Introduction: Blessed Warrior of Lolth, Playable from 1 to 40, PvM
While not so much of a stereotypical warrior, I think this represents an Elven warrior type. A fighter whom is dexterious and somewhat fragile in toe-to-toe (well, he's not meant to soak up hard hits from Dragons like a Dwarf could ).
Assassin, I think, suits a Drow well. Evil and dark... that's what I see when I picture an assassin. Blackguard is where Lolth, the god which (who?) the Drow worship, steps in. This character can pray to his god for assistance in combat and his when "handling" his "contracts", for a little boon (which, of course, grows in power with Charisma buffs/equipment).
Ending (8 to Dexterity, 2 to Charisma) ------ Strength 14 Dexterity 28 Constitution 12 Intelligence 14 Wisdom 8 Charisma 20
Levels:
Guide -----
1. Fighter1 - Weapon Finesse * Weapon Focus 2. Fighter2 * Power Attack 3. Fighter3 - Cleave 4. Fighter4 * Weapon Specialization 5. Fighter5 6. Fighter6 - Ambidexterity * Two-Weapon Fighting 7. Fighter7 8. Blackguard1 9. Blackguard2 - Improved Two-Weapon Fighting 10. Blackguard3 11. Blackguard4 12. Blackguard5 - Divine Might 13. Blackguard6 14. Assassin1 15. Blackguard7 - Divine Shield 16. Fighter8 * Knockdown 17. Assassin2 18. Fighter9 - Blind-Fight 19. Assassin3 20. Assassin4 21. Fighter10 - Epic Weapon Focus * Epic Weapon Specialization 22. Assassin5 23. Assassin6 24. Assassin7 - Epic Prowess 25. Assassin8 26. Assassin9 27. Assassin10 - Great Charisma I 28. Assassin11 29. Assassin12 30. Assassin13 - Great Charisma II 31. Assassin14 * Great Dexterity I 32. Assassin15 33. Assassin16 - Great Charisma III 34. Assassin17 35. Assassin18 * Great Dexterity II 36. Assassin19 - Great Charisma IV 37. Assassin20 38. Assassin21 39. Assassin22 - Great Dexterity III * Great Dexterity IV 40. Assassin23
NOTE: Fighter10 can be delayed to get a Discipline/Concentration skill dump if need be. On may also lose Assassin23 for either Fighter or Blackguard, thus losing 1 sneak dice and Death Attack DC for the skill dump. This allows EWS to be picked up at level 21.
Human could be used to gain up to 80 HP (+1 constitution modifier + toughness) or 40 HP + IKD. That'd give up one point in attack as well as AC (and in Reflexes).
2 + 12 = 14 sneak dice, DC 23 + 10 + 2 = 35
For weapons I picked maces ^^
Distribution ------------ Fighter 10/Blackguard 7/Assassin 23
Statistics:
AB -- 29 Base +9 Dexterity +3 Epic Weapon Focus +1 Epic Prowess -2 Dual-Wield -- 40
remaining 90 points are up to the player I suppose. See note after level up guide.
Tell me what you think.
I'd also like to receive opinions on going with Human for a more balanced build. Would you rather play an Elf or Human in this case? ...and no, Dwarf is not an option _________________ < XmikeW> im glad though.. i used to think that -all- finns were supersmart nerds.. but, after seeing 1) (C) law ..2) your culture minister ..and 3) the äm-irk girls... i can say that you guys are definately typical human beings after all [smile_:-)
Nice build Finneous. Nice AB, and nice damage output for a Dex build. I like Drow Assassin builds also. I agree that they go together well.
IKD would be nice to have for sneak attacks. I'm not too familiar with the Divine feats - how many times per day and what duration? I wonder if IKD and Armor Skin would be more valuable than Great Charismas?
As for which race to use, well, Human is definitely attractive due to the extra feat and since you don't maximize Dexterity at level one. But it obviously doesn't fit the whole Drow thing you're going with here.
Now Dwarf, however! I see Duergar written all over this build A Dwarf version could be a wicked Duergar Arms Master or Bounty Hunter. I can easily picture that. Everyone knows they're the best race anyhow.
Assassin, I think, suits a Drow well. Evil and dark... that's what I see when I picture an assassin. Blackguard is where Lolth, the god which (who?) the Drow worship, steps in.
I'd say "whom" since it's the object of the sentence: "Blackguard is where Lolth, the goddess whom the Drow worship, steps in."
Cool build. _________________ Intelligent design is neither. Science over superstition please.
Quote: Nice build Finneous. Nice AB, and nice damage output for a Dex build. I like Drow Assassin builds also. I agree that they go together well.
Thanks for the praise
Quote: IKD would be nice to have for sneak attacks.
True, however there is KD which is often enough.
Quote: I'm not too familiar with the Divine feats - how many times per day and what duration?
Ah, my bad - it's 3 + charisma modifier, ie. 8 uses per day for this guy. Duration equals your charisma modifier, ie. 5 turns unbuffed.
Quote: I wonder if IKD and Armor Skin would be more valuable than Great Charismas?
That depends on the equipment. If you can't get more than a slight boost to charisma, each base score counts. If your server allows you to get +12 on both Dexterity and Charisma the loss of two charisma for Armor Skin and IKD is perhaps even preferable.
Quote: As for which race to use, well, Human is definitely attractive due to the extra feat and since you don't maximize Dexterity at level one. But it obviously doesn't fit the whole Drow thing you're going with here.
Yes - human could be more effective. Elf was chosen for the theme.
Quote: Now Dwarf, however! I see Duergar written all over this build A Dwarf version could be a wicked Duergar Arms Master or Bounty Hunter. I can easily picture that. Everyone knows they're the best race anyhow.
Dwarf are ugly by nature and this nerfs your divine abilities, as they are charisma-based.
Quote: I'd say "whom" since it's the object of the sentence: "Blackguard is where Lolth, the goddess whom the Drow worship, steps in."
I'm no expert in the english grammar but obviously which/whom would be the object. The point here is that whom is used for mostly human beings while which is used for other things. Exampe: "Is that the person whom you love?", compare to "Are these the keys which you lost?" So what I meant is: would Lolth be considered a "person" or not?
EDIT: before you say anything: yes, I do realize that when which/who/what is the object it can be left out, eg. "Is that the person (...) you love?" ("Lolth is the goddess the Drow worship") That's not the point _________________ < XmikeW> im glad though.. i used to think that -all- finns were supersmart nerds.. but, after seeing 1) (C) law ..2) your culture minister ..and 3) the äm-irk girls... i can say that you guys are definately typical human beings after all [smile_:-)
Edited By FinneousPJ on 12/09/05 21:22
Good info in your reply, thanks. And very valid points as to equipment available where the player plays.
As to the grammar discourse, I was pointing out that it's definitely not "who" (subjective, as you had typed in your OP), but "whom" (objective).
Cheers. _________________ Intelligent design is neither. Science over superstition please.
Quote: As to the grammar discourse, I was pointing out that it's definitely not "who" (subjective, as you had typed in your OP), but "whom" (objective).
Oh right, I missed that, thanks I'm getting tired, that's my excuse.
Keep it coming people. _________________ < XmikeW> im glad though.. i used to think that -all- finns were supersmart nerds.. but, after seeing 1) (C) law ..2) your culture minister ..and 3) the äm-irk girls... i can say that you guys are definately typical human beings after all [smile_:-)
So what I meant is: would Lolth be considered a "person" or not?
I'd go for which, considering the Gods as manifestations of a collective subconscious and icons of cosmic/natural forces and not as real beings themselves. In fact, a god without followers would soon disappear into nothingness since there would be no one "making" him/her/it real with their belief...at least according to some theory _________________ Dilegua notte Tramontate stelle Tramontate stelle All'alba vincerņ Vincerņ Vincerņ
Quote: Posted 12/10/05 00:50:49 (GMT) -- Kail Pendragon at least according to some theory
_________________ Intelligent design is neither. Science over superstition please.
I really like this build and concept. I think he would be a lot of fun to play. Well done.
Two things to consider:
1. What about Called Shot in this build? You stealth, you come up behind, you are top-loaded with sneak and death attack and EWS, you catch people flatfooted, they lose all Dex and Dodge AC, and to add insult to injury, you make all your sneak attacks Called Shots: Arm. Just in case they wanted to retaliate.
2. What if you took only 4 levels of Blackguard? I would suggest even 2, but you wouldn't be able to get both divine feats that way-- unless you took BG3. This could give you two more levels for Fighter for another feat(Called Shot), and two more levels of Assassin for a sneak and higher Death Attack DC. However, I can see that part of the reason in taking BG7 is to preserve your pre-epic BAB. You would lose an AB point in dropping 3-4 BG levels, because you still want to reserve some fighter levels to Epic.
The way it is now is just fine, but when I see a build I like, I start fartin' around with it. Once again, nice job, lad. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
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Quote: grizzled_dwarflord I really like this build and concept. I think he would be a lot of fun to play. Well done.
Thanks.
Quote: 1. What about Called Shot in this build? You stealth, you come up behind, you are top-loaded with sneak and death attack and EWS, you catch people flatfooted, they lose all Dex and Dodge AC, and to add insult to injury, you make all your sneak attacks Called Shots: Arm. Just in case they wanted to retaliate.
Well, it sure sounds nice. How would you go about this? I can see a number of ways. The most obvious is dropping Knockdown for Called Shot, but I really like Knockdown in a build like this. Then, if you go with Fighter 10/Blackguard 4/Assassin 26 you effectively gain a feat in the epic levels, which could be used to pick Called Shot. Then there's the option to go human, either with the original level spread to gain 1 additional feat, or a human Fighter 10/Blackguard 4/Assassin 26 to gain 2 feats compared to the original build. That'd make IKD/Called Shot nicely, though the other would still be picked in epic where Armor Skin for example is another choice. Humans lose one dexterity modifier, though. So uhh, what do you think is the best way?
Quote: 2. What if you took only 4 levels of Blackguard? I would suggest even 2, but you wouldn't be able to get both divine feats that way-- unless you took BG3. This could give you two more levels for Fighter for another feat(Called Shot), and two more levels of Assassin for a sneak and higher Death Attack DC. However, I can see that part of the reason in taking BG7 is to preserve your pre-epic BAB. You would lose an AB point in dropping 3-4 BG levels, because you still want to reserve some fighter levels to Epic.
Your sneak dice would actually lose a sneak dive as there's only 7 levels of Blackguard so you'd gain 3 levels - that'd be Fighter 12/Blackguard 4/Assassin 24 then. Nevertheless, it's a point added in your Death Attack DC. Fighter 12 allows one more feat to be picked in pre-epic so it's worth consideration, but in the end Assassin 26 is perhaps better?
No matter what magic you use, you'll end up with 28 BAB if dropping Blacguard levels, and 39 AB (38 with human). Well, it's not a huge tradeoff
Quote: The way it is now is just fine, but when I see a build I like, I start fartin' around with it. Once again, nice job, lad.
Fine, yes, but we're here to make it perfect, aren't we?
EDIT:
Quote: Kail Pendragon I'd go for which, considering the Gods as manifestations of a collective subconscious and icons of cosmic/natural forces and not as real beings themselves. In fact, a god without followers would soon disappear into nothingness since there would be no one "making" him/her/it real with their belief...at least according to some theory
Thanks, now I know everything. _________________ < XmikeW> im glad though.. i used to think that -all- finns were supersmart nerds.. but, after seeing 1) (C) law ..2) your culture minister ..and 3) the äm-irk girls... i can say that you guys are definately typical human beings after all [smile_:-)
I was so lost in my philosophycal ramble that I forgot to add that I love this build of yours...well, at least as much as I can love an elf build :lol Well done, Finn! Kudos to ya
Edit: I'd probably go human and 26 assassin. Called Shot is a nice feat as IKD and AS...pity you can pick just 2 out of 3. As for your leftover skill points Spellcraft and UMD are a must to me. Pity blackguards lvl end so soon in your career, Taunt would have been nice too _________________ Dilegua notte Tramontate stelle Tramontate stelle All'alba vincerņ Vincerņ Vincerņ
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 12/10/05 11:53
So... the human version would pick Knockdown at level 1. Then Called Shot at level 15, and finally there's an open feat at level 27. He also gain 43 skills points which is a nice thing.
The loss, however, is the RP value as well as one dexterity modifier.
My choice would be the elven Fighter 10/Blackguard 4/Assassin 26 with no extra feat on 1st level, but the same open feat at level 27.
Thanks everyone. _________________ < XmikeW> im glad though.. i used to think that -all- finns were supersmart nerds.. but, after seeing 1) (C) law ..2) your culture minister ..and 3) the äm-irk girls... i can say that you guys are definately typical human beings after all [smile_:-)
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A Dwarf version could be a wicked Duergar Arms Master or Bounty Hunter. I can easily picture that. Everyone knows they're the best race anyhow.
