All right, no story. this is the first build i've posted here. this one is worked from memory, as i lost the paper with it on . Here we go:
EDIT: found this build which is similar, but i used more COn and no CHA. Black Knight by billb0 In many ways, mine is a higher damaging verson of billb0's. i have higher AB and damage, with lower sneak attack.
Very playable 1-40 PvM,powerful PvP character Human, Any Evil
Starting stats:
STR-16 (All Statups into STR) DEX-13 CON-16 WIS-8 INT-13 CHA-8
I chose to up discipline and lore every level. 40 lore may not be important, but i like to add it, as it gves the character a very "knowledgeable" feel. Discipline's use is obvious, and is boosted highly by the STR modifier. i CCed 20 points tumble, for +4AC. i also CCed 9 spellcraft (boosted to 10 through INT) for a +2 to spell saves. No spares
EDIT: forgot to include all the prereq skills
Fighting syle:
I because of the sheer brute power of this build, there are many ways It can be played. I prefer to use it as a tank, using knockdown and then it’s sneak attacks to dish out damage comparable to Rogue attacking a flat footed opponent in melee. This build’s strength also lies in it’s versatility, as it can fight crit and sneak immune foes without worry, because of it’s large STR bonus.
Advantages:
High damage output against any type of enemy High AB means IKD will succeed often IKD means every hit has a +4 to attack and +7d6 sneak attack damage High HPs means that he can tank and dish out damage. Very useful in any environment. HUGE crits. A sneak crit can do easily over 200 damage with a mundane weapon.
Disadvantages:
Low AC. This means he will get hit often, although his large amount of HPs means that he won’t need to worry about this too much, as I he can just take the hits and strike back with his huge crits. Low skill points. His low INT and core classes means there are very few skill points to spare. This is a problem in social skill servers, but who needs to talk nice when you can kill everyone? No damage reduction. I know it’s a major flaw. But it has nice enough HPs as it is and therefore should still have surviveability.
FAQ:
Why 8 WM? The 8th level of WM can be used anywhere, it just gets no feats or extra skills, so I opted for another Ki Damage
What is the advantage of this build over WM heavy builds? This build has versatility. While WM only builds may struggle against enemies that are the same setup, because of their crits and so on, this buld plows through them with it’s IKD-sneak tactic, and leaves other weapon master’s eating it’s evil dust
What would be this character’s role in a party? There is no “set” role for this character. He can adapt from a damage taking tank to a supporting role as a flank attacker. He can also hold off multiple enemies without worry whilst other party members heal and rapidly and strategically withdraw.
what kind of world suits this character? Any. That’s the simple answer. There are so many different jobs this character can do, it can function in almost any environment. In a Low-magic world, its fiendish servant comes into play, and also he can self buff with bull’s strength, meaning that he has high survivability.
Any and all feedback is always welcome. Constructive criticism is always wanted.
Thanks, -Eddie
PS. This build is remember the when referring to this build _________________ Dwarves hate to be mistaken for Gnomes. Even Gnomes hate to be mistaken as Gnomes. They prefer people to think of them as small, effeminate Dwarves.
Very nice. You get a BG who truly can fight. Epic prowess is a BG bonus feat, but you haven't taken it. Trade Epic toughness for epic prowess. Don't take 8WM, yes none of the other classes get anything for the extra lvl either, but switching it for fighter or BG, will give you their feats 1 level earlier. If you want you can take that 8th lvl in the end anyhow.
As for KD, the scythe counts as a large weapon, giving your opponents +4 DC to resist it, right? A crit/sneak with this char is probably a sight to behold. If IWWA is possible to get to, try it. It would reduce weaker mobs to dust in one attack.
Also worth noting, if you can boost your CHA, do it, your saves are LOW!
Nice build. Drop lore and pump SC to 19 for a +4 to saves vs spells. Your saves really suck and you are gonna need that more than lore. Otherwise put the points from lore into Taunt which is a class skill for BG and it gives you the capacity to lower your foes AB up to -6 AB. Also, why going for Ov.Crit and then not getting Dev Crit? I see the point of not going the DevCrit route if that is done to free up feats, but going to through the effort of getting ov.crit and then not taking dev crit seems odd to me. Epic fiendish servant is another available feat (instead of epic toughness) which can help generating sneaks. Last but not least, use a better format when posting a build, the one you used is not easily readable. There's a "free template" here.
IWWA needs a high dex (23) which this build is never gonna get.
Cheers, Kail _________________ Dilegua notte Tramontate stelle Tramontate stelle All'alba vincerò Vincerò Vincerò
Nice build. Drop lore and pump SC to 19 for a +4 to saves vs spells. Your saves really suck and you are gonna need that more than lore. Otherwise put the points from lore into Taunt which is a class skill for BG and it gives you the capacity to lower your foes AB up to -6 AB. Also, why going for Ov.Crit and then not getting Dev Crit? I see the point of not going the DevCrit route if that is done to free up feats, but going to through the effort of getting ov.crit and then not taking dev crit seems odd to me. Epic fiendish servant is another available feat (instead of epic toughness) which can help generating sneaks. Last but not least, use a better format when posting a build, the one you used is not easily readable. There's a "free template" here.
IWWA needs a high dex (23) which this build is never gonna get.
Cheers, Kail
thanks for the link, ll keep it in mind. the lore thing too, probably a good point. i usually never put dev crit in a build because it isnt allowed on so many servers, that i think it would be better if i just forwent it. That and it's nice to see what sort of damage this thing can do...i was a little be when i tested it... those sneak crits are fearsome to behold... _________________ Dwarves hate to be mistaken for Gnomes. Even Gnomes hate to be mistaken as Gnomes. They prefer people to think of them as small, effeminate Dwarves.
Quote: Posted 12/24/05 13:15:44 (GMT) -- Grimnir77 As for KD, the scythe counts as a large weapon, giving your opponents +4 DC to resist it, right?
Nope. Weapon size has nothing to do with KD. It only comes into play with Disarm.
KD and IKD are always performed at a -4 penalty to hit. The difference in racial size modifies the Discipline check (and IKD treats your character as 1 size category larger).
Quote: Also worth noting, if you can boost your CHA, do it, your saves are LOW!
This is a very good point (Edmonds, you may want to take note of this). As the build stands (with 8 CHA), the BG's Dark Blessing feat actually gives the character a -1 penalty to all saves. _________________ Wave upon wave of demented avengers marched cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream...
Pretty interesting fighter-blackguard type build. Should make quite a nice "reaper" for cannonfodder type enemies and anything that doesn't have spells or spell-like attacks.
Your defenses are relatively weak, especially your saves. You're really going to need to carry clarity potions. You will want to take epic prowess, and you might want to change epic toughness 1 to epic skill focus (discipline) because you'll be easy to hit with penalized attacks like knockdowns, called shots, and disarms.
I understand why you take O Crit considering you're a WM and you've got a weapon with a big crit modifier. When you crit something, ouch! _________________ Experience is the mother of good judgement; bad judgement is the father of experience.
Quote: Posted 12/24/05 20:05:49 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din
Quote: Also worth noting, if you can boost your CHA, do it, your saves are LOW!
This is a very good point (Edmonds, you may want to take note of this). As the build stands (with 8 CHA), the BG's Dark Blessing feat actually gives the character a -1 penalty to all saves.
i was thinking lower CON to 12 and hitch CHA to 14, which would boost saves. i just didnt want to take away from the "tankability" of the build. i gave it a lot of HPs to counter the low defense. i was also thinking of making a tank with DwD instead of BG. same idea, but with a more major investment into CON and hopefully topping the 1k hp mark.
How i see it, the 10ftr/8WM/22 (any class here) works very well, as it garantees at least 28 BAB, meaning there's a high chance of getting high 40's AB. i mean, if you swapped BG with rogue in this combo, the sneaks wouldn't be devastating, they'd be supernatural! perhaps even more than it is! _________________ Dwarves hate to be mistaken for Gnomes. Even Gnomes hate to be mistaken as Gnomes. They prefer people to think of them as small, effeminate Dwarves.
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Also the evil crippling strike ^_^. One of my all time favourite feats.. KD.. make them unable to hit you.. KILL..
Oh.. yeah.. this build took BG.. ^_^. It's nice.. finally something more amusing than "me weapon master. you sword. me hit people. rawr" and this one gets his fiendish friend to come on picnics gotta love the BG. chow!
-DaMouse
Not wanting to nag, dude, but wouldn't expertise be of need here? As far as I know, expertise is a pre-requisite for taking whirlwind attack, and thus for weapon master, and you apparently missed it. Otherwise a great build, but you'll need to rearrange your level progression pre-epic I'm afraid.
I understand why you take O Crit considering you're a WM and you've got a weapon with a big crit modifier. When you crit something, ouch!
When you're already critting for 200 damage is the +4d6 (I think it should be +4d6 with x5) extra damage really worth Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave and Overwhelming Critical?
And another thing - I don't think anyone in this thread actually stated that Sneak Attack damage is not multiplied. It's just added to the multiplied "weapon damage" (inc. damage bonuses) as is the Overwhelming bonus.
So I've read, at least _________________ Surely, without war there would be no loss - hence, no mourning, no grief, no pain, no misery...
Not wanting to nag, dude, but wouldn't expertise be of need here? As far as I know, expertise is a pre-requisite for taking whirlwind attack, and thus for weapon master, and you apparently missed it. Otherwise a great build, but you'll need to rearrange your level progression pre-epic I'm afraid.
oops. replace PA at lvl 3 with expertise, and get PA instead of KD, and KD instead of IKD...and instead of Grt toughness I get IKD. total HPs = 580 now _________________ Dwarves hate to be mistaken for Gnomes. Even Gnomes hate to be mistaken as Gnomes. They prefer people to think of them as small, effeminate Dwarves.
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looks fun, ive always been wanting to make a character with a scythe. but how come you say hes powerful in pvp? wouldnt mages and sneaks we whooping his butt because of terrible saves and no UMD/spot/listen? which 3rd class would make him pvp compabtible in a low magic world?
looks fun, ive always been wanting to make a character with a scythe. but how come you say hes powerful in pvp? wouldnt mages and sneaks we whooping his butt because of terrible saves and no UMD/spot/listen? which 3rd class would make him pvp compabtible in a low magic world?
He can be powerful in PvP even though some types of enemies can beat him. And a sneaker will have trouble unless he has HiPS, since a sneaker build can have a little troule KD'ing him. He doesn't say it's unbeatable. It isn't. But I'm sure it can hold a presence. Especially in group PvP. A slugger with sneak capabilities and good crits will be noticed. He has quite nice AB to, you know.
Edited By Grimnir77 on 12/30/05 16:04
he'll get noticed for sure! and then killed with a single wail. im building him anyways hehe.
Quote: Posted 12/30/05 16:00:07 (GMT) -- Grimnir77 A slugger with sneak capabilities and good crits will be noticed. He has quite nice AB to, you know.
by sneak capabilites he means sneak attack, not how to hide...lol. and what sort of server doesnt let you get immune to death magic at some point? not any i play, thats for sure. _________________ Dwarves hate to be mistaken for Gnomes. Even Gnomes hate to be mistaken as Gnomes. They prefer people to think of them as small, effeminate Dwarves.
Quote: Posted 12/30/05 16:00:07 (GMT) -- Grimnir77 A slugger with sneak capabilities and good crits will be noticed. He has quite nice AB to, you know.
by sneak capabilites he means sneak attack, not how to hide...lol. and what sort of server doesnt let you get immune to death magic at some point? not any i play, thats for sure.
I understand the fellow is talking about PvP. Don't you think it'd be kind of unfair for the mages? And for a balanced server (PvP or not) there should be no Immunity items or items that give class-specific abilities at all (boots of stealth with HiPS, yay). In my opinion, of course.
So, to answer your question briefly: a balanced server. As far as I'm concerned _________________ Surely, without war there would be no loss - hence, no mourning, no grief, no pain, no misery...
yep, no immunity items on my server!
But for a group PvP you might party with a cleric or druid? And besides perhaps save or/and some stat boosts... Who knows. CON boost, CHA boost and a small save boost and he can easily be up at least 5-10 points+. That's a beauty of Blackie's. You know guys, planning.
im going to try a DD version.
the starting stats are already very nice
16 STR 13 DEX 18 CON 8 WIS 13 INT 8 CHA
with his high HP and DR he will be able to tank better than the BG version but he sacrifices the sneak attacks which is a big con. but on the server i play on (3towns), 600hp, low ac, no DR just dont cut it.
Sorry for going way off topic here but Ftr/WM/DD builds:
Results from pulse cap's build searcher: Fighter 28/DwD 5/WM 7 by Aenigma Herudin Classic Dwarven Tank / DwD 22/Fighter 11/WM 7 by Izock Dwarven War General (Fighter 14/DwD 19/WM 7) by Lockindal Dwarven Landslide /DwD 14/Fighter 10/WM 16 by Mithdradates Master Defender of the Clan /DwD 23/WM 7/Fighter 10 by Rayne111 Dwarven War Master /Fighter 10/DwD 14/WM 16 by Rooker1963 Dwarven War Master V2 /Fighter 10/DwD 14/WM 16 by Rooker1963 Dwarven Biting Wall /Fighter 14/WM 7/DwD 19 by Talamier Fifur Gest /Fighter 14/WM 7/DwD 19 by TyrPaladin The Dwarven Hammer /Fighter 10/WM 7/DwD 23 by Veridious
have a look. _________________ Surely, without war there would be no loss - hence, no mourning, no grief, no pain, no misery...
. Here we go:
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when i tested it... those sneak crits are fearsome to behold... 
gotta love the BG. chow!