*Toughness or Blind Fight can be taken here, if you are going to un-equip your gear before battle all the time... ** Replacable by Great Strength Feats *** If you have taken Great Strength Feats, This will be Great Charisma I, to get 16 Charisma.
AB
26 BAB +1 Weapon Focus +2 Epic Weapon Focus +1 Epic Prowess +8 Str Bonus ------ 38 AB +5 Greater Magic Weapon +2 War Cry +2 Song +5 BullS Strength(Bard Buff) + Bulls Strength(Blackguard BUff) ------ 52
AC
27 Naked +8 Mundane Heavy Armor +3 Mundane Shield ------ 38 +4 Haste +5 Song +4 Divine Shield ------ 51 +20 Epic Mage Armor 71 AC
-DaMouse
I totaly forgot to type those! It's rather late here. :/
you forgot some ac : 51 + 20ema =71 eagles splendor will raise your div shield to +5/6ac =72/73
also you should take divine might for extra dmg
I thought of Divine Might.. But seeing the Divine Feats don't last long I went for defensive power in the shape of Divine Shield. Also, there's no room left to fit it in imho.
With Lasting Inspiration Lingering Song makes a minimal difference (100 vs. 105 rounds). I suggest you move Still Spell to Bard3 and move BG3 to level 12. This way you can pick both Divine Might plus Shield. _________________ Surely, without war there would be no loss - hence, no mourning, no grief, no pain, no misery...
With Lasting Inspiration Lingering Song makes a minimal difference (100 vs. 105 rounds). I suggest you move Still Spell to Bard3 and move BG3 to level 12. This way you can pick both Divine Might plus Shield.
surely divine might/shield are of questionable value in this build, because they lack the length or useage tuie to make them effective. 18 CHA gives use 4x per rest, with +4 damage, for 4 rounds. this is of questionable worth as it would only be useable very little times per day.
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If you want longer lasting feats on that, take charisma instead of strength. Your ab will suffer though. And besides, almost every server has charisma increasing items. Combine that with Eagle's Splendor and you can easily get a couple rounds more out of it.
And about the lingering, I thought it would be like this (Song 10 + Lingering 5) * Lasting 10 = 150 Rounds Guess I was wrong. But the lingering feat makes it more playable from lvl 1 till lasting.
Still I would not take Divine Might because of the low uses of "Turn Undead". I'd rather go for Toughness or Blind Fight then. But that's a personal choice we all have to make I guess?
Quote: Bearke I thought of Divine Might.. But seeing the Divine Feats don't last long I went for defensive power in the shape of Divine Shield. Also, there's no room left to fit it in imho.
I understood that you wanted Divine Might and presented the simplest way to get it. However, if you're going to drop Lingering Song, Blind-Fight is not a bad choice at all. Whatever tickles your fancy as a builder, mate.
As for Lingering Song + Lasting Inspiration, it would indeed make sense if the duration was increased to 150 (at least if Lingering Song was picked first, and why would it no be). Nevertheless the fact is that Lingering Song is applied after Lasting Perspiration makes the duration 10 turns. _________________ Surely, without war there would be no loss - hence, no mourning, no grief, no pain, no misery...
Definitely get Blind Fight. No melee should ever be without it.
Divine might/shield... reasonable picks if you're increasing your cha heavily for other reasons (saves, spellcasting, etc). Not so good if you aren't. This build sort of straddles that line... I think it's alright to use them where you have room in your feat list. But I wouldn't bother with them otherwise. _________________ Experience is the mother of good judgement; bad judgement is the father of experience.
Nice concept overall. Just a few points:
Maybe take Curse Song at 3rd level instead of Lingering Song at all (as mentioned beforehand).
Don't bother taking Tumble to 42 - stop at 40 as it caps out there.
Lore? would this be a worthwhile skill for the jester?
Your Buffed AC calculation is missing the 20 points from Epic Mage Armor.
Couple of bits of info missing - Saves and Hit Points
Tested this out and I get the following:
Fort 25 Reflex 24 Will 24 HP 359
None of which are particularly high, even with the benefits of Bard Song or other buffs.
I would seriously consider dropping STR at startup to 15 and put 2 into DEX, thereby requiring only a minimum roll on a Cats Grace to get the maximum modifier allowed in Full Plate - adds 1 to AC and 1 to Ref save before buff.
Also, drop 2 of the Great CHA feats as you only benefit from 1 point to all saves and one 4th level spell. Take something more necessary such as Epic Fort, Will or Reflex perhaps, even a Great Strength to balance out your overall STR back to an even number, if you go the route mentioned above. Perhaps even a ESF: Perform to hit the required 50 ranks to enjoy your 20th level Bard/ Curse Song. Maybe even ESF: Taunt if you pump that instead of UMD - fully buffed this can reach 63 with a full Eagle's Splendour, 20th Bard Song and ESF: Taunt).
Personally I enjoy the Bard PM build with A. N. Other class involved, the only downside generally is the lowish BAB, HP and Saves when unbuffed. From an rp point of view they can run pretty wild, as I am sure this one no doubt will.
Either way have fun playing it through.
Oh and seriously reconsider taking a Divine Feat - this really will be a bit of a waste with such a low CHA.
Edited By I...Samphus on 12/28/05 22:47
Reworked him abit, made him abit more 'useful'?
Human, Chaotic/Neutral Evil
Str 08+(6/1)+(4/2)=15(26) Dex 08+(2/1)+(0/2)=10 Con 08+(6/1)+(0/2)=14 Wis 08+(0/1)+(0/2)=08 Int 08+(6/1)+(0/2)=14 Cha 08+(6/1)+(2/2)=15(16)
26 BAB +1 Weapon Focus +2 Epic Weapon Focus +1 Epic Prowess +8 Str Bonus ------ 38 AB +5 Greater Magic Weapon +2 War Cry +5 BullS Strength(Bard Buff) + Bulls Strength(Blackguard BUff) +2 Song +5 Curse Song (ie. -5 AC from enemy) +6 Taunt (If you went for Taunt instead of UMD) ------ 63 AB
AC
28 Naked +8 Mundane Heavy Armor +3 Mundane Shield ------ 39 +4 Haste +5 Song +1 Mage Armor +1 Cat's Grace +20 Epic Mage Armor +2 Curse Song (ie. -2 AB from enemy) ------ 72 AC
Saves(Fort/Ref/Will) 24 24 29 Saves(Fort/Ref/Will) 26 26 32 (With Song) Saves(Fort/Ref/Will) 26 27 34 (With Song, With Eagle Splendor +4 Charisma min, With Cat's Grace +2 min) Saves(Fort/Ref/Will) 36 37 44 (With Song, With Eagle Splendor +4 Charisma min, With Cat's Grace +2 min, With Spellcraft Saves 52/5=10)
Why Iron & Epic Will? Because I felt this character needed a strong mental presence. And I don't want him to be scared of some fear aura. As he represents fear by his evilness.
Left out divine feats due to too low Charisma. If you play on a server where +12 charisma is easily obtained you could do this. Seeing the +12 Charisma will compensate the 2 will feats..
Resulting in a +9 AC for 9 Rounds Total AC = 69 + 9 = 81 Total Taunt Skill = 45 + 12 Charisma/2 + 10 (ESF) + 8 (Song) = 69
Thanks for the commenting I...Samphus. I never thought of Taunt with this, but it's suiting!
Edit: Added Mage Armor, Added Curse Song Effects to AB/AC Calculations.
Edited By Bearke on 12/29/05 13:39
bravo - much better!
Must say I prefered it with the divine feats since with a few decent charisma items his divine damage and duration aren't that bad..
-DaMouse
Well, I actually posted 2 builds now. One for the charismatic players, one for the save throw addicts. For you to decide what you are?
