Playable from level 1 - 40 ..PvM, more focussed on PvP Aim is a fearsomely high Hide/MS coupled with decent sneak damage. IKD is also a bonus with sneakers, as is the ability to run away, fast. Epic Dodge is just gravy to avoid the first reply blow that some victims will fire off. Closest is a Rog19/Rgr9/Mnk12 build: Click Here Which ends up with SC V with a similar AB, but has a lower Sneak attack, less FEs and lower Hide/MS skills.
I personally enjoyed playing this one, even had a nice chat with an identical build on one PW (ty cs).
Death Cometh with 92 Hide (and a tiny dagger): Rogue(19), Ranger(15), Monk(6)
14d6 sneak, (combine with keen weapons for high crit percentage due to flat footing)
4 Favoured Enemies
Epic Dodge, Monk Speed, Imp Evasion, IKD etc
Disadvantages:
Xp Penalty
Poor Saves
Comments: Last four ISAs are optional really - take Crippling Strike or Slippery Mind if needed
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AC may seem only mediocre, but combined with Monk Wis AC bonus, can easily reach ca 65.
Lose Spot or Listen and take Spellcraft cc for +4 saves.
Weapon Choice: Can swap out Dagger for Kukri, or Kama for improved attack schedule, higher damage, and ability to use Ranger 3rd level spell: Blade Thirst. But at a price. To Quote:
Quote: Posted 10/19/05 15:07:35 (GMT) -- Xylophone You lose critical threat range, get -4/-4 dualwield AB penalties as a halfling, and become a cheesey monk kama dualwielder then, however.
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Fun build, and probably deserving a Halfling of Doooom label
I'd take crippling strike... giving your opponent big penalties to AB and damage is always a good thing.
Actually on the kama route, I think you'd get the same number of attacks by wielding a single kama as you would two daggers, no?
Your BAB is high enough that you'd have 6 base attacks on the monk schedule with a kama or unarmed, the same as with two daggers, but without a -2 dual wielder penalty. Then you could flurry for a 7th attack with the -2 penalty you were originally accepting as a dualwielder. Another advantage is that your AB would only drop by 3 for extra attacks (ie, 40/37/34/31/28/25).
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A fun build, and a good Halfling sneaker. They truly excel at this. You link Grizz's Rogue Tiger. It has a few advantages over this, and a few disadvantages, different enough to easily post this.
As for attacks dagger vs Kama.
Attacks with dagger, not hasted, highest to lowest. 38/38/33/33/28/23. crit range double the Kama. Then Kama, in Flurry 38/38/35/32/29/26/23 Difference with using Kama in favour of Daggers 0/0/+2/-1/+1/+3/+23
Not really a big difference. You can use shield, and then dagger would win out easy when needing the shield. Hard to hit opponents without shield, kama would win easy when not flurrying.
Kama is Slashing, and dagger piercing, keep that in mind to. The kama path should be considered, it isn't half bad.
As for ISA, I would trade them all for slippery mind and crippling as you yourself noted, and the other two for Great DEX.
Since you don't have SC feats, I think shield is viable to use in many circumstances, that is why I would use daggers.
With regard to...
Quote: Posted 12/29/05 15:52:26 (GMT) -- Xylophone However... you'd have to mess with your levelling order to do it. But I'd think it's something to consider
Not too big a deal Xylo. Lose the 5th Rogue level pre-epic for a monk somewhere, same BAB, Kama prof earlier. I probably should have done it anyway for early Cleave.
Quote: Posted 12/29/05 17:01:00 (GMT) -- Grimnir77 Since you don't have SC feats, I think shield is viable to use in many circumstances, that is why I would use daggers.
I personally hesitate to use Shields with monk dexers, simply because I prefer to use +wis items to boost AC. But point taken about the kama vs daggers analysis.
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almost as much hide as my Forest Imp build has...
which I never included in there but he had Hide 118 MS 104
which I never included in there but he had Hide 118 MS 104
sorry for highjacking the thread
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Can a halfling still use a kama as a finesse weapon? Doesn't it have to be a tiny weapon for a halfling to finesse it? I've specifically avoided halfling monk builds for that very reason. I'd hate to think I missed out on that +1 AB/AC!
Quote: Posted 02/06/06 23:31:01 (GMT) -- Lego_90
Can a halfling still use a kama as a finesse weapon? Doesn't it have to be a tiny weapon for a halfling to finesse it? I've specifically avoided halfling monk builds for that very reason. I'd hate to think I missed out on that +1 AB/AC!
They can however with a -4 dual-wield penalty. _________________ Fanget av begravelsen pines vi av guds godhet ingen flammer, intet hat de hadde rett vi kom til Helvete...
Can a halfling still use a kama as a finesse weapon? Doesn't it have to be a tiny weapon for a halfling to finesse it? I've specifically avoided halfling monk builds for that very reason. I'd hate to think I missed out on that +1 AB/AC!
They can however with a -4 dual-wield penalty.
What Finn here means is -4 when dualwielding, but yes, they can finesse it like any small weapon.
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