ab 27 base 3 epic weapon focus 1 epic prowess 10 wis (assuming 30 wis with items/buffs) 3 divine power 5 divine favor 1 bless 1 aid 1 prayer 2 battletide 1 bard song 11 aa ------ 66 (62 without items, assuming roll of 4 from owl's) 64 (with rapid shot) 60 (called rapid shot)
ac 10 base 8 fullplate 8 tumble 1 dex 5 magic vestiment 4 sof 5 barkskin 4 haste (assuming haste item) 14 divine shield (assuming 38 cha with items/buffs) ---------- 62 (54 without magic items, assuming a roll of 4 from eagle's, 63 with 3 hour mage armor from bard )
max hps 168 aa 128 cleric 18 bard ----- 314
damage (assuming +5 mighty bow) 1-8 longbow 5 mighty (20 str from divine power + bull's str) 11 aa 14 divine might (38 cha with items/buffs) 1-6 (1d6 damage flare arrow) ------------- 32-44 (96-132 crit)
192-792 per round if all attacks hit (assuming extra haste attack) (160-660 without haste)
28-40 (84-120 crit) without +cha items, assuming 4 roll from eagle's 140-600 per round (no +cha or haste item)
saves: (base,max buffed with items,max buffed vs spells) fort: 23 29 37 reflex: 22 28 36 will: 25 31 39
alternatives: could do 1 bard/9 cleric/10 aa pre-epic to get ii as soon as possible. 22 aa for an extra feat (epic toughness seems like the only one worth taking).
pros, high damage archer! decent support char (has a couple of mass heals, rez, greater restoration, etc...).
cons, low hps (hopefully party will protect you), not many skills, requires micromanagement of ab spells and divine might, easily dispelled, xp penalty.
ok guys, tear him apart
Edited By griphook on 12/26/05 15:33
whoops, forgot cleric buffs from damage calculations.
damage (assuming +5 mighty bow) 1-8 longbow 5 mighty (20 str from divine power + bull's str) 11 aa 14 divine might (38 cha with items/buffs) 1-6 (1d6 damage flare arrow) 5 divine favor 2 battetide 1 prayer 2 bard song ------------- 42-54 (126-162 crit)
252-972 per round if all attacks hit (assuming extra haste attack) (210-810 without haste)
38-50 (114-150 crit) without +cha items, assuming 4 roll from eagle's 190-750 per round (no +cha or haste item)
Quote: Posted 12/20/05 23:09:22 (GMT) -- jjjhhhlll ok guys, tear him apart
Lol, no need to tear him apart - but my question still stands: Why not 15 CLC / 22 AA? Gives you an extra feat and you still keep level 8 spells.
edit: And no Discipline? _________________ The following statement is true. The above statement is false.
Edited By pocketbeetle on 12/21/05 00:17
16 cleric gives more mass heal. 22 aa, sure 1 feat, but there aren't many good choices. I'd rather have 2 rounds/turns more for my short term ab and damage buffs (mostly a playability decision).
discipline won't be needed if you play the character correctly. this char really requires a party. if melee folks are advancing, you have 2 options. 1. run to lure them into somebody that can withstand their attacks. 2. attempt to called shot them, and then lure them into somebody else.
discipline would be nice to protect against called shots from other archers, not not essential to the build. (also where I play there are kd immunity items). even without kd items, the ai won't try a knockdown if your ac is high enough.
this playstyle is also the reason that combat casting/improved combat casting are not essential. nobody is going to be hacking away at you for long if you play this way. concentration allows you to cast while enemy archers are hitting you.
If you want discipline, start with 13 base cha and put the saved points into str, dex, con and int. your cha based feats won't last as long, but will still be effective with 13 damage and ac. +str to make it easier to hit whatever mighty limit you have and +dex for your reflex save.
Edited By jjjhhhlll on 12/21/05 00:30
Nice build J. Good breakdown. Great damage for a non-sneaking archer. Very fun to play, but you have to keep recasting divines (might/shield/power/favor).
-pc
Why not go Half-Elf and avoid an XP penalty? _________________ Intelligent design is neither. Science over superstition please.
As was stated in the RareBreed thread: Elf with XP penalty or Half-elf and martial feat since Bard and Cleric can't use a bow.
