Here is the other version of the Witchhunter build i just posted. comparisons and differences taken into account, i like the first version. but this one ahs some nice stuff too. just not all the versatility i wanted, but not too bad.
playable 1-40, PvM lawful good Human
STR 10 DEX 16 to 30 CON 14 WIS 15 to 18 INT 10 CHA 10
Pros: Good saves, boosted through charisma (spells), min +3, max +4 on spells pally spells mostly on weapons immune to fear, poison, disease natural 28 SR empty body, 50% concealment for 18 rounds, twice a day weak turn undead improved evasion +2 versus mind spells from still mind +1 versus death magic from strong soul monk speed 150% can heal 36 HP as monk can heal 66 min, 88 max as paladin/cot stunning fist and quivering palm, improved unarmed strike when disarmed (if ever) weak smite evil remove disease slight divine wrath, +3 to attack, damage, saves, for at least 3 rounds, at most 4
1 P1 Weap Fin, Strong Soul 2 M1 3 P Blind Fight 4 P 5 P 6 P Ambi 7 M2 8 P 9 P TWF 10 P 11 P 12 M3 WF 13 P 14 P 15 P ITWF 16 P 17 M4 18 P Toughness 19 P 20 P16
21 M5 EWF 22 M6 23 M 24 M EP 25 M 26 M 27 M GD I 28 M12 29 CoT1 30 CoT2 GD II, GW I 31 CoT3 32 CoT4 GW II 33 CoT5 GD III 34 CoT6 GW III 35 M13 36 M GD IV 37 M 38 M 39 M AS 40 M18
let me know what you hate/love. comments and suggestions welcome. compare to my other build and see which you think is best.
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Edited By griphook on 11/11/05 14:46
I like the build. I built a Pally Monk WM that was frustrating to the nth degree. This looks less frustrating, easier to play. Here's what I'd change (since you asked )
STR 10 DEX 16 to 30 CON 14 WIS 15 to 18 INT 10 CHA 10
I'd ditch two of the three GR WIS feats and up your DEX since it has AB/AC consequences:
STR 10 DEX 16 to 32 CON 14 WIS 15 to 16 INT 10 CHA 10
You spend two feats on Wisdom that you could spend on Great Dexterity by switching two of the CoT feats spent on GrWis to take two of EWF, EP, or AS on the CoT feats, take GrDex on the normal feats. This adds 1 to your AB and leaves your AC the same. And you only need 14 wisdom for your casting, so that should be fine. You would want to switch the CoT levels earlier for EWF.
It's not a charisma build despite the Pally/CoT levels, but I still would like to see Taunt if you were going to try to PvP with this. Taunt is very effective in PvP because so few melee builds have any concentration (including this one )
Maybe you could take the stealth feats down some (your dex will really help that) for Taunt?
Also, you indicate 5 attacks/round but I think this build will get six, then two more with the I2WF.
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Damage: 1d6(20/x2)
I guess Imp. Crit is not worth taking with Kama. You'd have to give up something, like Toughness. That's 40 hitpoints and you are not a strength build. I agree with that call.
Which is unfortunate. P from E -- a paladin spell!! realy helps with many, many will saves, though. Frankly, it may be the best 1st level spell ever.
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1 P1 Weap Fin, Strong Soul 2 M1 3 P Blind Fight
1 M1 Blind Fight, Strong Soul 2 P1 3 P2 Weap Fin
This will net you 8 more skill points. It's a pretty skill-starved build so that could be helpful.
Post-Epic Level Up:
21 M5 GrDex I 22 M6 23 CoT 1 24 CoT 2 GrDexII EWF 25 M 26 M 27 M9 (Imp. Evasion) GrDexIII 28 CoT3 29 CoT4 EP 30 CoT5 GrDexIV 31 CoT6 GrWis I 32 M10 33 M11 GrDex V 34 M12 35 M13 36 M GrDex VI 37 M 38 M 39 M AS 40 M18
And I prefer V2 to the original but they are different to a very large degree. The original would be fun at level 40 with the UMD and pally levels. You could buff those kamas something sick if you had access to the right scrolls (darkfire plus holy avenger and magic weapon).
So there, for what it's worth.
Cheers.
Edited By Ithacan on 11/18/05 16:19
Quote: Posted 11/18/05 16:15:10 (GMT) -- Ithacan
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I'd ditch two of the three GR WIS feats and up your DEX since it has AB/AC consequences:
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You spend two feats on Wisdom that you could spend on Great Dexterity by switching two of the CoT feats spent on GrWis to take two of EWF, EP, or AS on the CoT feats, take GrDex on the normal feats. This adds 1 to your AB and leaves your AC the same. And you only need 14 wisdom for your casting, so that should be fine. You would want to switch the CoT levels earlier for EWF. ...
well, the only reason i pumped wis ws to get more pally spells as well. with 18 wis, you get another 4th level spells, which is helpful when using two kamas. you can dual wielding holy avengers. that was the basic idea to getting that much wis with that many pally levels.
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It's not a charisma build despite the Pally/CoT levels, but I still would like to see Taunt if you were going to try to PvP with this. Taunt is very effective in PvP because so few melee builds have any concentration (including this one )
Maybe you could take the stealth feats down some (your dex will really help that) for Taunt?
taunt is an excellent idea, and with more skill points i would have added that for sure. but as it is, i felt that taunt against spellcasters with a high concentration was kinda pointless. this build was primarily a mage hunter. also, it was for pvm, but i think that for pvp it is a must.
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... Also, you indicate 5 attacks/round but I think this build will get six, then two more with the I2WF.
yeah, i think you are right. i messed that up when copying over, me thinks.
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I guess Imp. Crit is not worth taking with Kama. You'd have to give up something, like Toughness. That's 40 hitpoints and you are not a strength build. I agree with that call.
thank'ee
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Which is unfortunate. P from E -- a paladin spell!! realy helps with many, many will saves, though. Frankly, it may be the best 1st level spell ever.
i forgot about that spell. i opted for more weapon buffs instead, but PvE or PvG would eliminate any mind spell problems. Depends on the equipment and enemies found where you play.
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1 M1 Blind Fight, Strong Soul 2 P1 3 P2 Weap Fin
This will net you 8 more skill points. It's a pretty skill-starved build so that could be helpful.
i had a hard time losing those skill points. i decided to leave them out in favour of being able to finesse right away. if the beginning is easy, like the OC, than you will be alright using a sling, but for melee effectiveness from level 1 i chose to get pally first. matter of preference. if you want to take advantage of taunt than those extra skillpoints might come in very handy.
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And I prefer V2 to the original but they are different to a very large degree. The original would be fun at level 40 with the UMD and pally levels. You could buff those kamas something sick if you had access to the right scrolls (darkfire plus holy avenger and magic weapon).
my thoughts exactly!
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So there, for what it's worth.
Cheers.
Thanks for the huge and deailed reply. I appreciate all of the feedback. Of course, the decisions I made were for my benefit, but your ideas seem to be what most people would prefer in their builds. Thanks for the feedback.
-c _________________ Et Earello Endorenna utulien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
You are welcome.
I am trying to learn before I go on another posting spree and find that analyzing other peep's builds, giving my two cents, and getting their feedback is very helpful.
On the Wisdom/Dex/Holy Avenger deal, I think having holy avenger on your main kama (six attacks/round, seven with haste) will be fine, greater magic weapon on the other for those two attacks. And if you get any wisdom-boosting equipment and can cast two level 4 spells, you may find that death ward is more useful than having that second kama all buffed up with Holy Avenger. Or maybe you could have two fights with your main kama buffed.
By a ratio of 3:1 the buffing on your main kama is much more important.
Cheers, C, both are good builds.
The posted AB is right, his dex is 30, which gives +10.
A cheap trick PvP is using your speed so you are hard to target for mages, then slam them up and get out. This class spread keeps your saves good throughout the build to, which means much in most settings. It's a well planned dex-kama-dualer. We have seen that before, but you have neither fighter nor WM in this, still good AB, of course good AC and nice saves. Well planned, well built. As always.
The posted AB is right, his dex is 30, which gives +10.
Note that my calculation of AB included the 32 dexterity (+11 dexterity bonus) that would be achieved by dropping the two Great Wisdom feats in favor of two additional Great Dex feats. So his calculation was correct, as was mine.
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