or. . . Sir Sings with Dragon (and Big Sword).

Bard22/CoT8/Red Dragon Disciple10 – Human
playable 1 - 40 PvM mostly, although you will not be able to knock him down or take his sword, heh, useful characteristics for PvP. But you can't knock her down or take her sword, either.

This modifies the Sings with Dragon (and Big Sword) to take CoT levels instead of fighter. It has much better saves but lacks some flexibility (no more casting in battle or in armor). You effectively lose two pre-epic feats (one for fighter level 1 and one for having to take heavy armor proficiency). Is it worth it? If you intend to buff and melee (and that is probably the rais d'etre of this build), probably yes.

S: 16 +8 RDD + 10= 34
D: 12
C: 12 +2 RDD= 14
I: 14 +2 RDD = 16
W: 8
CH: 14 +2 RDD = 16

1Bard1, Martial Weapons, Extra Music
2Bard2,
3Bard3, Weapon Focus (GSword)
4Bard4, Str17
5Bard5
6RDD 1 Power Attack
7RDD2 RDD Str 19
8RDD3 Str20
9Bard 6 Curse Song
10RDD4 - RDD Str 22
11CoT1
12CoT2 Heavy Armor Proficiency, Imp Crit (GSword) Str23
13CoT3
14CoT4, Cleave
15RDD5 Extend Spell
16Bard7; Str24
17Bard8
18RDD 6 GrCleave
19RDD7 - RDD Con 12
20RDD8 Str25
21RDD9, OverCrit (GSword)
22RDD10 – RDD Str 29 Ch 16
23Bard9
24Bard10 Dev Crit (GSword) Str 30
25Bard11
26Bard12
27Bard13 EWF
28Bard14, Str31
29Bard15
30Bard16 Epic Discipline
31Bard17
32Bard18 Str32
33Bard19 Epic Skill: Perform
34Bard20
35CoT5
36Bard21, Lasting Inspiration* Str 33
37CoT6 Armor Skin
38CoT7
39CoT8 Toughness; Epic Prowess
40Bard22 Str34

* Requires 25 Perform

AC 10 + 8 (tumble) +4 (draconic) + 9 [plate +1 dex] + 2 (armor skin) = 33 (38 with bardsong)
AB: 26 + 12 Strength + 3 EWF + 1 Epic Prowess = 42 (44 with bardsong)
Damage: 2d6 + 18 (critical 18-20)

Skills (283 points to allocate):

Discipline: 43 (+10 ESF)
Spot: 42
Perform: 42 (+10 ESF)
Spellcraft: 42
Tumble: 40
UMD: 42
Concentration: 25
Lore: 8
O/L: 1(2)
Disable: 1(2)
Set Traps 1(2)

Saves:

Fortitude: Bd+2 RDD+6 CoT+4 Epic+10 Con+2 CoT+4 = 28 (37 v. spell)
Reflex: Bd+6 RDD+2 CoT+4 Epic+10 Dex+1 CoT+4 = 27 (36 v. spell)
Will: Bd+6 RDD+6 CoT+1 Epic+10 Wis-1 CoT+4 = 26 (35 v. spell)

Good hunting.

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griphook ..Added Link

Edited By griphook on 08/25/05 15:06

You give up three feats by going CoT instead of fighter, but two of the three (Luck of Heroes and Epic Will or Lightning Reflexes) are more than offset by the +3 to the reflex saves that CoT gets and the +4 to all saves that CoT's divine grace provides. That leaves the loss of combat casting. But letting go of that frees up an epic feat (although I am recommending Toughness, a pre-epic feat). And potentially frees up 25+ skill points in concentration. An interesting combo might be to take Taunt to 25 or so and Epic Skill Focus: Taunt instead of Toughness.

On the leveling, I checked the grimoire and have confirmed that bards get the medium armor proficiency, meaning you could take the heavy armor proficiency whenever you want.

So...

1Bard1, Martial Weapons, Extra Music
2Bard2,
3Bard3, Heavy Armor Prof
4Bard4, Str17
5Bard5
6RDD 1 Weapon Focus (GSword)
7RDD2 RDD Str 19
8RDD3 Str20
9Bard 6 Curse Song
10RDD4 - RDD Str 22
11CoT1
12CoT2 Power Attack, Imp Crit (GSword) Str23

Or WF first then Heavy Armor. It never ends.

Okay, here is what you can do with your skill points.

Level 1 Bard: (4 points +2 int + 1 human = 7) * 4 = 28
21 additional bard levels: 21 * 4 = 84
21 character levels with +2 int (not counting level 1)= 42
18 character levels with +3 int = 54
10 levels rdd = 10 * 2 = 20
8 levels CoT = 8 * 2 = 16
Human (+39 (not counting level 1)) = 39

Total: 283 skill points

Discipline: 43
Spot: 42
Perform: 37
Spellcraft: 42
Tumble: 40
UMD: 42
Concentration: 20
Lore: 8
Open Locks: 1 (cc2)
Disable Traps: 1 (cc2)
Set Traps: 1 (cc2)

Total Used: 280

Huzzah. (I hope!) A slight rework on pre-epic, not to fix anything but maybe make the build marginally better as it levels:

11CoT1
12CoT2 Extend Spell, Imp Crit (GSword) Str23
13Bard7
14CoT3
15Cot4 Power Attack; Cleave
16RDD5 Str24
17Bard8
18RDD 6 GrCleave
19RDD7 - RDD Con 12
20RDD8 Str25

You get cleave one slot later but you get level 3 spells earlier and extend spell earlier too. And you don't sit there with Power Attack, which can be useless, depending on your PW (mine requires High AB and High AC rather over high damage, which I provide anyway).

Cheers. Okay. One (ha!) last tweak:

Go from:

29Bard15
30Bard16 Epic Discipline
31Bard17
32Bard18 Str32
33Bard19 Epic Skill: Perform
34Bard20
35CoT5

To:

29Bard15
30Bard16 Epic Discipline
31CoT5
32Bard17 Str32
33Bard18 Epic Skill: Perform
34Bard19
35Bard20

This allows you to take your spot skill up a bit after you get level 6 spells and get the best and mostest with your bard song.

Also, for what it's worth, I won't take Toughness; I will take Epic Skill Focus: Spot (I live in a harsh environment), and I will take it at 33, taking Perform to Epic at 39.