This is my idea of the 'ultimate' Rogue build: someone who can utilize all traps, pop very difficult locks, find any trap in the game, and be able to use his skills, even in combat, without fail. It's somewhat of a concept/roleplaying build as well as an attempt to be effective in combat. He takes a bunch of epic skill foci feats, which (for the hardcore powergaming among you) can be switched for others if you choose. Skill Mastery is included in this build to get the 'take 20' in combat situations, as this is in keeping with the build concept. This guy would be great in a party situation, but should also be able to solo, if played with the proper tactics. I had a nifty little story to post with him, but it got nuked by mistake and I'm too lazy to rewrite it. Oh well...

Ultimate Rogue

Rogue 25/FTR 10/HS 5

Human, any non-evil

Playable from 1 to 40, PvM.

STR 10
DEX 18 (32)
CON 14
INT 14
WIS 8
CHA 8

1 )Rogue1: Knockdown/ Blind Fight
2 )FTR1: Weapon Finesse
3 )FTR2: Iron Will/ Weapon Focus:Short Sword*
4 )Rogue2: DEX (19)
5 )Rogue3
6 )FTR3: Two Weapon Fighting
7 )Rogue4
8 )FTR4: Ambidexterity/ DEX (20)
9 )FTR5: Weapon Specialization:Short Sword
10)Rogue5
11)Rogue6
12)Rogue7: Improved Two Weapon Fighting/ DEX (21)
13)FTR6: Improved Knockdown
14)Rogue8
15)Rogue9: Stealthy
16)FTR7: DEX (22)
17)Rogue10: Improved Evasion
18)Rogue11: Alertness
19)Rogue12
20)Rogue 13: Defensive Roll/ DEX (23)

21)FTR8: Epic Weapon Focus/ Epic Weapon Specialization
22)Rogue14
23)Rogue15
24)Rogue16: GRT DEX I (24)/ Epic Skill Focus:Hide/ DEX (25)
25)HS1: Epic Skill Focus:Move Silently
26)Rogue17
27)Rogue18: Epic Dodge
28)Rogue19: Skill Mastery / DEX (26)
29)FTR9
30)FTR10: GRT DEX II (27)/ Epic Prowess
31)HS2
32)HS3: DEX (28)
33)Rogue20: Epic Skill Focus:UMD
34)Rogue21:
35)Rogue22
36)HS4: GRT DEX III (29)/ DEX (30)
37)Rogue23
38)Rogue24: Epic Skill Focus:Open Lock
39)HS5: GRT DEX IV (31)/ Epic Skill Focus:Discipline
40)Rogue25: DEX (32)

*or mace.

Naked AC: 29

AB: +41 (+39 when dual-wielding)

Max HPs: 360

Skills (modified):

Discipline: 42 (52)
Disable Trap: 34 (38)
Hide: 43 (66)
Lore: 8 (10)
Move Silently: 43 (66)
Open Lock: 43 (64)
Persuade: 9 (8)
Search: 41 (43)
Set Trap: 32 (45)
Spellcraft: 13 (15)
Tumble: 40 (51)
UMD: 41 (50)

Saves (vs spells):
Fort: 21 (24)
Refl: 31 (34)
Will: 17 (20)

+7 vs traps (Deneir's Eye + Uncanny Dodge)
+2 on all saves for 5 turns 1x/day (Tymora's Smile)
+2 vs mind spells (Lliira's Heart)

13d6 sneak damage.

He can Set and Disable all traps, even in combat, without failure.
He can open locks without tools of DC 84.
He can boost his DEX from +4 to +10 with only what he has available himself (Brew Potion and the stacking Cat's Grace spell). This will help his lowish AB when dual-wielding. As well, his high Hide and MS should allow him to get into position for the +2 flanking bonus on his first strike.
When Hasted, his first strike will have the potential to deliver 39d6 sneak damage plus his EWS bonus.
He has enough UMD to pretty much use anything he finds.
Epic Dodge allows him to ignore the first successful hit of each round.

He doesn't have much STR, so his carrying capacity is limited.
As well, he'll have big problems against sneak-immune mobs if he's forced to go toe-to-toe, but that's what his trap skills and UMD are for.
There are some save concerns as well, but again, the UMD should help mitigate some of these.

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griphook ..Corrected typo's
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Edited By griphook on 09/03/05 21:21

Cinn,

Nice build! Good practical choices as well as RP opportunities as you mention. Great skills and solid combat abilities.

Would you consider posting an Elf Rogue/CoT/HS version? I always like the Elf's Full Time Detect Mode for rogues. That, coupled with the bonuses to Saves that CoT provides always makes a nice combo. But I've never built a Harper character. Do you think the Human Rogue/Ftr/HS makes a better rogue than an Elf Rogue/CoT/HS would?

Nice job!

Kaliban

PS - We still want to see the background story!

Griphook, he's got a typo at level 21 - it should read FTR8
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Edited By Kaliban99 on 09/03/05 18:16

Excellent. This combination of classes is quite effective for a variety of reasons, as Cinn demnonstrated with the ESFs. This is the second Rogue25/Fighter10/HS5 I've seen here, and it looks completely different from the first one. It's definitely a demonstration to the depth of the Harper Scout prestige class.

PS- something seems a little dodgey at Lvl34.
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Edited By grizzled_dwarflord on 09/03/05 18:22

Quote: Posted 09/03/05 18:16:11 (GMT) -- Kaliban99

Cinn,

Nice build! Good practical choices as well as RP opportunities as you mention. Great skills and solid combat abilities.

Would you consider posting an Elf Rogue/CoT/HS version? I always like the Elf's Full Time Detect Mode for rogues. That, coupled with the bonuses to Saves that CoT provides always makes a nice combo. But I've never built a Harper character. Do you think the Human Rogue/Ftr/HS makes a better rogue than an Elf Rogue/CoT/HS would?

Nice job!

Kaliban

Thanks. I looked at Elf for this idea, but rejected it for a couple reason:

1) I was focussed on FTR and neveer considered CoT
2) Humans get the extra feat and skill point per level
3) Elves suck!

Actually, I'll put the nose to the grindstone when I get a chance and see if I can come up with an Elf build.

Quote: PS - We still want to see the background story!

Heh, well, I'll see what I can do, but I was pretty bummed when I wiped it in error, so it may be a while before I get ti redone (if at all).

Quote: Griphook, he's got a typo at level 21 - it should read FTR8

Good catch!
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Quote: Posted 09/03/05 18:20:50 (GMT) -- grizzled_dwarflord

Excellent. This combination of classes is quite effective for a variety of reasons, as Cinn demnonstrated with the ESFs. This is the second Rogue25/Fighter10/HS5 I've seen here, and it looks completely different from the first one. It's definitely a demonstration to the depth of the Harper Scout prestige class.

Aye, it's a good combo of classes for either roleplaying or powergaming purposes.

Quote: PS- something seems a little dodgey at Lvl34.

ACK! Holds up burnt burnt offerings to the god Griphook:

please remove the 'Epic Skill Focus:' at level 34. Thankee.
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