Neverwinter nights has been out for a while and most builds has been done. I wanted something somewhat new, so I decided on an unarmed fighter build. After completion, I have realised that this build will be unfit for most servers because of it's low damage. The PW I play on has glove damage in the 3d20 range at level 40, so I could easily live with only a d4 natural damage. It has a high number of attacks, self concealment 5, decent AB, decent HP (for a dex build), low damage, low saves.
This is also my first build displayed here, feedback would be nice.
In case somebody didn't figure it out, this is a PvM build that's playable from level 1-40.
Uncanny dodge on 22nd lvl in a dex build? That's not gonna make your life easy at all. Damage output is low, saves are good, will apart (but you've got slippery mind) but you are forgetting to put ranks in spellcraft, your stealth skills (considering you are taking 19 lvls in SD) suck. I'd move some SD preepic, taking monk on 7th lvl (and not on 1st) to qualify for SD asap or otherwise take more monk lvls (6 seems a nice investment KD/IKD, deflect arrows, still mind, purity of body, monk's endurance for 120% speed, more damage with fists) and some FTR in epic to grab, f.e., armor skin and maybe epic will. With no improved stunning fist, your SF DC is kinda low (30) and you've got only 4 uses/day AFAIK since you took 1 lvl monk+extra stun.fist so maybe you'd better be off forgetting about it and free up a feat preepic. Maybe something like Monk 6/FTR 18/SD 16 is gonna be better balanced or just forget monk and build something like FTR 20(16)/Rogue 19/ SD 1(5) and take ISF in epic starting with 18 DEX and 16 WIS. You're better off starting with 18 dex, 16 wis also in this build of yours btw. Also I seem to remember a recent build by the dwarflord...the shadowboxer maybe? Oh, yeah, that's it The Shadowboxer I hope I was helpful
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Getting SD earlier would ease things up but it would hurt BA. I really focused on the 7 attacks per round. Thinking of it though, 5 monk/sd and 15 fighter pre-epic should be enough. This is an interesting idea, I'll look into it.
Extra stunning attacks can be changed into anything you feel like, but as a low int warrior you got most usefull pre-epic feats already.
Lowering dex and getting more wis would be nice (as would more int), but self concealment requires 30 dex and I found it too hard to fit it if I stared with less dex.
Skills does indeed suck, but it's not really supposed to use the stealth skills much. Taking points from disciplin or listen to cross class some spellcraft should be worth it though.
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Yea, sorry, I somehow managed to double post. I've notified the admins so one should be removed soon.
Post in this one as it has the most replies. Hopefully to other will be moved in here.
I tried to build something with more monk and it was not bad but I soon realized that SD is not the way to go with such low damage output. So I changed SD for Rogue and the results were satisfying. You keep ED/SC V, get 10d6 sneaks, an impressive 34 naked AC, maxed UMD and spellcraft, set/disable deadly traps, decent saves, good AB, 120% mov.speed... Give a look at it
Order of the Sneaky Fist (Monk 6/Fighter 14/Rogue 20) Halfling, any lawful PvM, playable 1-40
One could choose to drop 1 Rogue lvl and 2 FTR lvls to go for 9 Monk lvls (all in epic, I'd say), which grants Improved Evasion for free. You loose one epic Fighter feat but get one rogue bonus feat back (slippery mind or crippling strike for EP, maybe?)...and 2 skill points, eh-eh I hope you like it.
Cheers, Kail _________________ Dilegua notte Tramontate stelle Tramontate stelle All'alba vinceṛ Vinceṛ Vinceṛ
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 12/06/05 21:54
Replies from the other "Shadowfist Double post"
Kamiryn
Replace two pre-epic fighter levels with monk. Would give you Deflect Arrows for free, plus Monk Endurance, Still Mind, a few skill points and you don't have to cross-class hide, move silently and tumble.
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Quote: Posted 12/06/05 12:25:59 (GMT) -- anior
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anior
Yes, should indeed have more monk levels. Up to five levels can be taken pre-epic while retaining the 7 attacks per round.
Yes, the shadowboxer is certainly nice. Another unarmed build is 7]Torias Ultimate Monk
Hopfully some mod can close this thread and move the replies to the original post.
Edited By griphook on 12/06/05 22:12
Thanks griphook.
Pendragon: Nice, the BA seems wrong though. It should be 16 which would give it 6 attacks per round. 2/3 * 8 rouge 2/3 * 4 monk 1 * 8 fighter =16 16/3 = 5.3333..
I'm going to try it out some in a training module and come back with more feedback afterwards.
Quote: Posted 12/06/05 15:09:30 (GMT) -- anior
Getting SD earlier would ease things up but it would hurt BA. I really focused on the 7 attacks per round. Thinking of it though, 5 monk/sd and 15 fighter pre-epic should be enough. This is an interesting idea, I'll look into it.
SD earlier would only lower your BAB by 1, so your final would be +43 instead of +44 (as long as you don't take more than 4 levels pre-epic).
You can't get 7 attacks unarmed, btw, unless you're counting FoB or Haste. The most you can get is 6, and moving a SD level pre-epic will still net you the 6 attacks. _________________ Wave upon wave of demented avengers marched cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream...
Yea, typo. 6 attacks per round it is, per the original post.
Quote: Posted 12/06/05 23:33:27 (GMT) -- anior
Thanks griphook.
Pendragon: Nice, the BA seems wrong though. It should be 16 which would give it 6 attacks per round. 2/3 * 8 rouge 2/3 * 4 monk 1 * 8 fighter =16 16/3 = 5.3333..
I'm going to try it out some in a training module and come back with more feedback afterwards.
Actually it's not 2/3 but 3/4.Otherwise count what you lose: -1 at 1st monk lvl, -1 at 1st rogue lvl and -1 at 5th rogue lvl, for a total of -3 AB Therefore BAB=20-3=17 (at 20th lvl)
Thanks Kail. You stated it as having a BAB of 27 in your original post, that's what I reacted on.
Did you concider moving the last two stats points from dex to wis for +1 AC and an increased stunning fist DC?
Including 3 base classes in that rebuild will net you a 20% EXP pentalty, just in case you forgot to mention it _________________ .:\_/:. Only those who have known darkness in (OvO) their hearts will see the shadows in life... (|__|) ..".."..
Quote: Posted 12/07/05 08:42:19 (GMT) -- anior
Thanks Kail. You stated it as having a BAB of 27 in your original post, that's what I reacted on.
Did you concider moving the last two stats points from dex to wis for +1 AC and an increased stunning fist DC?
BAB 27 at 40th lvl, of course. I did consider it but by moving DEX you lose 1 AB and1 AC. Therefore AC evens out, SF DC +1, and +1 to Will saves so I don't think it's really worth it. With some WIS gear your SF DC should be enough for low fortitude guys. I found more interesting going for 9 lvls monk for slightly better damage, more speed, and IE which frees up a rogue bonus feat...crippling strike it's sooo evil
Quote: Posted 12/07/05 09:02:06 (GMT) -- Jennalee
Including 3 base classes in that rebuild will net you a 20% EXP pentalty, just in case you forgot to mention it
True, there's the EXP penalty (which can be mitigated maybe by lvling accordingly) but didn't the original build incur in a EXP penalty already? I assumed that anior was unconcerned about it therefore I forgot
