AB 40/35/30/25(Mundane Dwarven Waraxe) Damage 1-10+7 19-20x3 BAB 29 Base AC 28 HP 694(Max HP)
Saves: Fort 27(+8 vs Spells) Reflex 20(+8 vs Spells) (+5 vs Traps) Will 17(+8 vs Spells)
DR of 15/- Bardsong +1 AB and +2 Damage, +1 saves 8x/Day 10 Rounds Barbarian Rage +6 Str & Con 7x/Day 15 Rounds(Max Con) Immune to Stun, Hold, Paralysis, Critical Hits, and Sneak Attacks
I chose Dwarf to make EDR easier to reach. You need to eat a 20%xp penalty at 18+ but if that's ok with you then you will have a tough nut to crack. Between 15/- DR and Sneak/Crit immunity, physical damage will not be a problem.
His AB is ok and so is his damage. With 20 UMD, you should be able to suppliment his weaknesses with a large selection of gear and any spell scrolls.
His biggest weakness is spells. With no SR or evasion, he will be a moving taget for a mage. His HPs and UMD are there to help mitigate this. Of course you can always whip out a Time Stop scroll and kill the mage before he even thinks about IGMS.
I chose 14 Dex to help fill in the armor deficit you get with only being able to wear medium armor. You only need 4 more Dex to max in Banded Mail or a nice Chain Shirt. I ignored Cha as his Bard levels make casting pointless as it is. Again, UMD saves the day here.
I love using Dwarven Waraxes but if you want an extra feat you can just use a Warhammer and have an extra feat for whatever you wish.
Why not going with WF/EWF: Battleaxe and get armor prof:heavy instead of WP: exotic? Also, your barbarian rage gives you +6 STR/CON not +3 as you indicated
Cheers, Kail _________________ Dilegua notte Tramontate stelle Tramontate stelle All'alba vinceṛ Vinceṛ Vinceṛ
Why not going with WF/EWF: Battleaxe and get armor prof:heavy instead of WP: exotic? Also, your barbarian rage gives you +6 STR/CON not +3 as you indicated
Cheers, Kail
Ah, fixed the Str and Con. Well, like I said I'm a sucker for the Waraxe. However, yes you could go for Warhammer or Battleaxe, adjust Dex to 12 and Int to 14, and take Heavy Armor Prof or Expertise, etc. I prefer the medium armor as the dex boost helps your reflex save as well. _________________ http://www.dormaeglinunderdark.com/
Edited By Talamier on 01/09/06 03:14
Quote: Posted 01/09/06 03:11:42 (GMT) -- Talamier
I prefer the medium armor as the dex boost helps your reflex save as well.
Heavy Armor has nothing to do with Reflex saves. If you want the +1 to reflex saves you get with 14 DEX compared to 12, you can still wear Heavy Armor. Though 14 INT/12 DEX with Heavy Armor sounds better to me thanks to the Skill boost.
I prefer the medium armor as the dex boost helps your reflex save as well.
Heavy Armor has nothing to do with Reflex saves. If you want the +1 to reflex saves you get with 14 DEX compared to 12, you can still wear Heavy Armor. Though 14 INT/12 DEX with Heavy Armor sounds better to me thanks to the Skill boost.
Nice build.
Thank you. Hrmm, let me explain what I mean:
Take for example, banded mail. It is medium armor, base AC of 4, max dex bonus of 4.
Platemail is base AC of 8, max dex bonus of 1.
In medium armor, you could boost his dex a bit and only be 1 AC less than wearing FP but you get +4 to your reflex save vs +1 in FP. Due to his weakness vs spells, I figured you need all the help you can get. This, combined with the +8 from spellcraft, will at least give you a fighting chance if you lack any spell resistance. _________________ http://www.dormaeglinunderdark.com/
I prefer the medium armor as the dex boost helps your reflex save as well.
Heavy Armor has nothing to do with Reflex saves. If you want the +1 to reflex saves you get with 14 DEX compared to 12, you can still wear Heavy Armor. Though 14 INT/12 DEX with Heavy Armor sounds better to me thanks to the Skill boost.
Nice build.
Thank you. Hrmm, let me explain what I mean:
Take for example, banded mail. It is medium armor, base AC of 4, max dex bonus of 4.
Platemail is base AC of 8, max dex bonus of 1.
In medium armor, you could boost his dex a bit and only be 1 AC less than wearing FP but you get +4 to your reflex save vs +1 in FP. Due to his weakness vs spells, I figured you need all the help you can get. This, combined with the +8 from spellcraft, will at least give you a fighting chance if you lack any spell resistance.
I think you have misunderstood what the DEX modification means.
Equipping Full Plate does not affect your reflex saves be your DEX 50 or 10. The decreased DEX only affects armor class - in Full Plate you get +1 DEX AC, however it doesn't affect your saves, ranged/finesse AB or anything else. Only DEX AC. Try it if you doubt me.
Edited By FinneousPJ on 01/10/06 13:45
Finn's right
If you go Barbarian 24 - Bard 4 - PM 12, you will gain 2 AC. Don't think you gain anything by taking 26 barb instead of 24..
Quote: Posted 01/10/06 16:06:07 (GMT) -- Bearke
If you go Barbarian 24 - Bard 4 - PM 12, you will gain 2 AC. Don't think you gain anything by taking 26 barb instead of 24..
You gain another point of Epic Barbarian Damage Reduction at 26.
I think you have misunderstood what the DEX modification means.
Equipping Full Plate does not affect your reflex saves be your DEX 50 or 10. The decreased DEX only affects armor class - in Full Plate you get +1 DEX AC, however it doesn't affect your saves, ranged/finesse AB or anything else. Only DEX AC. Try it if you doubt me.
It doesn't? I thought that you Dex modifier added to your Reflex save. As Con adds to Fort and Wis adds to Will. Is this not true?
Yes dex bonus does add to ref save. But you don't get the point. Wearing armor caps the dex bonus to AC only, it doesn't affect at all the ref save or the bonus the ref save gets from a high dex.
EDIT: Your dex, in fact, doesn't get affected at all. You have (f.e.) 34 dex with or without heavy armor. And you can have weapon finesse and wear heavy armor without any penalty to AB, cause your dex bonus to AB does not get affected. Only the bonus to AC gets capped.
Yes dex bonus does add to ref save. But you don't get the point. Wearing armor caps the dex bonus to AC only, it doesn't affect at all the ref save or the bonus the ref save gets from a high dex.
Ahhh. I'm sorry, guess I am a little slow today. Let me see if I have this right:
Say a character with 20 Dex equips Fullplate. He would gain a max 9AC(8 base +1 Dex) but he would gain +5 to his reflex save. Yes?
I never knew the game worked like that so again I'm sorry if I seemed stubborn. Just trying to understand how it works.
Quote: Posted 01/10/06 21:54:28 (GMT) -- Talamier
Ahhh. I'm sorry, guess I am a little slow today. Let me see if I have this right:
Say a character with 20 Dex equips Fullplate. He would gain a max 9AC(8 base +1 Dex) but he would gain +5 to his reflex save. Yes?
Aye. And if, for example, you have weapon finesse you'd still benefit from a +5 AB due to dex. As a matter of fact, dexers start wearing heavy armor (if they have the profinciecy) and gradually wear lighter armor (lower cap)as they dex increases till they wear no armor at all when their dex is high enough, cause they'd get less AC from wearing armor than from being naked.
Quote: I never knew the game worked like that so again I'm sorry if I seemed stubborn. Just trying to understand how it works.
No problem, mate. We all have something to learn and forums are a good place for that.
Cheers, Kail _________________ Dilegua notte Tramontate stelle Tramontate stelle All'alba vinceṛ Vinceṛ Vinceṛ
