10 Attack High AB Kama Monk, Cleric(26), Champion of Torm(8), Monk(6)

Playable from level 1 - 40 ..PvM, PvP

Don't have a lot of time, hence the unoriginal (but hey descriptive) name.
Started off with a build request for a melee based CLC/MNK build with 34+ levels of Cleric.
But after lots of fiddling ended up with a CLC/MNK/CoT build which to my shame is very close to the below link.
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So why post?
Steve's build above is focused on spell nuking first, then closing for the kill.
This build utilises the Cleric levels for buffing mainly, and has a consistently higher AB in all situations (non buffed, long term buffed, fully buffed)

I consider this a munchkin build, and likely the best combination that can be put together for a CLC/MNK build. Justifications given later.
Check out the fully buffed AB, for melee, it's not to be sniffed at.
And yes it has 10 attacks ><

10 Attack High AB Kama Monk, Cleric(26), Champion of Torm(8), Monk(6)

Race:Human
Alignment: Lawful Good, Lawful Neutral
STR: 12
DEX: 15 (30)
CON: 12
WIS: 16 (20)
INT: 12
CHA: 8

01: Cleric(1): Blind Fight, Extend Spell, Domain Trickery, Domain War
02: Monk(1): M: (Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist)
03: Cleric(2): Weapon Finesse
04: Cleric(3): DEX+1, (DEX=16)
05: Cleric(4)
06: Cleric(5): Weapon Focus: Kama
07: Monk(2): M: (Deflect Arrows)
08: Cleric(6): DEX+1, (DEX=17)
09: Cleric(7): Ambidexterity
10: Cleric(8)
11: Champion of Torm(1)
12: Cleric(9): DEX+1, Two-Weapon Fighting, (DEX=18)
13: Cleric(10)
14: Monk(3)
15: Cleric(11): Improved Critical: Kama
16: Cleric(12): DEX+1, (DEX=19)
17: Cleric(13)
18: Cleric(14): Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
19: Cleric(15)
20: Monk(4): DEX+1, (DEX=20)
21: Champion of Torm(2): Epic Prowess, Epic Weapon Focus: Kama
22: Champion of Torm(3): CT: (Smite Evil)
23: Champion of Torm(4): Great Wisdom I, (WIS=17)
24: Champion of Torm(5): DEX+1, Epic Skill Focus: Discipline, (DEX=21)
25: Champion of Torm(6): Great Wisdom II, (WIS=18)
26: Champion of Torm(7)
27: Champion of Torm(8): Great Dexterity I, Great Wisdom III, (DEX=22), (WIS=19)
28: Cleric(16): DEX+1, (DEX=23)
29: Cleric(17)
30: Cleric(18): Great Dexterity II, (DEX=24)
31: Cleric(19)
32: Monk(5): DEX+1, (DEX=25)
33: Cleric(20): Great Dexterity III, (DEX=26)
34: Cleric(21)
35: Cleric(22)
36: Cleric(23): DEX+1, Great Dexterity IV, Armor Skin, (DEX=28)
37: Cleric(24)
38: Cleric(25)
39: Cleric(26): Great Dexterity V, Great Wisdom IV, (DEX=29), (WIS=20)
40: Monk(6): DEX+1, M: (Knockdown, Improved Knockdown), (DEX=30)

01: Spellcraft(4),
02: Concentration(5), Discipline(5), Tumble(5),
07: Concentration(5), Discipline(5), Tumble(5),
08: Spellcraft(6),
14: Concentration(5), Discipline(5), Tumble(5),
15: Spellcraft(5),
17: Concentration(5), Spellcraft(5),
20: Discipline(5), Tumble(5),
22: Discipline(5),
27: Discipline(5), Spot(18),
28: Concentration(10), Spellcraft(10),
32: Discipline(5), Tumble(10),
33: Concentration(5), Spellcraft(5),
37: Concentration(5), Spellcraft(5),
40: Concentration(3), Discipline(8), Tumble(10),

Skills:
Concentration 43(44),
Discipline 43(54),
Spellcraft 40(41),
Spot 18(23),
Tumble 40(50)

Stats:
Hitpoints: 376
Skillpoints: 184
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 30(38)/ 32(40)/ 35(43)
BAB: 25
AB (max, naked): 39 (melee), 36 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 36/36
Spell Casting: Cleric(9)
Alignment Changes: 0

Attack Progression when Fully Buffed AB with Flurry of Blows activated and mundane Kamas, NOT hasted:

Flurry 1: 61/ 58/ 55
Flurry 2: 52/ 49/ 63/ 63
Flurry 3: 61/ 56

With a haste item that makes 10 attacks, or swap a Domain for Travel, or swap a Great Dex for Blinding Speed, up to you.
Ooooh! A Clicky!
(With random HP rolls). Character screen is ofc wrong due to AB cap, but it looks pretty at least.

Progression with longterm buffs (minimum 1 turn/level spells) + extended DP (52 rounds) with Flurry of Blows activated and mundane Kamas, not hasted:

Flurry 1: 50/ 47/ 44
Flurry 2: 41/ 38/ 52/ 52
Flurry 3: 50/ 45

Advantages:

High buffed and unbuffed AB
High Saves (36(44) /42(50) /36(44) buffed)
High AC (buffed mundane robe = 58) & Improved Invis for SC 50%
Level 9 Cleric Spells and Extend spell, can easily get ICC if desired.
Monk speed, IKD, Blind Fight etc
With Haste, 5 attacks made at 60+ AB a round
Average HP, 616 buffed
Resists Combat Feats: 54 Discipline, 59 buffed

Disadvantages:

Low Cleric DCs, buffing not offensive.
No Uncanny Dodge, but True Sight to compensate. If TS nerfed, max Spot.
Damage fair, good for a Dex build. 1-6 + 25 + DF dmg (11-16) on main hand.

Comments:

26 Cleric levels ensure only Mordenkainen's Disjunction can strip buffs.
6 Monk levels for IKD
Flexibility: If you want more skill points eg for Hide, change STR to 10 and INT to 14 = another maxed skill.
If you want CC and Improved Combat casting swap out Extend spell and ESF:Disc

In short, this sort of build is why Kamas have a tendency to be banned on PWs and PvP arenas.

EDIT: This is what happens when you leave builds sitting around on your computer instead of posting them
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Ithacan's build has the same level split and very similar starting and end stats.
But I feel he is still struggling to retain both spell casting abilities and melee ability.
To this end all but two of his bonus CoT feats have been used pre-epic to gain Empower, Maximise/Spell Pen and Extend and yet the build hasn't got CC or ICC.

But even so, they are very similar and so credit should go to him for posting earlier, hence the link.
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Edited By pocketbeetle on 12/15/05 01:42

i like the build.
but kamas are banned on my server
wad other changes/weapons to the build would you suggest i'm thinking of dual wielding maces
is it a good idea? If you go with anything but kamas or unarmed, you'll lose the Monk attack schedule.
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Quote: Posted 12/15/05 09:30:57 (GMT) -- Khandahr

Also, no uncanny means be wary of mobs.

No, but it means: be sure not to be caught flat-footed. Grizz has released a book. 101 ways to be caught flat-footed!

And dex builds, also this, isn't the hardest to KD. If KD'd once while flatfooted, do the maths.

But it is a tough build, but as you say yourself, no invention. But well-planned and nicely tuned.

Quote: Posted 12/17/05 08:36:38 (GMT) -- Grimnir77
And dex builds, also this, isn't the hardest to KD. If KD'd once while flatfooted, do the maths.

Hence ESF:Disc

Quote:
But it is a tough build, but as you say yourself, no invention. But well-planned and nicely tuned.

Much appreciated, ty.
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Quote: Posted 12/17/05 08:36:38 (GMT) -- Grimnir77

Quote: Posted 12/15/05 09:30:57 (GMT) -- Khandahr

Also, no uncanny means be wary of mobs.

No, but it means: be sure not to be caught flat-footed. Grizz has released a book. 101 ways to be caught flat-footed! And dex builds, also this, isn't the hardest to KD. If KD'd once while flatfooted, do the maths.

But it is a tough build, but as you say yourself, no invention. But well-planned and nicely tuned.

Uncanny dodge is a good point when surrounded and attacked by 3 or more spawns.
When that occurs dodge/dex AC is being removed, not sure if it started with patch 1.65 but since that has come out some of my divine shield builds I play (without uncanny dodge) are definitely being hit for less ac in this situation, while uncanny dodge builds are fine.

I also notice monk Wis ac is lost on my druid when incurring attack of opportunity from casting.

Edited By lala_truthsayer on 12/18/05 23:16

Quote: Posted 12/18/05 23:15:08 (GMT) -- lala_truthsayer

Uncanny dodge is a good point when surrounded and attacked by 3 or more spawns.
When that occurs dodge/dex AC is being removed, not sure if it started with patch 1.65 but since that has come out some of my divine shield builds I play (without uncanny dodge) are definitely being hit for less ac in this situation, while uncanny dodge builds are fine.

That explains a few things I experienced in the past. I just noticed it when people were sneak attacking me (You do notice your STR fading....) and thought you counted as flatfooted when sneak attacked. Can someone who is good at using debugger test this? Perhaps don't post in this thread.... Sorry for that.

But now uncanny dodge just became all the more importante, senor's. *edited to remove innane question that proved i'm blind and don't know how to read*

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Edited By twiztidcabbie on 12/22/05 21:01

How can you have 10 attacks when you only took 1 level of CoT pre-epic?

Quote: Posted 01/05/06 06:58:47 (GMT) -- grevishimself

How can you have 10 attacks when you only took 1 level of CoT pre-epic?

Divine power
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Vincerò first thing:
This build rocks kills ppl!
Never knew that kama's are banned because of this reason... ah well

second thing:
what spells do you take at what level?
I'm a cleric player myself, but I hardly use buff spells... so some help here would be nice

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Member of the Epic Character Builders Guild pretty nice build but I was wondering what do you guys think of replacing CoT with Blackguard? IMO the CHA bonus isnt high enough to really appreciate the effect of smite evil. With BG you gain a stacking bull STR wich further improv your damage as well as a bit of sneak against your KDed opponent and still get the bonus to saving throws.

Whats your thoughts on that?
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"Y'a pire que ne pas pouvoir, y'a savoir qu'on peut et ne jamais tenter" He's lose 3 Great WIS and EWF hey all, just wanted to say that i've been playing this build on a pw and it is highly playable from level 1 through (currently 16). with all the cleric buffs and a nice set of kamas...he kicks up some major dust to be sure.
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Come Join Us!! I forgot about this spell called Divine Power.

I forgot about it cos I was on a server which disabled DP...

Also I have this build (with 4lvls of Cot pre-epic) and a similiar 21ranger/17cleric/2monk build, both are good dual kama builds.

Quote: Posted 01/07/06 14:59:29 (GMT) -- grevishimself

I forgot about this spell called Divine Power.

I forgot about it cos I was on a server which disabled DP...

Also I have this build (with 4lvls of Cot pre-epic) and a similiar 21ranger/17cleric/2monk build, both are good dual kama builds.

As noted in the original post, my Walks with God v.3 takes CoT pre-epic to shore up the attack/round and AB: Click Here

There are tradeoffs but this one - like many others with this level split - rocks. My only concern is mobs/flat-footed AC.

Oh, and my server also disabled Divine Power, so I get 10 attacks the old-fashioned way.