my FIRST lvl 40 build

Playable from level 1 - 40 PvM

HALFLING
Rogue 10
Ranger 25
Shadow Dancer 5

STR 12
DEX 18 (28)
CON 12
INT 10
WIS 14
CHA 10

some of you might want to lower STR & CON to 10 and raise INT to 14. This way you get high boost to your skills and opportunity to take many great feats, like KD & IKD (e.g. replace blind fight & spring attack)

01 rogue dodge
02 ranger
03 rogue weapon finesse
04 ranger DEX +1
05 rogue
06 ranger weapon focus: dagger
07 rogue
08 ranger DEX +2
09 rogue mobility
10 ranger
11 shadow
12 ranger DEX +3, improved critical: dagger
13 shadow
14 ranger
15 shadow blind fight
16 ranger DEX +4
17 shadow
18 ranger spring attack
19 shadow
20 ranger DEX +5
21 rogue epic weapon focus: dagger
22 rogue
23 rogue
24 rogue DEX +6, epic prowess
25 rogue
26 ranger
27 ranger epic will
28 ranger DEX +7
29 ranger
30 ranger epic dodge
31 ranger
32 ranger DEX +8
33 ranger blinding speed
34 ranger
35 ranger
36 ranger DEX +9, bane of enemies
37 ranger
38 ranger epic toughness
39 ranger armour skin
40 ranger DEX +10

major skills (keep as high as possible, all the time): disable trap, discipline, hide, move silently, search, tumble, use magic device

minor skills (good to have some points, especially at the beginning. 10 in rank should be sufficient): appraise, open lock, persuade, set trap

This build has quite crappy WILL save, so remember to stock clarity potions at least
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Edited By griphook on 08/26/05 18:50

Im not seeing a reason to take so many rouge levels pre epic.

i would make it with an elf, thenjust do 24 ranger,9 rouge, for tumble and umd, to add playability while you have to deal with cross classing,5 shadow dancer, then on 39 take epic dodge and what have you with level ten of rouge. and if your going to be using so many skill points, take the 2 points out of wis and dump em in int to get an exttra 40 points. and finnaly top it all off with 25 ranger.

this way you keep more or less the same feats and add a few points of ab.
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Quote: Posted 08/16/05 00:06:18 (GMT) -- Country_Berbun

Im not seeing a reason to take so many rouge levels pre epic.

i would make it with an elf, thenjust do 24 ranger,9 rouge, for tumble and umd, to add playability while you have to deal with cross classing,5 shadow dancer, then on 39 take epic dodge and what have you with level ten of rouge. and if your going to be using so many skill points, take the 2 points out of wis and dump em in int to get an exttra 40 points. and finnaly top it all off with 25 ranger.

this way you keep more or less the same feats and add a few points of ab.

1. It's Rogue. ROGUE! R O G U E!
2. Why elf over halfling? Not that that is bad advice, but if you're suggesting a fundamental change to his build, you should explain why.
3. Note that going Elf produces an experience penalty while losing the AB/AC bonus of Halfling.
4. Why take points from Wisdom? Does that make sense for a Ranger? Why not Charisma?
5. I too would like to see a closing level of Rogue to max out skills.

Kaliban.
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"Where there is life, there is hope." - Grover Yeah, I'd definitely stick with Halfling, but I'd also move a bit of the levelling around:

Go with 12 RGR/4 Rogue/4 SD pre-epic. This will net you +2 BAB and also +1 to all your saves.

I'd also seriously consider taking a final Rogue level at level 37 or later to top up some of the major skills. You'd lose a FE by doing this (and thus some of the FE bonus to damage), but I think it's worth the trade.

I'd also dump Blinding Speed and the Epic Toughness feat. I'd move Bane to your Ranger bonus feat (It's only a couple levels later, so wth, right?) and take GRT DEX feats at levels 33 and 36.
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Quote: Posted 08/16/05 02:26:48 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din

I'd also seriously consider taking a final Rogue level at level 37 or later to top up some of the major skills. You'd lose a FE by doing this (and thus some of the FE bonus to damage), but I think it's worth the trade.

Why not take 2 shadowdancer levels (rogue(10)/ranger(23)/SD(7))? The slippery mind feat will definitely help with the bad will saves. You lose however some of the FE bonus and the ranger bonus feat at ranger(25).
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Great advices how to improve easily my character without tampering too much my basic concept/ideas.

about blinding speed & epic toughness feats.. yeah, those are quite useless feats, but I had to put something there (and I will change them like Cinnabar suggested)

oh, and when my character reaches to rogue level 10 he intends to take improved evasion. I missed to mention that on my build (even though thats quite obvious )
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Quote: Posted 08/16/05 01:55:33 (GMT) -- Kaliban99

Quote: Posted 08/16/05 00:06:18 (GMT) -- Country_Berbun

Im not seeing a reason to take so many rouge levels pre epic.

i would make it with an elf, thenjust do 24 ranger,9 rouge, for tumble and umd, to add playability while you have to deal with cross classing,5 shadow dancer, then on 39 take epic dodge with rouge lvl ten and fill out tumble and umd. and if your going to be using so many skill points, take the 2 points out of wis and dump em in int to get an exttra 40 points. and finnaly top it all off with 25 ranger.

this way you keep more or less the same feats and add a few points of ab.

1. It's Rogue. ROGUE! R O G U E!
2. Why elf over halfling? Not that that is bad advice, but if you're suggesting a fundamental change to his build, you should explain why.
3. Note that going Elf produces an experience penalty while losing the AB/AC bonus of Halfling.
4. Why take points from Wisdom? Does that make sense for a Ranger? Why not Charisma?
5. I too would like to see a closing level of Rogue to max out skills.

Kaliban.

1,
Quote: Posted 08/15/05 19:39:57 (GMT) -- harl3quin
Rogue 10
Ranger 25
Shadow Dancer 5
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2. elfs. its all about preferenes, elfs can wear more gear because they arent small statured, i like tower sheilds ands such. its perfectly fine to do halfling, but i like elf

3.if you can lower stregnth to 8 and con to 10 to have 20 dex, gaining back both the ab and the ac. with this progression (24 ranger/9rouge/5sd/1rouge/1ranger) of levels you gain about 3-4 ab because of bab, and you get an extra attack per turn. which i am fond of

4. rangers arent casters, and dont have any core skills benifiting from wisdom. so id put wisdom at 12 and make int twelve, a variety of skills seems to be important, and a few in open lock disable trap and or pick pocket is always fun


i probably should have expressed my self in a better manner
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Edited By Country_Berbun on 08/17/05 23:56

Quote: Posted 08/17/05 23:27:01 (GMT) -- Country_Berbun

Quote: Posted 08/16/05 01:55:33 (GMT) -- Kaliban99

Quote: Posted 08/16/05 00:06:18 (GMT) -- Country_Berbun

Im not seeing a reason to take so many rouge levels pre epic.

i would make it with an elf, then just do 24 ranger,9 rouge, for tumble and umd, to add playability while you have to deal with cross classing,5 shadow dancer, then on 39 take epic dodge with rouge lvl ten and fill out tumble and umd. and if your going to be using so many skill points, take the 2 points out of wis and dump em in int to get an exttra 40 points. and finnaly top it all off with 25 ranger.

this way you keep more or less the same feats and add a few points of ab.

1. It's Rogue. ROGUE! R O G U E!
2. Why elf over halfling? Not that that is bad advice, but if you're suggesting a fundamental change to his build, you should explain why.
3. Note that going Elf produces an experience penalty while losing the AB/AC bonus of Halfling.
4. Why take points from Wisdom? Does that make sense for a Ranger? Why not Charisma?
5. I too would like to see a closing level of Rogue to max out skills.

Kaliban.

1,
Quote: Posted 08/15/05 19:39:57 (GMT) -- harl3quin
Rogue 10
Ranger 25
Shadow Dancer 5
)



2. elfs. its all about preferenes, elfs can wear more gear because they arent small statured, i like tower sheilds ands such. its perfectly fine to do halfling, but i like elf

3.if you can lower stregnth to 8 and con to 10 to have 20 dex, gaining back both the ab and the ac. with this progression (24 ranger/ 9rouge/ 5sd/ 1rouge/ 1ranger) of levels you gain about 3-4 ab because of bab, and you get an extra attack per turn. which i am fond of

4. rangers arent casters, and dont have any core skills benifiting from wisdom. so id put wisdom at 12 and make int twelve, a variety of skills seems to be important, and a few in open lock disable trap and or pick pocket is always fun


i probably should have expressed my self in a better manner

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Quote: Posted 08/17/05 23:27:01 (GMT) -- Country_Berbun
3.if you can lower stregnth to 8 and con to 10 to have 20 dex, gaining back both the ab and the ac. with this progression (24 ranger/9rouge/5sd/1rouge/1ranger) of levels you gain about 3-4 ab because of bab, and you get an extra attack per turn. which i am fond of

Still prefer Cinnabar's 12/4/4 leveling scheme better. Sure it has 2 less BAB than going straight ranger pre-epic, but it give you rogue skills, evasion, uncanny dodge, and HIPS earlier on in the build. Oh, and going straight ranger would not in fact give an extra attack per round. The original build already had a pre-epic BAB of 16, and Cin's version has 18, so they already have the maximum number of attacks.

Steve And country Berbun, he was taking about your spelling, not Harl3quin's. Try putting your G before the U. Like this r o G U e, not r o U G e. A ranger is actually able to cast divine spells, if he has the wisdom to do it. But they are non to good. So dropping a bit wis is feasible for INT, or doing a CON, CHA and WIS drop by 6 total points, for two more dex. Gives access to epic dodge earlier. And you are on to something when you talk about spring attack. It does absolutely nothing. Take something else.

Edited By Grimnir77 on 08/18/05 01:58

Quote: Posted 08/18/05 00:40:09 (GMT) -- Stravinsky00
Still prefer Cinnabar's 12/4/4 leveling scheme better. Sure it has 2 less BAB than going straight ranger pre-epic, but it give you rogue skills, evasion, uncanny dodge, and HIPS earlier on in the build.

And +6 reflex saves at the expense of -2 fortitude. Probably a good deal.

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On top of the halfling +1 to all of course

Edited By pulse cap on 08/18/05 02:04

oops. . . sry
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