Saw the sinister dwarven lord and thought I'd make an evlen version. Main questions I have for this build:

1. With Divine Might, is a higher charisma better?
2. Would a strength build be better than charisma for this build?

playable 1 - 40 PvM

Elf: (Hardiness vs. Enchantements, Keen Sense, Low-light Vision, Skill Affinity: Listen, Skill Affinity: Search, Skill Affinity: Spot, Sleeplessness)

Ranger(10), Shadowdancer(2), Blackguard(28), Elf any Evil

STR: 14
DEX: 15 (16)
CON: 8
WIS: 13
INT: 14
CHA: 14 (26)

01: Ranger(1): Dodge, Favored Enemy: Undeads, R: (Dual Wield)
02: Ranger(2)
03: Ranger(3): Power Attack
04: Ranger(4): DEX+1, (DEX=16)
05: Ranger(5): Favored Enemy: Elves
06: Ranger(6): Cleave
07: Ranger(7)
08: Ranger(8): CHA+1, (CHA=15)
09: Ranger(9): Mobility, R: (ITWF)
10: Ranger(10): Favored Enemy: Outsiders
11: Blackguard(1)
12: Blackguard(2): CHA+1, Weapon Proficiency Exotic, BG: (Smite Good), (CHA=16)
13: Blackguard(3)
14: Blackguard(4)
15: Blackguard(5): Weapon Focus: Two-Bladed Sword
16: Blackguard(6): CHA+1, (CHA=17)
17: Blackguard(7)
18: Blackguard(8): Divine Might
19: Blackguard(9)
20: Blackguard(10): CHA+1, (CHA=18)
21: Shadowdancer(1): Improved Critical: Two-Bladed Sword, SD: (Hide in Plain Sight)
22: Blackguard(11)
23: Blackguard(12)
24: Blackguard(13): CHA+1, Epic Weapon Focus: Two-Bladed Sword, Epic Prowess, (CHA=19)
25: Blackguard(14)
26: Blackguard(15)
27: Blackguard(16): Epic Skill Focus: Hide, Epic Toughness I
28: Blackguard(17): CHA+1, (CHA=20)
29: Blackguard(18)
30: Shadowdancer(2): Epic Skill Focus: Move Silently, SD: (Darkvision, Evasion, Uncanny Dodge I)
31: Blackguard(19): Epic Toughness II
32: Blackguard(20): CHA+1, (CHA=21)
33: Blackguard(21): Great Charisma I, , (CHA=22)
34: Blackguard(22): Epic Toughness III
35: Blackguard(23)
36: Blackguard(24): CHA+1, Great Charisma II, , (CHA=24)
37: Blackguard(25): Epic Toughness IV
38: Blackguard(26)
39: Blackguard(27): Great Charisma III, (CHA=25)
40: Blackguard(28): CHA+1, Epic Toughness V, (CHA=26)


Hitpoints: 456
Skillpoints: 206
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 31/25/27
BAB: 30
AB (max, naked): 36 (melee), 34 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 19/25
Spell Casting: Ranger(2)

Heal 43(44), Hide 33(46), Move Silently 33(46), Tumble 30(33)
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Edited By Cinnabar Din on 02/25/08 04:41

You should type out the actual classes in the topic, imo, and not just un-decipherable abbreviations ._.

How curious... you're burning most of your Blackguard bonus feats on EPIC TOUGHNESSES. What for? Do you realize that boosting constitution would give you a bonus to fortitude saves as well as HP? Besides, if you start with only 12 constitution you get +80 HP immediatly! I would personally drop the Wisdom score to 8.

Delay the 2nd Shadowdancer level to maximize Tumble at 40 ranks.

And then, why Elf? Why 16 dexterity? Make him, dare I say it, human

Finally about the strength/charisma. I don't like going beyond 20 with charisma. It's useless if you have 36 AB, and can't hit anything, no? Usually I make my strength 26 and then see what can I do to make the charisma score better -- 16 is sufficient, 18 is nice, 20 is heaven.

I think you have some serious tweaking to do. I'm quite busy now (then what am I doing here you might ask. No idea. Don't worry, I'm going now ), sorry if I'm now help and just making you angry with my comments

EDIT: typos, that's what happens when you're busy
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Edited By FinneousPJ on 12/05/05 18:27

Finn raises some legitimate concerns:

He doesn't really have a way to improve his AB other than with a Bulls Strength. And, unlike a Paladin/CoT version, he doesn't really any other way to raise it. He doesn't have UMD, spells, Songs, Epic FIend, Epic Prowess, Armor Skin, etc. The 26 Charisma is admirable, but to go so deep with the Charisma and not have Divine Shield is a bit problematic. His Smite is of limited value since he only has one, and even that is only against someone else who is evil. The Ranger adds some interesting features, but I wonder to what extent it is of value given only the 10 levels and 5 point investment for a 13 Wis.

The Shadowdancer might be better replaced by Assassin5 and by dropping 3 levels of BG. While you would lose HiPS and a BG bonus feat, you would gain 2 pre-epic feats, UMD, Darkness (to go along with ultravision) and 3d6 more sneak. It would also give you the capacity for a bit more balance in Epic for Tumble, UMD, Stealth drops.
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Quote: Posted 12/05/05 18:44:48 (GMT) -- grizzled_dwarflord

His Smite is of limited value since he only has one, and even that is only against someone else who is evil.

I am sure you are jesting, because it's a certainty that my Sinister dwarven Lord smites GOOD!
But then again, he's dwarf, he does things right.

Teo, since you invest to 26 in CHA, use it better. At least divine Shield must be taken. The Blackie has good epic feats, Armor skin and Epic prowess being among them. Drop the epic toughness. Depending on your surroundings they are even better spent on Great Smiting. You have enough BG levels for that. Take SD2 on level 37 to max out tumble.

This guy uses the same classes as the Dwarven version, but still it is very different. My Dwarf would spank him.
Just kidding. It is a build with potential, but you need to distribute feats better.

The Assassin path from the Dwarflord is good to.