Welcome. This is my first build and also my favorite character(i just love evil Monk assassin - a master of dealing quick, lethal blows with bare hands)
This build is an attempt to combine Assassin Death Attacks with Monk Stunning Fist ability.
Here we go.
Playable 1-40 PvM (lvl 40 PvP)
Deathfist (Monk10/Fighter4/Assassin26)
Advantages: -13 x Stunning Fist DC48 -13D6 Death Attack DC38 -Assassin spells -Monk bonus feats and speed -Immunity to disease -Good AC -UMD
Disadvantages: -Weak against enemies immune to sneak attack or critical hit -AB seems to be a little low, but i played with this guy in many modules and he never had a problem with AB (it all depends from gloves,items with DEX bonus and scrolls you can find). -Low Hit Points
Race: Human
Alignment: Lawful Evil
Base Attributes STR 10 DEX 16 CON 10 WIS 16 INT 14 CHA 8
Final Level Distribution Monk 10 Assassin 26 Fighter 4
Feats Level 1 (Monk 1): Blind Fight, Toughness Level 3 (Monk 2): Weapon Finesse Level 4 (Monk 4): +1 DEX Level 6 (Monk 6): Weapon Focus (Unarmed Strike) Level 8 (Assassin 2): +1 DEX Level 9 (Assassin 3): Called Shot Level 12 (Assassin 6): Improved Critical (Unarmed Strike) Level 15 (Assassin 9): Extra Stunning Attacks Level 16 (Assassin 10): +1 WIS Level 18 (Monk 8 ) : Great Fortitude Level 20 (Monk 10): +1 WIS Level 21 (Assassin 11): Epic Weapon Focus (Unarmed Strike) Level 24 (Assassin 14): +1 DEX; Epic Prowess, Great Dexterity I Level 27 (Fighter 1): Improved Stunning Fist I, Improved Stunning Fist II Level 28 (Assassin 17): +1 WIS Level 29 (Assassin 18): Great Dexterity II Level 30 (Fighter 2): Improved Stunning Fist III, Improved Stunning Fist IV Level 32 (Assassin 20): +1 DEX Level 33 (Fighter 3): Improved Stunning Fist V Level 35 (Assassin 22): Great Dexterity III Level 36 (Assassin 23): +1 DEX; Great Dexterity IV Level 39 (Fighter 4): Improved Stunning Fist VI, Improved Stunning Fist VII Level 40 (Assassin 26): +1 DEX; Great Dexterity V
Final Attributes STR 10 DEX 28 CON 10 WIS 19 INT 14 CHA 8
Final Saves Fortitude 22 Reflex 33 Will 24
Hit Points 316 (Maxed every level)
AC 33 (Naked, no buffs)
AB and Damage Naked, No buffs AB - 37/34/31/28/25 Damage - 1D10 (19-20 x2) +13D6 Death Attack
Stunning Fist DC - 48 Max Stunning Fist DC - 54(+12WIS) Death Attack DC - 38 Max Death Attack DC - 44(+12INT)
When you sneak attack with Stunning Fist, enemy must make 3 fortitude saves before can even react (first on SF DC48 and second/third on DA DC38, and that is DC without buffing any of your stats with items or potions). If your oponent is immune to paralyze, you can stun him and still get 3 rounds of free Death Attacks (max 65d6 damage in one round).
This character was tested in Novice to Epic Character Maker and he have no problem even with 2Fighterslv40, 2Wizardslv40, 2Rogueslv40 and 1Clericlv40 summoned at the same time.With Darkness(for HIPS) and stun/paralyze/IKD/called shot was able to kill them all before Darkness has expired (DA paralyze effect can be very efective against bunch of enemies when you know how to use it, and with Stunning Fist is even more efective).
Any Comments, sugestions or advices for this build?
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 05/27/10 20:44
Whoa. This looks very nice. You have succeeded where I have failed. One thing: you have ISFs being taken prior to Wisdom 19. Am I correct to assume that Wis19 is not a prereq for ISF? And if so, what is the correct number. I made a stunning fister and was having a devil of a time trying to get that Wisdom19 in time to make ISFs worth a damn. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
Ariel, Ookla, RIDE!
Very well done to get a workable DC for death attack as well as a very nice DC for stunning fist in the same build.
The AB is a concern to me because I think you won't hit super-duper epic enemies very often with it, the way that some PWs have them built. However, the plus side is that once you do hit something with one of your disabling attacks, it's liable to be in a lot of trouble. _________________ Experience is the mother of good judgement; bad judgement is the father of experience.
Yeah I though ISF required WIS 19. Maybe he swapped a DEX increase for a WIS one when writing down the build.
Why so many ranks in intimidate? Spellcraft would be more useful. Also you might consider going halfling: +1AB, +1AB (ranged), +1 AC, +1 to all ST and all the other boni, you could start with 17 DEX (other stats stay the same) and therefore end with 20 WIS for +1 ref save, another +1 AC, +1 stunning fist DC at the cost of 43 skill points, one feat (which the halfling's boni make up for: the +1AB alone is like EP, or the +1 to ST is like LoH for example) and 1d8 instead od 1d10 on your damage (-1 DMG on average) and xp penalty from 27th lvl.
That said, very well done. Kudos to the Deathfist
Cheers, Kail _________________ Dilegua notte Tramontate stelle Tramontate stelle All'alba vinceṛ Vinceṛ Vinceṛ
One thing: you have ISFs being taken prior to Wisdom 19. Am I correct to assume that Wis19 is not a prereq for ISF? And if so, what is the correct number.
Sorry. My mistake. ISF needs 19 WIS and 19 DEX so it should be: Level 24 (Assassin 14): +1 WIS; Epic Prowess, Great Dexterity I Level 27 (Fighter 1): Improved Stunning Fist I, Improved Stunning Fist II Level 28 (Assassin 17): +1 DEX
Why so many ranks in intimidate? Spellcraft would be more useful.
Only for RP purposes, nothing more. Always have at least one "social" skill maxed - thats my goal.
Edited By Dralik Galley on 12/20/05 18:02
Very nice job. The only thing I notice, is that you have 10 Monk levels and 10 Assassin levels before level 20. If you could break them so they conform to the Rule of Fours (if you don't already know, see Terra's BAB and Attacks Per Round FAQ you would gain +1 AB. Perhaps 10 Monk / 8 Assassin / 2 Fighter; or 12 Monk / 8 Assassin.
This may mess up your epic feat selection, though, so you may want to keep it the way it is.
Anyway, nice build; it looks good.
Edited By dmuzzy on 12/20/05 18:49
Quote: Posted 12/20/05 18:48:21 (GMT) -- dmuzzy
Very nice job. The only thing I notice, is that you have 10 Monk levels and 10 Assassin levels before level 20. If you could break them so they conform to the Rule of Fours (if you don't already know, see Terra's BAB and Attacks Per Round FAQ you would gain +1 AB. Perhaps 10 Monk / 8 Assassin / 2 Fighter; or 12 Monk / 8 Assassin.
He had to take a 10/10 split because he only has 10Monk levels total, can only fit 10Assn pre-epic, and had to conserve all four fighter levels to acquire 3 ISFs. Otherwise, you would be correct. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
One of the reasons you will see post on a build state that we appreciate the use of a standard format is cuz it makes missin simple things alot easier!
Your build is correct as posted! You simply missed wisdom 16 at lv 12. Doin this you get wis 19 at lv 20 and all the rest is perfect.
btw, this is the first monk build that I am actually drawn to play (I find the monk class interesting wrt builds, but I cant seem to get into playin them thru in game).
Edited By griphook on 12/20/05 20:46
this build got my interest. never even considered the improved stunning fist feat. now I'm thinking of other ways to fit it into builds. thanks for posting it.
Quote: Posted 12/20/05 18:48:21 (GMT) -- dmuzzy
Very nice job. The only thing I notice, is that you have 10 Monk levels and 10 Assassin levels before level 20. If you could break them so they conform to the Rule of Fours (if you don't already know, see Terra's BAB and Attacks Per Round FAQ you would gain +1 AB. Perhaps 10 Monk / 8 Assassin / 2 Fighter; or 12 Monk / 8 Assassin.
This may mess up your epic feat selection, though, so you may want to keep it the way it is.
Anyway, nice build; it looks good.
Thanks for advice but:
It's only +1 AB and if you want high SF DC then Assassin level must be reduced. You lose few points DA DC and one Great Dexterity(Assassin bonus feat on 26lv). So in fact you lose this +1 AB.
With Darkness(for HIPS) and stun/paralyze/IKD/called shot ...
HIPS? _________________ Intelligent design is neither. Science over superstition please.
Darkness is the poor man's HiPS.
Although I don't know if that's what the OP was driving at. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
Cast darkness, stealth behind enemy and try to paralyze, run back into darknes, hide again, wait few seconds(for combat mode end) and repeat.
Edited By Dralik Galley on 12/21/05 17:11
skills are added wrong at first lvl you can't take 4 in tumble, Hide, Move silently and discipline AND have 12 points left. only would have 8 left. Error is continued down the line.
//yes i know its an old post but people still find and use these for build templates.
Edited By TemplariDM on 05/25/10 05:24
Quote: Posted 05/25/10 05:23 (GMT) -- TemplariDM
skills are added wrong at first lvl you can't take 4 in tumble, Hide, Move silently and discipline AND have 12 points left. only would have 8 left. Error is continued down the line.
Again, assuming basic maths hasn't changed since I went to school in the last Millenia, he gets 4x4 from Monk, 2x4 from INT 14 and 4 from being human for a total of 7x4=28.
Spending 16 on Tumble, Hide, Move silently and Discipline would leave him with 12 as written. Must've been avado which ate the 4 you're missing. _________________ We are sons of Odin, and the fire that we burn inside is the legacy of warrior-kings who reign above in the sky I will lead the charge, my sword into the wind Sons of Odin fights to die and live again
Quote: Posted 05/25/10 10:56 (GMT) -- Grimnir77 Spending 16 on Tumble, Hide, Move silently and Discipline would leave him with 12 as written. Must've been avado which ate the 4 you're missing.
WOW! Totally unprovoked aggression towards avado there In ALL my playing days, i NEVER worried about skill points (reflected in my constant use of 10 or less int half orc clerics )... Thanks Grim.. now im gonna cry all day long
My observation would have been slightly different: kail, griz, xylo and dmuzzy DONT miss much! If this build, as old as it is, was commented on by them, it is a safe bet it is "legal".
Hey, I was asked by a friend to revise a build of his with this class combo. I looked into it and came up with a little different version of this character. The spread is a little different and also I went on to try and at least diminish this guy's main weakness: Damage against Sneak Immune / Crit Immune / High DR monsters by getting WS / EWS Unarmed while trying not to lose too much. Here's the end result. Please tell me what you think, since I know very little about this class combo, especially Assassin.
The AB has to be wrong, since you listed yours as 37 and I get 1 extra pre-epic BAB while losing 2 Great Dex's so one of us has made a mistake (actually either you made a mistake or my CBC is off.. )
Take it EZ!
Quote: Posted 07/04/10 23:22 (GMT) -- Maximillian Kane The AB has to be wrong, since you listed yours as 37 and I get 1 extra pre-epic BAB while losing 2 Great Dex's so one of us has made a mistake (actually either you made a mistake or my CBC is off.. )
Looks like it's the CBC. My rough count has an AB of 38. 26BAB + 8DEX + 3EWF + 1 EP = 38.
Quote: Posted 07/05/10 04:53 (GMT) -- onion eater
Quote: Posted 07/04/10 23:22 (GMT) -- Maximillian Kane The AB has to be wrong, since you listed yours as 37 and I get 1 extra pre-epic BAB while losing 2 Great Dex's so one of us has made a mistake (actually either you made a mistake or my CBC is off.. )
Looks like it's the CBC. My rough count has an AB of 38. 26BAB + 8DEX + 3EWF + 1 EP = 38.
In ALL my playing days, i NEVER worried about skill points (reflected in my constant use of 10 or less int half orc clerics 
