Remember -to use Cats Grace n Eagle's Splendor with divine shield for AC bonus -to save skill points to monk level -to equipe ur char as if it was a Paladin -to have Dragon Form spell for desperate situations
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Edited By Kail Pendragon on 04/17/06 20:41
Erm... ever heard of the Exalted Sorceress? Or these
Results from pulse cap's build searcher: The Flamecaster /Sorcerer 21/Monk 16/Paladin 3 by AXN Defender Of Good /Paladin 3/Monk 2/Sorcerer 35 by Iron Ranger Hi DC Sorcerer /Sorcerer 38/Paladin 1/Monk 1 by Killerpudel (Posted by Stephen _________________ "And one calculates time from the dies nefastus on which this fatality arose – from the first day of Christianity! – Why not rather from its last? – From today? – Revaluation of all values!"
Why Paladin 3? Fear immunity is the only reason I can think of, and I don't think that's worth it given your high will save. _________________ CATS!
Quote: Posted 04/17/06 16:52:59 (GMT) -- avarielo
Why Paladin 3? Fear immunity is the only reason I can think of, and I don't think that's worth it given your high will save.
Turn Undead for Divine Shield. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
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Paladin 3 is for Turn Undead, which he is using for Divine Shield. Let's him add his Cha bonus to AC, which will be considerable at high levels (more than Imp. Expertise....).
TM
Yes ive heared, i forgot to post that i based my build on Defender of Good n Dragon Kin, n the 3 lvls of Paladin r for Divine Shield
Quote: Posted 04/17/06 17:00:30 (GMT) -- Maothen
Yes ive heared, i forgot to post that i based my build on Defender of Good n Dragon Kin, n the 3 lvls of Paladin r for Divine Shield
I see, understandable.
Nice build, too. _________________ "And one calculates time from the dies nefastus on which this fatality arose – from the first day of Christianity! – Why not rather from its last? – From today? – Revaluation of all values!"
Haste = 4 Mage Armor = 1 Epic Mage Armor = 5
= 10 Dodge
So max divine shield does is 10.. which is the same as impr expertise..
So max divine shield does is 10.. which is the same as impr expertise..
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But, he can only cast EMA 1 time per day, he can use Divine Shield at least 13 times (19 if he fully buffs Cha). So it will still be better than IE for those times. And, he could also actually use Turn Undead fairly effectively thanks to his high Cha.
And, he could also actually use Turn Undead fairly effectively thanks to his high Cha.
TM
Yes and no. His turn level is 3, and usually 7 from the +4 turn level check his high CHA will allow . Undead over 7 HD will be unaffected. He'll be able to turn 2d6 + 3 (paladin level) + 16 (buffed CHA) hit dice worth of undead with 7 HD or less. So yeah, he'll be pretty effective against skeletons and zombies early in his career, but not that great at turning epic level undead (no better than ES, really). If there were a way to slip Divine might into the build, he'd be a lot better against undead and some contructs. _________________ Vulcano's Bard Studio (in beta, 1.67). *Updated* Compose, play, and save your own bard music dynamically in game!
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Sorry for that first time posting here:p
No worries, from now on I'll consider you educated on the matter though
Before moving on to my next build, I would like to know if anyone have an idea of how this one could get better
Improvements... hmm, here's some thoughts for you.
Drop starting DEX to 8, and cast a Maximised Cat's Grace to ensure you get max AC Bonus in Heavy Armor (lose 1 point Reflex Save) Pump starting CON to 14 (extra 40 HP and +1 to Fort Save)
Drop both Spell Penetration and Greater Spell Penetration Feats - with 35 caster levels do you really need them? This will let you take Still Spell pre-epic and thus frees up another Epic Feat.
Consider Greater Ruin - is it essential?
Possibly a fourth Paladin level - allowing you to take Extra Turning for more Divine Shield uses. Just a thought.
Currently you have an XP Penalty between 20th and 37th level, due to taking Monk at 20th. Drop the Second Monk Level - instead just take 1 at 37th for maxed Tumble and Discipline. Admittedly you lose any Tumble AC bonus until then.
01: So(1): Extend Spell, Still Spell 02: So(2) 03: So(3): Power Attack 04: So(4): CHA+1, (CHA=17) 05: So(5) 06: So(6): Empower Spell 07: So(7) 08: So(8): CHA+1, (CHA=18) 09: So(9): Expertise* 10: So(10) 11: So(11) 12: So(12): CHA+1, Maximize Spell, (CHA=19) 13: So(13) 14: So(14) 15: So(15): Improved Expertise* 16: P(1): CHA+1, (CHA=20) 17: P(2): {Smite Evil} 18: P(3): Divine Shield 19: So(16) 20: So(17): CHA+1, (CHA=21) 21: So(18): Great Charisma I*, (CHA=22) 22: So(19) 23: So(20) 24: So(21): CHA+1, Automatic Still Spell I, (CHA=23) 25: So(22) 26: So(23): Automatic Still Spell II 27: So(24): Automatic Still Spell III 28: So(25): CHA+1, (CHA=24) 29: So(26): Great Charisma II*, (CHA=25) 30: So(27): Great Charisma III, (CHA=26) 31: So(28) 32: So(29): CHA+1, Epic Spell: Epic Warding, (CHA=27) 33: So(30): Great Charisma IV, (CHA=28) 34: So(31) 35: So(32): Great Charisma V, (CHA=29) 36: So(33): CHA+1, Great Charisma VI, (CHA=31) 37: So(34) 38: So(35): Great Charisma VII, (CHA=32) 39: So(36): Great Charisma VIII, (CHA=33) 40: M(1): CHA+1, {Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist}, (CHA=34)
* These could be switched for one of the Spell Foci series (raise 1 school DC by 5, lower all others by 1) or Spell Pen series, plus another Epic Spell if you want.
Hitpoints: 262 Skillpoints: 217 Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 32/32/28 Saving Throw bonuses: Spells: +8 BAB: 21 AB (max, naked): 23 (melee), 21 (ranged) AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 18/29 AC with IE and Divine Shield (no buffs): 51
Concentration 43(45), Disable Trap 1(3), Discipline 43(45), Open Lock 1(1), Persuade 43(55), Set Trap 1(1), Spellcraft 42(44), Tumble 40(40)
You cold drop Dex to 8 and Str to 13 to push Cha by 1, freeing up an epic feat for whatever you want.
TM
I have to add that discipline in these builds are overrated. 45 is what warrior has for AB with mundane weapon. Might be good in some PvM situations perhaps. But it won't save your life, it will hardly have any function at all. I would, even in the exalted sorcerer, spend it on other skills. Other than, it's excellent builds, but it's been done almost as much as Bard/PM/RDD. _________________ I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide. I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
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Yeah, discipline won't do much, especially since his AC unbuffed with expertise and DS is already in the 50's (so once he has buffed, anything that hits him beats the discipline by more than 20 anyway).
On the other hand, he really doesn't have a whole lot of other skills to put them into. I already maxed Persuade, I suppose you could take Lore or Healing if you want, or sub Rogue for Monk to be able to dump in other skills (but then you lose Evasion and the Wis AC).
TM
Hide and move silently. Not too useful, but useful in some cases at least.
What I meant is that in the Exalted Sorceress, they use it as a strong point, but in reality it's quite useless....... _________________ I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide. I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
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My suggestion, given the current state of Evard's Black Tentacles in 1.67 beta 4, is to make this character a halfling. ES chokes on her own spell if she casts it, but not a halfling combat sorcerer. You would have to change to Sorc 35/Blackguard 3/Rogue 2, but you'd still get Divine Shield, Evasion, and all the relevant skills. More, actually, if you took the rogue at level 1, which would allow maxed Discipline, Concentration, Spellcraft, and Tumble, and enough left over for 40+ UMD with the CHA bonus included. And, there would be no XP penalty, ever. You'd lose a couple of feats, but they wouldn't make or break you. _________________ Vulcano's Bard Studio (in beta, 1.67). *Updated* Compose, play, and save your own bard music dynamically in game!
to post that i based my build on Defender of Good n Dragon Kin, n the 3 lvls of Paladin r for Divine Shield
Before moving on to my next build, I would like to know if anyone have an idea of how this one could get better 
Improvements... hmm, here's some thoughts for you.