This build is ment for PvP or PvM playable 1-40 You'll get a high AB, great critical DMG and good HPs. I also added an Extend Spell feat so your spells last longer. I maxed his Taunt Skill giving you a better chance for you later attacks to possibly hit as well. You get 2 3rd Level spells used and can Keen and Haste.
Bard(8), Weapon Master(22), Red Dragon Disciple(10), Human Alignment: Any non lawful
1. truestrike is a spell only wizards and sorcs have acces to.
2. you cannot raise your ab by more than 20 points with spells or weapon - the max ab of a build is bab+str or dex mod+ wf+ewf+prowress +20 ( smites and probably the divine wraith are the only feats that can exceed this cap )
3. you mention that you have 2 lvl3 spells and suggest keen and haste , but also you take armor prof heavy so i assume you want to go in fullplate ...with acrane spellfailure of 45% ... a better chocie would be displacement , can be caast in armor and gives you conceal , tough only for 8 rounds in your build.
but the rest is nice !
Actually I seem to remember noticing in some testing I did that bardsong went over the +20 AB cap as well. I tested it by using a true strike scroll with a bard, then singing. _________________ Experience is the mother of good judgement; bad judgement is the father of experience.
Character sheat displays a fake ab. It continues to count, even above +20. However, try hitting something and then look at the hit rolls!
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Base attack bonus (max 30) Ability modifier Feats (WF,EWF,EP) Weapon attack bonus (at max to 20) Character attack bonus (buffs) (at max to 20)
Edited By Crimson Clover on 11/17/05 10:34
It's actually
Weapon attack bonus, Character attack bonus (buffs) (at max to 20)
Small but important difference. _________________ Character Build Calculator(works with Excel, Open Office) 2.83: updated to NWN 1.69.
you really like those classes eh BadBoy?
Bard... RDD... WM...
Nice build. Maybe it's just me, but wouldn't RDD dex builds work also (I don't mean any combination in particular like this one)? I know they are more suited to str builds, but all the other nice RDD things are still good, and the +4 ac would go well with the dodge ac also...
lol, bad boy and I have been pushing these classes around.
I would take bard to 7 pre-epic and rdd to only 8 - you save an AB that way, which gets you to the sick, sick 49 that my All-Offense Dragon Skald gets, but with a better weapon than spear. Ugh, spear.
1. truestrike is a spell only wizards and sorcs have acces to.
2. you cannot raise your ab by more than 20 points with spells or weapon - the max ab of a build is bab+str or dex mod+ wf+ewf+prowress +20 ( smites and probably the divine wraith are the only feats that can exceed this cap )
3. you mention that you have 2 lvl3 spells and suggest keen and haste , but also you take armor prof heavy so i assume you want to go in fullplate ...with acrane spellfailure of 45% ... a better chocie would be displacement , can be caast in armor and gives you conceal , tough only for 8 rounds in your build.
but the rest is nice !
im sorry but some people drive me nuts. hasnt anyone ever heard of streaking naked or switching to clothing and then cast your spells? i mean serious, if im looking for only buffs and not something to use at the moment why should anyone bother taking still spell. it all depends on what your looking for. so IMO, DONT CAST SPELLS WITH ARMOR!. GEES, im gonna go crawl in a hole now.
Edited By Bad213Boy on 11/17/05 17:08
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im sorry but some peopel drive me nuts. hasnt anyone ever heard of streaking naked or using clothing and then cast your spells? i mean serious, if im looking for only buffs and not something to use at the moment why should anyone bother taking still spell. it all depends on what your looking for. so IMO, DONT CAST SPELLS WITH ARMOR!. GEES, im gonna go crawl in a hole now.
LoL
I keep my gladiator's outfit on the tool bar right next to my plate mail. Click on the gladiator's outfit, then buff, then click back on the platemail. No nakedness.
I also tend to trick out my gladiator's outfit with armor bonus and regeneration, just in case the battle comes when I am less than armored. If your server does not permit crafting that way, just get a monk's robe with some armor bonus on it.
ya overall i cant get the AB to 49 i tried. i think its because i had to foobar Weapon Master so late. by picking martial weapons and then greataxe i loose 2 weapon master levels i think that you are talking about.
overall i like this build. its actually PvM friendly with more options to do more things.
ya overall i cant get the AB to 49 i tried. i think its because i had to foobar Weapon Master so late. by picking martial weapons and then greataxe i loose 2 weapon master levels i think that you are talking about.
overall i like this build. its actually PvM friendly with more options to do more things.
If you take Bard to 7 and RDD to 8 pre-epic, you pick up one AB pre-epic. You only get one bard level for the skill dump at 40 but you do get to 49 AB.
blast, your right. i just forgot to change the 2 extra bard lvls pre-epic and then change the 2 later bard ones to WM and then include the 2 more later lvls of RDD, fffewww.
DAMN! thats 4 attacks per round too. wow this is a nice build. just sucks against saves. i guess you can always buy scrolls for that, erruhm, spell mantle, spell mantle. hey thanks.
so let me get this right, with all the buffs included withought True Strike, what bonuses would i get?
************************ These guys are gonna hate me. someone fix this build please, its a little better now.
Player lvls 1-40, PvP, subject to XP penalty I think. Possible to play in PvM but the whole Skill dump thing sucks. So I say PvP
Bard(8), Weapon Master(22), Red Dragon Disciple(10), Human Alignment: Any non lawful
Quote: Posted 11/17/05 11:36:49 (GMT) -- D O'Brien123
Nice build. Maybe it's just me, but wouldn't RDD dex builds work also (I don't mean any combination in particular like this one)? I know they are more suited to str builds, but all the other nice RDD things are still good, and the +4 ac would go well with the dodge ac also...
*waves his magic wand around* hmmmm, interesting. let me see what i can come up with. ill have one done by friday for you. BRRrrain SStarts TOOoo HUurtT.
EDIT: sorry to do this in your thread, Bad Boy. And you can't get an XP penalty with Bard/RDD/WM since RDD and WM are prestige classes. _________________ Now is my day's work done; I'll take good breath: Rest, sword; thou hast thy fill of blood and death.
blast, your right. i just forgot to change the 2 extra bard lvls pre-epic and then change the 2 later bard ones to WM and then include the 2 more later lvls of RDD, fffewww.
DAMN! thats 4 attacks per round too.
Yes, that is the important part, although the AB in a max-out AB build is important, too.
Quote: Player lvls 1-40, PvP, subject to XP penalty I think. Possible to play in PvM but the whole Skill dump thing sucks. So I say PvP
I think the best way to characterize it is Playable 1-40 PvM, Playable 40 PvP
The build will have enough combat ability to rock through a PvM even after you quit taking the bard levels but will really come into its own with the Level 40 skill dump.
And since you only use one basic class, no experience penalty.
You don't need charisma to start at 14, just 12 -- the RDD bonus at RDD 10 will get it to 14, one more than you need as a level 8 bard to cast level 3 spells. You get more skill points this way (40).
Sorry to keep tweaking your build but you are right - it is a good build and should be tweaked to as close to perfection as possible.
EDIT: sorry to do this in your thread, Bad Boy. And you can't get an XP penalty with Bard/RDD/WM since RDD and WM are prestige classes.
Hate to burst your bubble, but Kamiryn's right. From your screenies, it appears you were looking at the totals on your character sheet. Unfortunately, it lies. Your maximum AB is:
BAB + feats + ability modifier + enhancements (weapon and magic enhancements, maximum +20)
If you truly want to test it, go into battle and check the battle logs. That will show what your real AB is with that character. (It will be +63, not +83) _________________ Wave upon wave of demented avengers marched cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream...
blast, your right. i just forgot to change the 2 extra bard lvls pre-epic and then change the 2 later bard ones to WM and then include the 2 more later lvls of RDD, fffewww.
DAMN! thats 4 attacks per round too.
Yes, that is the important part, although the AB in a max-out AB build is important, too.
Quote: Player lvls 1-40, PvP, subject to XP penalty I think. Possible to play in PvM but the whole Skill dump thing sucks. So I say PvP
I think the best way to characterize it is Playable 1-40 PvM, Playable 40 PvP
The build will have enough combat ability to rock through a PvM even after you quit taking the bard levels but will really come into its own with the Level 40 skill dump.
And since you only use one basic class, no experience penalty.
You don't need charisma to start at 14, just 12 -- the RDD bonus at RDD 10 will get it to 14, one more than you need as a level 8 bard to cast level 3 spells. You get more skill points this way (40).
Sorry to keep tweaking your build but you are right - it is a good build and should be tweaked to as close to perfection as possible.
You need CHA at 14 to cast 2 3rd lvl spells. Also wearing heavy armor, why would you subject to waste +2 DEX when you only get 8/1 for it?
DAMN IT! I forgot to change UMD also, by taking RDD later I lost my +2 INT which hense I'll lose me more skill points.
Change UMD to 15 please.
RDD 10 gives you a +2 bonus to your charisma. So you'd end up with a 14 charisma at or before you'd need it. Dexterity applies to various skills and your reflex saves regardless of whether in armor.
Otherwise, take your starting charisma down to 11 (ending at 13, right where you need it) and take that point and the extra dexterity point in constitution:
Your ending charisma is unnecessarily high. This way ends up with more skill points (40) and hit points (40) and costs you almost nothing.
Edited By Ithacan on 11/17/05 22:31
BadBoy .. It's pointless editing anything yet until your done tweaking it. Then either post the finished build here or better still make a new topic "Smash Mouth V2" its easy enough to add a link to this topic so the reader can see how the build was tweaked and perhaps learn from it i hate deleting posts unless i,m requested to do so. (unless its just clutter of course)
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Edited By griphook on 11/17/05 23:47
Quote: Posted 11/17/05 22:30:25 (GMT) -- Ithacan
RDD 10 gives you a +2 bonus to your charisma. So you'd end up with a 14 charisma at or before you'd need it. Dexterity applies to various skills and your reflex saves regardless of whether in armor.
Otherwise, take your starting charisma down to 11 (ending at 13, right where you need it) and take that point and the extra dexterity point in constitution:
Your ending charisma is unnecessarily high. This way ends up with more skill points (40) and hit points (40) and costs you almost nothing.
look, you need cha at 15 i mean, not 14. in order to cast 2 3rd lvl spells, you need a CHA of 15, not 14. 14 will give you 1 3rd lvl spell. sorry but i like being able to cast keen and haste or perhaps improve invis, thanks but notta. dex at 14 is a wasted point with this build
EDIT: sorry to do this in your thread, Bad Boy. And you can't get an XP penalty with Bard/RDD/WM since RDD and WM are prestige classes.
well someone had to tell me and i didnt know that prestige classes you wont get XP penaltys *slaps forehead* ill try and figure out what in blazes this +20 rule stuff is, but im not promising ill learn it
hey so whats the max AB you can have? 63? are there any builds that have perfected this? someone help me? man this might change all my builds.
Edited By Bad213Boy on 11/18/05 01:51
The maximum AB possible is an AA build at +89 or so (can't remember the exact number).
For melee, the maximum is about +84. That's with maxed ability modifier and +20 weapon (or +20 AB boost from spells + weapon enhancement).
As far as the AB cap, it's really quite simple:
You cannot boost your AB by more than +20 from weapon enhancements and/or magical effects.
Basically, you get your BAB + feats (weapon focus, epic weapon focus, epic prowess) + ability modifier (cannot be boosted above base by more than +12, for +6 to your modifier) + magic/weapon enhancements (cannot be boosted higher than +20 from all sources combined). _________________ Wave upon wave of demented avengers marched cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream...
Quote: Posted 11/17/05 21:22:23 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din
EDIT: sorry to do this in your thread, Bad Boy. And you can't get an XP penalty with Bard/RDD/WM since RDD and WM are prestige classes.
Hate to burst your bubble, but Kamiryn's right. From your screenies, it appears you were looking at the totals on your character sheet. Unfortunately, it lies. Your maximum AB is:
BAB + feats + ability modifier + enhancements (weapon and magic enhancements, maximum +20)
If you truly want to test it, go into battle and check the battle logs. That will show what your real AB is with that character. (It will be +63, not +83)
Oh lol, I'll check it later. You might be right, never tried *blushes* _________________ Now is my day's work done; I'll take good breath: Rest, sword; thou hast thy fill of blood and death.
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and i didnt know that prestige classes you wont get XP penaltys *slaps forehead* ill try and figure out what in blazes this +20 rule stuff is, but im not promising ill learn it