus: Great Sword 3Fighter2, Power Attack, Cleave 4Fighter3, Str17 5Fighter4, WS: Great Sword 6Fighter5, Blindfighting 7Rogue2 8Blackguard1, Str18 9Blackguard2, Improved Knockdown 10Fighter6, Improved Critical: Great Sword 11Blackguard3 12Blackguard4, SF: Move Silently, Str19 13Blackguard5 14Blackguard6 15Blackguard7, Skill Focus: Hide 16Blackguard8, Str20 17Rogue3 18Blackguard9, Great Cleave 19Blackguard10 20Fighter7, Str21 21Fighter8, Great Str I, EWF 22Fighter9 23Blackguard11 24Fighter10, Great Str II, EWS: Great Sword, Str24 25Blackguard12 26Blackguard13, Overwhelming Critical 27Rogue4, Great Str III 28Blackguard14, Str26 29Blackguard15 30Blackguard16, Great Str IV, Devastating Critical 31Blackguard17 32Blackguard18, Str28 33Blackguard19, ESF: Taunt, Epic Fiendish Servant 34Blackguard20 35Blackguard21 36Blackguard22, ESF: Hide, Epic Prowess, Str29 37Blackguard23 38Blackguard24 39Blackguard25, ESF: Move Silently, Armor Skin 40Rogue, Str30
AB: 43/37/32/27 (17-20/x2) Base Damage: 2-12 +6EWS +15Str +2Bulls +11d6sneak Buffed AB: 61(with +6weapon, Taunt, Bulls Strength and +8 to strength) AC: 29 AC: 63 with +6 equipment Dev Crit DC: 30(36max)
Fort: 26 Will: 16 Reflex: 20
Hit Points: 460 Skill Points: 259
Hide:43(59)(51 in Full Plate) Move Silently:43(59)(51 in Full Plate) Taunt: 42(53) Tumble: 40 Discipline:42(52) UMD: 34(35) can cast 9th lvl scrolls without failure) Listen: 15
Benefits Evasion Epic Taunt Skill (53) Bulls Strength Inflict Serious Wounds Inflict Critical Wounds Contagion Solid AB Devastating Critical: DC:30 11d6Sneak Attack Excellent Stealth skill while in Full Plate(51) Use Magic Device Blindfighting/Improved Knockdown to take out Casters Smite Do-gooders 1/day for 26 points of damage
Summon: Doom Knight (9th lvl ftr) AB: 26 HP: 76 Damage Reduction Immunity to Criticals And other neat features
Weakness Low Will Save: fortunately, UMD/Dark Blessing can relieve this burden Mediocre Hit Points(such is the price we pay for Dev Crit) Doesnt make use of Divine Feats or Extra Smiting or Charisma for that matter
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Non Dev-Crit Version Str16(30) Int14 Wis8 Dex12 Con14 Chr12
1Rogue1, Knockdown, Stealthy 2Fighter1, Weapon Focus: Great Sword 3Fighter2, Power Attack, Cleave 4Fighter3, Str17 5Fighter4, WS: Great Sword 6Fighter5, Blindfighting 7Rogue2 8Blackguard1, Str18 9Blackguard2, Improved Knockdown 10Blackguard3 11Blackguard4 12Blackguard5, SF: Move Silently, Str19 13Fighter6, Improved Crit: Great Sword 14Blackguard6 15Blackguard7, Skill Focus: Hide 16Blackguard8, Str20 17Rogue3 18Blackguard9, Toughness 19Blackguard10 20Fighter7, Str21 21Fighter8, Great Str I, EWF 22Fighter9 23Blackguard11 24Fighter10, Great Str II, EWS: Great Sword, Str24 25Blackguard12 26Blackguard13, Epic Prowess 27Rogue4, Great Str III 28Blackguard14, Str26 29Blackguard15 30Blackguard16, Great Str IV, Epic Fiendish Servant 31Blackguard17 32Blackguard18, Str28 33Blackguard19, ESF: Taunt, Armor Skin 34Blackguard20 35Blackguard21 36Blackguard22, ESF: Hide, Improved Sneak I, Str29 37Blackguard23 38Blackguard24 39Blackguard25, ESF: Move Silently, Improved Sneak II 40Rogue, Str30
pretty nifty build griz. too bad you can't take better advantage of the cha bonus without some nice equipment, but with all the other advantages, i doubt that anyone will mind. now if only i weren't so opposed to evil...not a particular fan of good either, mind you, but still...
-C _________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
I've nothing on the build, but you should spell it Greatsword, not Great Sword It kind of changes the meaning, doesn't it?
Now we are talking. Style points here, for an interesting build. I was planning a similar build, you beat me to it. I am planning a build somewhat like this for My PW, will be nice to see what it can accomplish PvP to. I would have taken great str 5 and 6 instead of improved sneak. But that is just my pref. A pity not being able to use the divine shield feat, i agree, but..... That AC you have written, 62, is that without shield? Thats another thing, I would have considered sword and board, but that will yield a reduction in style points.
Well thank you for this build no matter.
PS! bulls strength will increase your damage either +1 or +3, not +2, because of your great weapon.
Now we are talking. Style points here, for an interesting build. I was planning a similar build, you beat me to it. I am planning a build somewhat like this for My PW, will be nice to see what it can accomplish PvP to. I would have taken great str 5 and 6 instead of improved sneak. But that is just my pref.
The problem with doing that, is it's not the Improved Sneaks that get dropped(they're a BG bonus feat), it's the Epic Skill Foci, which is the bread and butter of the build, and taken as General feats. Any further Great Strengths would require a hit to 2 of your 3 ESFs.
Quote: Well thank you for this build no matter.
Thanks for the feedback. I enjoyed playtesting this build. There is nothing like sneaking up on your opponents in Full Plate without having to resort to magic, and just unloading massive amounts of damage that they can't recover from. Imagine giving this little darling a dex boosting item and a few things to enhance Hide/MS skills, and then even characters with a maxed listen skill are not going to detect her.
In certain PvP environments she should shine. True seeing would blow her out of the water, but that goes for all stealth builds. The Vrock and Doom Knight can buy her some time, or allow her to get in some sneaks and IKDs, while the UMD can make her adaptable to any situation. He Dev Crit DC is just high enough that you don't want to take the chance getting hit by her. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
36Blackguard22, ESF: Hide, Improved Sneak I, Str29
Have you made that build in NWN? I'm asking because according to my information you canīt do that - prequisite for Improved Sneak Attack is one of the 8d6 sneak attack feats and BG gets 8d6 sneak attack at level 25. _________________ Character Build Calculator(works with Excel, Open Office) 2.83: updated to NWN 1.69.
36Blackguard22, ESF: Hide, Improved Sneak I, Str29
Have you made that build in NWN? I'm asking because according to my information you canīt do that - prequisite for Improved Sneak Attack is one of the 8d6 sneak attack feats and BG gets 8d6 sneak attack at level 25.
Yes,it works, but I bet you forgot to count his Rogue sneaks which, by that level, give him 9d6 sneak. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
36Blackguard22, ESF: Hide, Improved Sneak I, Str29
Have you made that build in NWN? I'm asking because according to my information you canīt do that - prequisite for Improved Sneak Attack is one of the 8d6 sneak attack feats and BG gets 8d6 sneak attack at level 25.
Yes,it works, but I bet you forgot to count his Rogue sneaks which, by that level, give him 9d6 sneak.
The build does 9d6 sneak attack but still it has the 2d6 sneak attack feat and the 7d6 black guard sneak attack feat. The damage stacks but the feats donīt. At least thatīs what I thought and thatīs how it was the last time Iīve checked it (prior to the last patch though). _________________ Character Build Calculator(works with Excel, Open Office) 2.83: updated to NWN 1.69.
Quote: Posted 08/17/05 19:33:41 (GMT) -- Kamiryn
The build does 9d6 sneak attack but still it has the 2d6 sneak attack feat and the 7d6 black guard sneak attack feat. The damage stacks but the feats donīt. At least thatīs what I thought and thatīs how it was the last time Iīve checked it (prior to the last patch though).
That's a good question, and I actually don't recall that coming up before. I playtested the Dev-crit version(which doesn't rely on Impr Sneak), and just prior to that I had playtested a 25BG variant, which gets 8d6 sneak by default, and thus Impr Sneak was an option. I can't remember if I actually tested to see if it stacks for I.S. or not. And unfortunately, I'm at work and cannot test it. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
Ariel, Ookla, RIDE!
I just tried to make the build in NWN: at level 36 (BG level 22) the BG bonus feats I can choose from are Epic Reputation and Epic Toughness I. Improved Sneak Attack is not available. _________________ Character Build Calculator(works with Excel, Open Office) 2.83: updated to NWN 1.69.
Quote: Posted 08/17/05 19:55:36 (GMT) -- Kamiryn
I just tried to make the build in NWN: at level 36 (BG level 22) the BG bonus feats I can choose from are Epic Reputation and Epic Toughness I. Improved Sneak Attack is not available.
What a bunch of crap! That's as lame as Assassins not being able to use Improved Sneak attack. Why can one not count the Rogue sneaks? A sneak attack is a sneak attack is a sneak attack. What bloody difference does it make??? I could pull my beard out I am so red with rage!!
I hate this bloody game. That's it. I quit. I'm going to go join the Warcraft Guild. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
Ariel, Ookla, RIDE!
I donīt disagree but thatīs not how the NWN feat prequisite logic works: basically you can do only things like
FEAT1 and FEAT2 and (FEAT3 or FEAT4 or FEAT5 or FEAT6 or FEAT7)
For improved sneak attack FEAT3, FEAT4 and FEAT5 hold the three 8d6 sneak attack feats and the others are empty. And that's why you need one of the three 8d6 sneak feats and 2d6 sneak attack + 7d6 BG sneak attack are not enough.
I donīt say it cannot be changed but that would require a lot of work and somehow I doubt it will happen. _________________ Character Build Calculator(works with Excel, Open Office) 2.83: updated to NWN 1.69.
That's crap. I still quit. In theory, then you could have a Rogue9/Assassin9/BG22, and have combined 17d6 sneak attack, but yet never be allowed to qualify for 1 Improved Sneak because you don't have 8d6 sneak in one particular class.
I understand that Harper's FEs don't stack with Rangers, but hey, there Harper Scouts, there supposed to be hosed. But this...this...this is a flagrant breach of trust and ethics. They should not treat the poor Blackguard so!
I shall endeavor to restore their tarnished name to the greater glory, for the good of all mankind, in the hopes that one day our children will have a Blackguard that can be respected, and looked upon kindly, bereft of scorn and derision, that they might play this game and still look themselves in the eye when they face that morning mirror, and say, "I have Blackguard, right and true, who needs no parlour tricks or base chicanery by which to deliver his damage. I have a Blackguard, tall and proud, who can take Improved Sneaks without fear of Arbitrary Engine Reprisals."
Ariel, Ookla, RIDE!
Really like this build - totally unique and great fun to RP. Epic Reputation isn't a terrible alternative at lvl 36 - it gives +4 to Taunt. With that, you could drop ESF: Taunt and take Epic Will or ESF: Listen instead.
That's crap. I still quit. In theory, then you could have a Rogue9/Assassin9/BG22, and have combined 17d6 sneak attack, but yet never be allowed to qualify for 1 Improved Sneak because you don't have 8d6 sneak in one particular class.
I understand that Harper's FEs don't stack with Rangers, but hey, there Harper Scouts, there supposed to be hosed. But this...this...this is a flagrant breach of trust and ethics. They should not treat the poor Blackguard so!
I shall endeavor to restore their tarnished name to the greater glory, for the good of all mankind, in the hopes that one day our children will have a Blackguard that can be respected, and looked upon kindly, bereft of scorn and derision, that they might play this game and still look themselves in the eye when they face that morning mirror, and say, "I have Blackguard, right and true, who needs no parlour tricks or base chicanery by which to deliver his damage. I have a Blackguard, tall and proud, who can take Improved Sneaks without fear of Arbitrary Engine Reprisals."
One day....
That is just too funny! Griz, I love you , man! _________________ TeoDeathDealer Member of SoulForge PW (Action)
Quote: Posted 08/18/05 08:37:20 (GMT) -- neenex
Really like this build - totally unique and great fun to RP. Epic Reputation isn't a terrible alternative at lvl 36 - it gives +4 to Taunt. With that, you could drop ESF: Taunt and take Epic Will or ESF: Listen instead.
Yes, it really is only an issue with the non-devcrit version. Epic Reputation in lieu of Improved Sneak I at Blackguard22, but at Blackguard25, Improved Sneak can still be taken. So in the end, it's a loss of 1 sneak die while a +4 gain to Taunt. I can live with that.
Let the games continue then, I'll play for a wee bit longer. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
It kind of changes the meaning, doesn't it? 
Now we are talking. Style points here, for an interesting build. I was planning a similar build, you beat me to it. I am planning a build somewhat like this for My PW, will be nice to see what it can accomplish PvP to. I would have taken great str 5 and 6 instead of improved sneak. But that is just my pref. A pity not being able to use the divine shield feat, i agree, but.....
That's as lame as Assassins not being able to use Improved Sneak attack. Why can one not count the Rogue sneaks? A sneak attack is a sneak attack is a sneak attack. What bloody difference does it make??? I could pull my beard out I am so red with rage!!