This is an old build of mine that I dusted off and polished up a bit and found I liked the result. There are a handful of these posted, but I think mine's just different enough to add to the pile. For one thing, I don't chase maximum STR or Dev Crit with this build, and I take both Divine Might and Divine Shield as well as several useful metamagic feats instead of a couple of Song feats. One thing I'd suggest right out of the gate is (depending on your environment) taking Curse Song over Empower Spell, though.
Sorry, no back story for this one, as it has only ever been a 'build' and not a real character concept.
CLC 15/Bard 15/RDD 10
Suggested domains are War and Strength
Human, any alignment
Playable from 1 to 40, PvM
STR 14 (30) DEX 10 CON 14 (16) INT 12 (14) WIS 14 (18) CHA 14 (18)
Boost AB to the +20 cap easily: +2 Bard Song +5 Grtr Magic Weapon +5 Divine Power (adds another attack as well) +5 Divine Favor +1 Bless +1 Aid +2 Battletide +4 War Domain power
That easily overruns the cap right there.
Also, he can boost his STR with Empowered Bull's (+3 to +7) and STR Domain power (+7) for a possible further +6 to AB. Final AB if he gets all his boosts off would be maximum of +65.
His damage output would be: 2d6 (base weapon) +5 (Divine Favor) +5 (GMW) +4 (War Domain power) +15 (base STR bonus for 2-hander) +3 (Bard Song) +1 (Bless) +2 (Battletide) + Divine Might (minimum +4) +1d6+9 (Darkfire) for a total of:
2d6 + 1d6 (Darkfire) + 48 minimum (the 48 includes the +9 to Darkfire due to CLC levels).
And his weapon could be Keen Edged for an increased crit range from the Bard spell.
He can also boost his AC by: +5 (Magic Vestment) +4 (Bard Song) +4 (minimum for Divine Shield) +4 (Shield of Faith) for a total AC of 50 with completely mundane gear.
Once he gets his CHA boosted from spells/items (for longer durations and bigger benefits), STR boosted, and CON boosted, this guy should be a nightmare. In a low magic environment, I think he'd be damned near unstoppable. The only thing he'd have to fear would be mages (as everyone does) and high level CLCs (dispelling), but even if he's dispelled, he'd still have his Bard Song active for an AB of +41 and decent damage from STR. _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
Edited By griphook on 09/24/05 20:33
i really like the charisma abilities that this class combo gets. seems to be an afterthought for so many other builds. just makes for some greater versatility, and +39 AB for a 3/4 AB build is alright.
nicely done. sounds like fun to play, especially when you have a good spellcaster and/or archer to back you up.
-c _________________ "Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things." - Miyamoto Musashi
I like cleric and red dragon disciple builds and this one is not the ordinary. The focus of this build makes it very unusual and therefore unique. This build has some great abilities and considering you had little feats to choose from you done well. But I ask is there any point in taking still spell if you need the full level of spells that you have? Nicely done though.
Quote: Posted 09/18/05 10:53:25 (GMT) -- Jehoshua
I like cleric and red dragon disciple builds and this one is not the ordinary. The focus of this build makes it very unusual and therefore unique. This build has some great abilities and considering you had little feats to choose from you done well. But I ask is there any point in taking still spell if you need the full level of spells that you have? Nicely done though.
It's not absolutely necessary, but it allows you to use some of your short-term Bard spells in battle (or just prior). Things like Haste, Improved Invisibility*, Invisibility, Cloud of Bewilderment, Ghostly Visage, Ethereal Visage. And it also gives you more flexibility in your spellbook. You could certainly drop it for a different feat if you felt it was warranted.
*This is a longer-term buff, but there's nothing worse than losing your 50% concealment part way through a battle and not being able to cast it back again.
Thanks for the input. _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
Errr... Dunno why no-one noticed it earlier (or maybe it's just me) but does he get Cleave anywhere at all?
Edited By Jennalee on 09/27/05 08:59
Quote: Posted 09/27/05 08:39:04 (GMT) -- Jennalee
Errr... Dunno who noone noticed it ealier (or maybe it's just me) but does he get Cleave anywhere?
not sure what you mean? What would he need cleave for? But no, no Cleave.
He took Power Attack (and didn't take Cleave)
Quote: Posted 09/27/05 09:01:39 (GMT) -- Jennalee
He took Power Attack (and didn't take Cleave)
That's because Power Attack is a pre-requisite for Divine Might and Divine Shield. He wasn't taking it to get Cleave.
Steve
Ah my bad (obviously I haven't played Pallys before)
This has been fun to play, thanks for posting it!
I started running out of skill points about level 8, so I typed it in to Kamiryn's CBC spreadsheet.
It seems there are only 222 skill points available.
Any ideas of 1) how to get them up to 265, or 2) which reductions to make to bring the skill cost down to 222?
Thanks again.
Try starting with 12 CON and 14 INT instead.
That will net you 40+ skill points. I say plus because of the 1st level skill point calculation changes based on INT.
Quote: Posted 02/26/08 15:07 (GMT) -- Ferg Merkl
This has been fun to play, thanks for posting it!
I started running out of skill points about level 8, so I typed it in to Kamiryn's CBC spreadsheet.
It seems there are only 222 skill points available.
Is that before the INT boost given by RDD? I never play RDDs so I'm not sure what level they get the +2 to INT.
Quote: Posted 02/26/08 15:16 (GMT) -- Bromium
Try starting with 12 CON and 14 INT instead.
That will net you 40+ skill points. I say plus because of the 1st level skill point calculation changes based on INT.
Exactly so! Swapping Int and Con yields 265 skill points.
It also lowers max HP's to 374, but if that was a huge concern, I could always take Toughness somewhere.
Thank you for your assistance!
Human: (Quick to Master) 01: Bard(1): Weapon Proficiency Martial, Power Attack 02: Bard(2) 03: Cleric(1): Weapon Focus: Greatsword 04: Cleric(2): STR+1, (STR=15) 05: Cleric(3) 06: Cleric(4): Divine Might 07: Bard(3) 08: Red Dragon Disciple(1): STR+1, (STR=16) 09: Red Dragon Disciple(2): Extend Spell, (STR=18) 10: Red Dragon Disciple(3) 11: Red Dragon Disciple(4): (STR=20) 12: Bard(4): STR+1, Empower Spell, (STR=21) 13: Cleric(5) 14: Cleric(6) 15: Cleric(7): Divine Shield 16: Cleric(8): STR+1, (STR=22) 17: Bard(5) 18: Bard(6): Still Spell 19: Bard(7) 20: Bard(8): CHA+1, (CHA=15) 21: Red Dragon Disciple(5): Epic Weapon Focus: Greatsword 22: Bard(9) 23: Red Dragon Disciple(6) 24: Red Dragon Disciple(7): CHA+1, Epic Prowess, (CON=14), (CHA=16) 25: Red Dragon Disciple(8) 26: Red Dragon Disciple(9): (INT=16) 27: Red Dragon Disciple(10): Great Strength I, {Darkvision}, (STR=27), (CHA=18) 28: Bard(10): WIS+1, (WIS=15) 29: Cleric(9) 30: Cleric(10): Great Strength II, (STR=28) 31: Cleric(11) 32: Bard(11): WIS+1, (WIS=16) 33: Cleric(12): Great Wisdom I, (WIS=17) 34: Cleric(13) 35: Cleric(14) 36: Cleric(15): WIS+1, Armor Skin, (WIS=18) 37: Bard(12) 38: Bard(13) 39: Bard(14): Great Strength III, (STR=29) 40: Bard(15): STR+1, (STR=30)
Bard(15), Cleric(15), Red Dragon Disciple(10), Human
Concentration 43(45), Discipline 43(53), Lore 8(26), Perform 21(25), Spellcraft 42(45), Taunt 26(30), Tumble 40(40), UMD 42(46)
Guess I goofed up on that one. Apologies, but thanks for catching it and posting it. _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
This has been fun to play, thanks for posting it!