I was wondering why there are no dex-based RDDs out there and I decided to make one. He turned out to be a decent melee rogue with acceptable AB, good AC, decent saves and a fantastic skillset.
The skills are just a suggestion, if you wish doing a bit of PvP you might want to trade disable trap and open lock for spot and listen and
perhaps search and taunt into hide and move silently.
Heal 17(16) //I had nowhere to put the 17 remaining skillpoints
Perform 10(10) // For your Bardsong Taunt 43(43) UMD 40(40)
Lore 8(16) //Needed for RDD
Search 42(45) Open Lock 42(54) Disable Trap 42(45)
Discipline 43(47) Tumble 40(52) Spellcraft 42(45)
Levelling sequence - - - - - - - - - - -
01: Rogue(1): Ambidexterity 02: Rogue(2): Ro: (Evasion) 03: Rogue(3): Weapon Finesse, Ro: (Uncanny Dodge I) 04: Rogue(4): DEX+1, (DEX=21) 05: Rogue(5) 06: Rogue(6): Two-Weapon Fighting 07: Rogue(7) 08: Rogue(8): DEX+1, (DEX=22) 09: Bard(1): Weapon Focus: Dagger 10: Bard(2) 11: Bard(3) 12: Bard(4): DEX+1, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, (DEX=23) 13: Red Dragon Disciple(1) 14: Red Dragon Disciple(2): (STR=12) 15: Red Dragon Disciple(3): Knockdown 16: Red Dragon Disciple(4): DEX+1, (STR=14), (DEX=24) 17: Red Dragon Disciple(5) 18: Red Dragon Disciple(6): Improved Knockdown 19: Red Dragon Disciple(7): (CON=14) 20: Red Dragon Disciple(8): DEX+1, (DEX=25) 21: Red Dragon Disciple(9): Epic Weapon Focus: Dagger, (INT=16) 22: Red Dragon Disciple(10): RDD: (Darkvision), (STR=18), (CHA=10) 23: Rogue(9) 24: Rogue(10): DEX+1, Epic Prowess, Improved Evasion, (DEX=26) 25: Rogue(11) 26: Rogue(12) 27: Rogue(13): Armor Skin, Defensive Roll 28: Rogue(14): DEX+1, (DEX=27) 29: Rogue(15) 30: Rogue(16): Great Dexterity I, Epic Dodge, (DEX=28) 31: Rogue(17) 32: Rogue(18): DEX+1, (DEX=29) 33: Rogue(19): Great Dexterity II, Crippling Strike, (DEX=30) 34: Rogue(20) 35: Rogue(21) 36: Rogue(22): DEX+1, Great Dexterity III, (DEX=32) 37: Rogue(23) 38: Rogue(24): Slippery Mind 39: Rogue(25): Great Dexterity IV, (DEX=33) 40: Bard(5): DEX+1, (DEX=34)
Skills Sequence - - - - - - - - - - - -
01: Disable Trap(4), Lore(4), Open Lock(4), Search(4), 02: Disable Trap(1), Lore(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Tumble(5), 03: Disable Trap(1), Lore(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), UMD(6), 04: Disable Trap(1), Lore(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), 05: Disable Trap(1), Lore(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), 06: Disable Trap(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), 07: Disable Trap(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Tumble(5), 08: Disable Trap(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), UMD(5), 09: Discipline(12), Perform(4), Spellcraft(12), Taunt(12), 10: Discipline(1), Perform(3), Spellcraft(1), Taunt(1), 11: Discipline(1), Perform(3), Taunt(1), 12: Discipline(1), Taunt(1), Tumble(5), UMD(4), 13: Discipline(1), 14: Discipline(1), 15: Discipline(1), Spellcraft(5), 16: Discipline(1), 17: Discipline(1), 18: Discipline(1), 19: Discipline(1), 20: Discipline(1), Spellcraft(5), 21: Discipline(1), 22: Discipline(1), 23: Open Lock(7), Search(15), Tumble(10), UMD(10), 24: Disable Trap(1), Open Lock(9), Search(1), 25: Disable Trap(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), 26: Disable Trap(16), Open Lock(1), Search(1), 27: Open Lock(1), Search(1), Tumble(5), UMD(5), 28: Disable Trap(2), Heal(7), Open Lock(1), Search(1), 29: Disable Trap(1), Heal(8), Open Lock(1), Search(1), 30: Disable Trap(1), Heal(2), Open Lock(1), Search(1), 31: Disable Trap(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), 32: Disable Trap(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Tumble(5), UMD(5), 33: Disable Trap(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), 34: Disable Trap(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), 35: Disable Trap(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), 36: Disable Trap(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), 37: Disable Trap(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Tumble(5), UMD(5), 38: Disable Trap(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), 39: Disable Trap(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), 40: Discipline(18), Spellcraft(19), Taunt(28), _________________ HEAD KNIGHT: Shh shh. We are now the Knights Who Say Ekke ekke ekke ptang zoo boing! RANDOM: Ni!
Edited By griphook on 11/19/05 14:34
Very solid - a 42 AB with no melee classes is . . . outstanding.
Don't drop Taunt for PvP!! Taunt is very effective. And no one has concentration to resist it except the casters.
Outstanding indeed - your build has 34 Dexterity and I can't see SC5 anywhere... whazzupwiddat? _________________ Now is my day's work done; I'll take good breath: Rest, sword; thou hast thy fill of blood and death.
At most she has feats for SC III. at the cost of slippery mind, 1 AC and 1 AB. Not worth it, IMO. Or shuffle feats and take last two SC instead of epic prowess and crippling strike.
Very nice. I don't like dexers that aren't rogue. I like this one, very nice one.
loses one dexterity modifier, Armor Skin and Epic Prowess. Total of 3 less AC and 2 less AB. Not sure if it's worth it (don't like losing AB that much, really) but hey, each to his own _________________ Now is my day's work done; I'll take good breath: Rest, sword; thou hast thy fill of blood and death.
Another possibility:
21: Red Dragon Disciple(9): Epic Weapon Focus: Dagger, (INT=16) 22: Red Dragon Disciple(10): RDD: (Darkvision), (STR=18), (CHA=10) 23: Rogue(9) 24: Rogue(10): DEX+1, Great Dexterity I, Improved Evasion, (DEX=27) 25: Rogue(11) 26: Rogue(12) 27: Rogue(13): Great Dexterity II, Defensive Roll, (DEX=28) 28: Red Dragon Disciple(11): DEX+1, (DEX=29) 29: Red Dragon Disciple(12) 30: Red Dragon Disciple(13): Epic Dodge 31: Red Dragon Disciple(14): Epic Prowess 32: Red Dragon Disciple(15): DEX+1, (DEX=30) 33: Rogue(14): Self Concealment I 34: Rogue(15) 35: Rogue(16): Self Concealment II 36: Rogue(17): DEX+1, Self Concealment III, (DEX=31) 37: Rogue(18) 38: Rogue(19): Self Concealment IV 39: Rogue(20): Self Concealment V 40: Bard(5): DEX+1, (DEX=32)
You would lose 1 AB (DEX-1) and 2 AC (Armor Skin, DEX-1, RDD AC bonus+1), 3d6 sneak attack and win SCV and a few hitpoints. Instead of Epic Prowess one could take Armor Skin. Perhaps not an improvement but something different (and not a RDD(10) build ).
@fernandooa: Nevertheless a nice build. _________________ Character Build Calculator(works with Excel, Open Office) 2.83: updated to NWN 1.69.
Hehe, don't worry, no problem at all in getting a redesign for self concealment + epic dodge .
I did not think on it when I first made it. But after I got told about the high dex I started thinking on redesigning it. I'm glad you did it for me .
The AB loss can be compensated by switching to 1 weapon + shield (still 40) or just singing.
Thanks for the comments and for the redesign. See you next time my brain borns a new idea .
*Edit: Kamiryn, A sligh improvement on your version, I think you could trade the 20th rogue level for a bard one. The bard song improves a bit at level 6, rogue 20 does not give much else. * _________________ HEAD KNIGHT: Shh shh. We are now the Knights Who Say Ekke ekke ekke ptang zoo boing! RANDOM: Ni!
Edited By fernandooa on 11/18/05 21:42
Quote: Posted 11/18/05 21:15:38 (GMT) -- Kamiryn 29: Red Dragon Disciple(12) 30: Red Dragon Disciple(13): Epic Dodge 31: Red Dragon Disciple(14): Epic Prowess 32: Red Dragon Disciple(15): DEX+1, (DEX=30) 33: Rogue(14): Self Concealment I
Just a note: He would have to take Armor Skin at RDD14 as Epic Prowess is not a bonus feat for RDDs. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
loses one dexterity modifier, Armor Skin and Epic Prowess. Total of 3 less AC and 2 less AB. Not sure if it's worth it (don't like losing AB that much, really) but hey, each to his own
She loses slippery mind to. But agreed, this would be the best way to it. Tough tradeoff. Armor skin can be useful, with SC V one walks a bridge hard to balance.
Edit: Because my tired eyes tricked me, I had to change this reply completely. *sigh*
Quote: Posted 11/18/05 21:15:38 (GMT) -- Kamiryn 29: Red Dragon Disciple(12) 30: Red Dragon Disciple(13): Epic Dodge 31: Red Dragon Disciple(14): Epic Prowess 32: Red Dragon Disciple(15): DEX+1, (DEX=30) 33: Rogue(14): Self Concealment I
Just a note: He would have to take Armor Skin at RDD14 as Epic Prowess is not a bonus feat for RDDs.
According to the HotU manual, the Grimoire and the 2da files it is . Never tested it in game though.
fernandooa: correct, bard(6) would be better (loses even more skill points however). _________________ Character Build Calculator(works with Excel, Open Office) 2.83: updated to NWN 1.69.
Edited By Kamiryn on 11/19/05 10:41
Quote: Posted 11/19/05 10:34:32 (GMT) -- Kamiryn
According to the HotU manual, the Grimoire and the 2da files it is . Never tested it in game though.
fernandooa: correct, bard(6) would be better (loses even more skill points however).
WHAT! The grimoire could be wrong! NO WAY! LOL I think you are one of the first people in the history of nwn to take rdd past lv 10 jk
Quote: Posted 11/19/05 12:43:10 (GMT) -- avado
Quote: Posted 11/19/05 10:34:32 (GMT) -- Kamiryn
According to the HotU manual, the Grimoire and the 2da files it is . Never tested it in game though.
fernandooa: correct, bard(6) would be better (loses even more skill points however).
WHAT! The grimoire could be wrong! NO WAY! LOL I think you are one of the first people in the history of nwn to take rdd past lv 10 jk
No, there have been many others. In fact, I recall seeing a pure RDD30 somewhere around here. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
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The search engine lists 14 builds with more then 10 RDD levels. And yes, there is one with 30 RDD levels.
[edit]It lists 108 with exactly 10 RDD levels and that does not include the hundred of RDD builds posted this month .[/edit] _________________ Character Build Calculator(works with Excel, Open Office) 2.83: updated to NWN 1.69.
I was wondering why there are no dex-based RDDs out there and I decided to make one.
I know I'm late to the party but what about these?
Results from pulse cap's build searcher: The Untouchable Gold Edition /Rogue 28/Bard 2/RDD 10 by cakerj Reducing Rogue /Rogue 25/Bard 1/RDD 14 by Cinnabar Din Silent Dragon (Bard 5 /RDD 10 /Rogue 25) by Mithdradates Rogue 29 /Bard 1/RDD 10 by NicolasBergeron _________________ Intelligent design is neither. Science over superstition please.
Just out of curiousity: is there any purpouse in taking more than 10 RDD lvls?
Bonus feats and ac is about all. The extra breath weapon is useless, even at low levels due to it's increadibly daft DC.
...and yes I like RDD's. I just feel BW could have given just that little bit of thought to some of the Prestige Classes is all.
also 12hp a level isn't bad either..
but if it were me I would sneak ESF Taunt in somehow... you may have to sacrifice another 1 AB but in a fight that Taunt could serve you up the another 6....
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