A sniper with fairly decent AB and a death attack for added pain (but weak against crit-immunes). I've gone for death attack here but you could vary the proportions of AA/Assassin taken (*wants some imput from those more knowledgable on what to do*). Would probably do best with a party of fellow nasty evildoers, trying to stay out of close combat.
Race: Elf Alignment: any evil, non-lawful 1-40 PvM
STR: 10 DEX: 18(36) CON: 12 INT: 14 WIS: 8 CHA: 14 <- can drop to 13 if you want, gets level 3 bard spells
21: Arcane Archer(7): Epic Weapon Focus: Longbow 22: Assassin(9) 23: Arcane Archer(8) 24: Arcane Archer(9): DEX+1, Epic Prowess, (DEX=24) 25: Assassin(10) 26: Assassin(11) 27: Assassin(12): Great Dexterity I, (DEX=25) 28: Assassin(13): DEX+1, (DEX=26) 29: Assassin(14): Great Dexterity II, (DEX=27) 30: Bard(7): Great Dexterity III, (DEX=28) 31: Assassin(15) 32: Assassin(16): DEX+1, (DEX=29) 33: Assassin(17): Great Dexterity IV, (DEX=30) 34: Assassin(18): Great Dexterity V^, (DEX=31) 35: Assassin(19) 36: Assassin(20): DEX+1, Great Dexterity VI, (DEX=33) 37: Assassin(21) 38: Assassin(22): Great Dexterity VII^, (DEX=34) 39: Assassin(23): Great Dexterity VIII, (DEX=35) 40: Bard(8): DEX+1, (DEX=36)
^= take Imp. Sneak Attack when this gets patched to work for Death Attack by itself.
-> Dump in Discipline on Bard levels, max perform until bard level 5 then put in 3 points at 6th and then another 3 at 8th level Bard to get that level's song (ends up 13 ranks in perform modified to 15).
Max possible HP: 338 BAB: 26 AB (mundane longbow, rapid shot): 1d8 +5, +46/41/36/31/46, (Crit. 19-20/x3) AB (finessable weapon): +40
+12d6 Death Attack, DC 35 AC (naked): 31
Saves: Fort: 20 Ref: 39 <- my extreme peeve with this is the lack of Evasion! Will: 18
Why oh why don't Assassins get Evasion, or other things so this character could get Epic Dodge/SC *sigh*. Only a Death Attack and some once-per-day spells and some crappy poison save thingie... _________________ .:\_/:. Only those who have known darkness in (OvO) their hearts will see the shadows in life... (|__|) ..".."..
Edited By Jennalee on 11/11/05 10:43
Quote: Posted 11/11/05 10:22:56 (GMT) -- Jennalee
and some crappy poison save thingie...
Too bad you can't take HIPS to generate repeat Death Attacks :/
Nice build though. Cool title too.
Kaliban _________________ I want my two dollars!
Edited By Kaliban99 on 11/11/05 13:08
You really think so? I'd have thought that here, Rogue would have outshone Assassin in every single way except for the evilness concept - like all that ref save and NO FRIGGIN' EVASION, and like no skillpoints. Argh! Bioware really did give Assassins the boot up the arse if you ask me.
Maybe I should ask griphook to change that "Max Possible HPS" to "Max possible HPs rerolled." _________________ .:\_/:. Only those who have known darkness in (OvO) their hearts will see the shadows in life... (|__|) ..".."..
Quote: Posted 11/11/05 13:58:51 (GMT) -- Jennalee
You really think so? I'd have thought that here, Rogue would have outshone Assassin in every single way except for the evilness concept - like all that ref save and NO FRIGGIN' EVASION, and like no skillpoints. Argh! Bioware really did give Assassins the boot up the arse if you ask me.
Maybe I should ask griphook to change that "Max Possible HPS" to "Max possible HPs rerolled."
Well you're right - it's really no contest going head-to-head between Rogue and Assassin in NWN. So Bard/AA/Rogue would definitely give you lots more. But if your intent was to avoid an XP penalty and/or use the Assassin class then you've done a good job.
Actually, I was tired of writing grumpy comments this morning (two sick babies in the house) and thought I should make an effort to write something positive on the boards
Cheers!
Kaliban. _________________ I want my two dollars!
Hmm, seems like there is something I'd do different, probably at the expense of assassin (full disclosure, not my thing). More bard and more AA for the AB.
Like taking bard to 8 pre-epic and 11 overall for the +2 AC that that level of bard song gives you. The clincher would be, is the grimoire Right or Wrong when it says that the curse song requires level 12 bard for the same effect? Or even level 14 bard - that gives you +16 hit points, takes your death attack to 9d6.
Don't you need AB 7 to take AA? If so, I think your level up needs one more level of bard before AA.
21: Arcane Archer(9): Epic Weapon Focus: Longbow 22: Assassin(5) 23: Arcane Archer(10) 24: Arcane Archer(11): DEX+1, Epic Prowess, (DEX=24) 25: Assassin(6) 26: Assassin(7) 27: Assassin(8): Great Dexterity I, (DEX=25) 28: Assassin(9): DEX+1, (DEX=26) 29: Assassin(10): Great Dexterity II, (DEX=27) 30: Bard(9): Great Dexterity III, (DEX=28) 31: Assassin(11) 32: Assassin(12): DEX+1, (DEX=29) 33: Assassin(13): Great Dexterity IV, (DEX=30) 34: Assassin(14): Great Dexterity V^, (DEX=31) 35: Bard (10) 36: Bard (11)): DEX+1, Great Dexterity VI, (DEX=33) 37: Assassin(15) 38: Bard (12): Great Dexterity VII^, (DEX=34) 39: Bard (13): Great Dexterity VIII, (DEX=35) 40: Bard(14): DEX+1, (DEX=36)
AB: (27 base + 13 Dex + 6 AA + 3 EWF + 1 Epic Prow) = 50
Now if you took Rogue instead of assassin, you could do a Bard16/Rogue13/AA11 split, but that would be a completely different build.
And if you took Monk instead of Assassin, and Wiz instead of bard, . . .
Something like, I don't know, Monk 9 Wiz 9 AA 22. . .
Assassins do get improved invisibility as a class spell, so they aren't all bad, but certainly for most characters I'd take Rogue ahead of them any day and twice on sundays.
If you want to try the bard/rogue thing, use halfelf, or as it is sometimes called, "the race that the builders forgot." _________________ Experience is the mother of good judgement; bad judgement is the father of experience.
Quote: ... Saves: Fort: 20 Ref: 39 <- my extreme peeve with this is the lack of Evasion! Will: 18
+9 vs. spells ...
oddly enough, with a 48 saves against spells, i don't think that evasion is a prime concern. holy cow! 48 and you are still not happy with yourself! you are a good builder but even you must give what the game gives to work with.
nicely done, btw.
Quote: ... If you want to try the bard/rogue thing, use halfelf, or as it is sometimes called, "the race that the builders forgot." ...
i know neither myself nor jenn have forgotten them. now where did i put those little guys...
-c _________________ Et Earello Endorenna utulien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Edited By christian.schnabel on 11/12/05 04:20
The point of this Ithacan, was to get a good AB ranged Death Attack that had an OK DC - AKA that nasty sniper in the party of evil-fellas. Send the blackguard in to rough things up then appear and paralyze away
The AA BAB requirement is 6, like BG. WM needs 5 IIRC and DD and CoT need 7. The requirements are different.
Also: 38: Bard (12): Great Dexterity VII^ <- this was an Assassin bonus feat, you can't get it with Bard 12. If I were to increase AA levels, I'd take it up to 15 at least and drop Assassin levels.
Also, some other misplaced Great DEX in what you did (actually running it through the CBC might be an idea *hint hint*).
Dropping the Assassin levels would drop Death Attack DC (and then I'd take Rogue anyday) and a good Rogue/Bard/AA has already been done by Mith. Generic Support Archer - Bard 16/ Rogue 13/ AA 11
And chris, although he may have a 48 save against saves with a ref save, they're almost always REF SAVE FOR HALF DAMAGE and Evasion would have made it no damage. He'd almost always take half damage, not no damage which is A LOT BETTER. Imp. Evasion would guarantee at least half-damage. Also, no Imp. Evasion means you can't get SC, nor dream of ED. *sigh* - some game balance eh? _________________ .:\_/:. Only those who have known darkness in (OvO) their hearts will see the shadows in life... (|__|) ..".."..
And chris, although he may have a 48 save against saves with a ref save, they're almost always REF SAVE FOR HALF DAMAGE and Evasion would have made it no damage. He'd almost always take half damage, not no damage which is A LOT BETTER. Imp. Evasion would guarantee at least half-damage. Also, no Imp. Evasion means you can't get SC, nor dream of ED. *sigh* - some game balance eh?
...never said the game was balanced...
but true enough, i think an assassin should get evasion. it just fits in with the whole stealthy type character. although getting impr invis for free without caster levels ain't too shabby. you might even luck out and find an improved evasion or evasion granting piece of equipment. with a decent UMD you are alright. i forgot how the whole reflex half thing worked for a second there. but you should still be happy with the end result, i think. nice reflex save and a nice ranged death attack can make for some good fun. does DA need you to be within 30ft like Sneak Attack does?
-c _________________ Et Earello Endorenna utulien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Yes I think - which is why you should drag a nice fat meatshield along >:) _________________ .:\_/:. Only those who have known darkness in (OvO) their hearts will see the shadows in life... (|__|) ..".."..
Quote: Posted 11/13/05 06:19:21 (GMT) -- Jennalee
Yes I think - which is why you should drag a nice fat meatshield along >:)
never!