"In order to repress the perversion of their kind a group of druids got together and
created the Asura's Druid Clan , their main objective was to became as powerful as
possible to rule over all living druids, the only thing in their way is the group called
Dragon Kin"

PVP

Human, Lawful Neutral

Str 12
Dex 12
Con 14
Wis 16
Int 14
Cha 8

ConcentratioN:4
Discepline:4
Hide:4
Move Silently:4


L1 Ranger 1 - Toughness, Expertise , Favored Enemy: Dragon
L2 Ranger 2
L3 Ranger 3 - Knockdown
L4 Ranger 4 Wisdom
L5 Ranger 5 - Favored Enemy: Humans
L6 Ranger 6 - Blind Fight
L7 Ranger 7
L8 Ranger 8 Wisdom
L9 Ranger 9 - Improved Expertise
L10 Ranger 10 - Favored Enemy: Shapechanger
L11 Druid 1 -
L12 Druid 2 - Extend Spell Wisdom
L13 Druid 3 -
L14 Druid 4 -
L15 Druid 5 - Improved Critical Unarmed Strike
L16 Druid 6 - Wisdom
L17 Druid 7 -
L18 Druid 8 - Improved Knockdown
L19 Druid 9 -
L20 Druid 10 - Wisdom
L21 Monk 1 - Greater Wisdom I
L22 Druid 11 -
L23 Druid 12 -
L24 Druid 13 - Greater Wisdom II Wisdom
L25 Druid 14 -
L26 Druid 15 -
L27 Druid 16 - Greater Wisdom III
L28 Druid 17 - Wisdom
L29 Druid 18 -
L30 Druid 19 - Weapon Focus: Unarmed strike
L31 Druid 20 -
L32 Druid 21 - Wisdom
L33 Druid 22 - Epic Spell: Greater Ruin
L34 Druid 23 -
L35 Druid 24 - Greater Wisdom IV
L36 Druid 25 - Epic Wepon Focus Wisdom
L37 Druid 26 -
L38 Druid 27 -
L39 Druid 28 - Greater Wisdom V & Dragon Shape
L40 Monk 2 - Wisdom

Str 12
Dex 12
Con 14
Wis 31
Int 14
Cha 8

ConcentratioN:44
Discepline:44
Hide:44
Move Silently:44
Listen:53
Spellcraft:44
Tumble:44

HP: 418 768*

AC: 29 61*

AB:+31/+16 +48/+33*

Fort: 26 33*

Reflex: 17 30*

Will: 30 38*

Spell Resistance: 40*

*Fully buffed and in Dragon Shape well im fairly new to building characters and not that adept at analysing them

looks good to me - however why take that last great wisdom?

may as well use it on another feat and finish on 30 wisdom - you will have the same bonus's and pretty sure you only need 30 wisdom for dragon shape

im sure someone will be along soon to make a better review of your build though...
Quote: Posted 04/21/06 23:14:08 (GMT) -- Caithdein na Briona

well im fairly new to building characters and not that adept at analysing them

looks good to me - however why take that last great wisdom?

may as well use it on another feat and finish on 30 wisdom - you will have the same bonus's and pretty sure you only need 30 wisdom for dragon shape

im sure someone will be along soon to make a better review of your build though...

If i hadnt it would be impossible to get DragonShape Actually, I hate to break it to you, but it's impossible this way, too. The Great Wis feat does not count for pre-reqs until the next level up. You need to have a wis of 30+ by level 36 to take it, or get a bonus feat on level 40.

So take Monk at level 39, skip the Great Wis feat for something else, and take Dragin Shape at level 40 (Druid level 28 bonus feat).

TM

Edited By Tattoed Monk on 04/22/06 00:03

Quote: Posted 04/22/06 00:02:30 (GMT) -- Tattoed Monk

Actually, I hate to break it to you, but it's impossible this way, too. The Great Wis feat does not count for pre-reqs until the next level up. You need to have a wis of 30+ by level 36 to take it, or get a bonus feat on level 40.

So take Monk at level 39, skip the Great Wis feat for something else, and take Dragin Shape at level 40 (Druid level 28 bonus feat).

TM
Havent realized that Ty
Quote: Posted 04/21/06 22:19:19 (GMT) -- Maothen

"In order to repress the perversion of their kind a group of druids got together and
created the Asura's Druid Clan , their main objective was to became as powerful as
possible to rule over all living druids, the only thing in their way is the group called
Dragon Kin"

PVP

Human, Lawful Neutral

Str 12
Dex 12
Con 14
Wis 16
Int 14
Cha 8

ConcentratioN:4
Discepline:4
Hide:4
Move Silently:4


L1 Ranger 1 - Toughness, Expertise , Favored Enemy: Dragon
L2 Ranger 2
L3 Ranger 3 - Knockdown
L4 Ranger 4 Wisdom
L5 Ranger 5 - Favored Enemy: Humans
L6 Ranger 6 - Blind Fight
L7 Ranger 7
L8 Ranger 8 Wisdom
L9 Ranger 9 - Improved Expertise
L10 Ranger 10 - Favored Enemy: Shapechanger
L11 Druid 1 -
L12 Druid 2 - Extend Spell Wisdom
L13 Druid 3 -
L14 Druid 4 -
L15 Druid 5 - Improved Critical Unarmed Strike
L16 Druid 6 - Wisdom
L17 Druid 7 -
L18 Druid 8 - Improved Knockdown
L19 Druid 9 -
L20 Druid 10 - Wisdom
L21 Monk 1 - Greater Wisdom I
L22 Druid 11 -
L23 Druid 12 -
L24 Druid 13 - Greater Wisdom II Wisdom
L25 Druid 14 -
L26 Druid 15 -
L27 Druid 16 - Greater Wisdom III
L28 Druid 17 - Wisdom
L29 Druid 18 -
L30 Druid 19 - Weapon Focus: Unarmed strike
L31 Druid 20 -
L32 Druid 21 - Wisdom
L33 Druid 22 - Epic Spell: Greater Ruin
L34 Druid 23 -
L35 Druid 24 - Greater Wisdom IV
L36 Druid 25 - Greater Wisdom Wisdom
L37 Druid 26 -
L38 Druid 27 -
L39 Druid 28 - VEpic Wepon Focus & Dragon Shape
40 Monk 2 - Wisdom

Str 12
Dex 12
Con 14
Wis 31
Int 14
Cha 8

ConcentratioN:44
Discepline:44
Hide:44
Move Silently:44
Listen:53
Spellcraft:44
Tumble:44

HP: 418 768*

AC: 29 61*

AB:+31/+16 +48/+33*

Fort: 26 33*

Reflex: 17 30*

Will: 30 38*

Spell Resistance: 40*

*Fully buffed and in Dragon Shape
now i think its ok I'd ramp up the ranger levels to 21, and take Bane of Enemies. This will do an additional 2d6+5 favored enemy damage to Dragons, in addition to all other damage. Same for your other other favored enemies; I recommend at least constructs and undead, as they are immune to crits and the extra damage comes in handy, humans and elves if this is for PvP. I was astounded when I looked at the search engine and came up with exactly ZERO Bane of Enemies Dragon builds. Level split would be Ranger 21/Druid 17/Monk 2. Add power attack and improved power attack and you'll munch through the highest DR with ease.
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Vulcano's Bard Studio (in beta, 1.67). *Updated* Compose, play, and save your own bard music dynamically in game! For Dragon Shape (or elemental shape for the matter) WF/EWF: unarmed are totally useless since they don't work. Get EP and AS instead, you'll get +1 AB, +2 AC.

I'd rather go Druid 24/Monk 6 for another +1 AC, increased speed and free IKD.

Notice that Druid 12, Ranger 8 preepic would net you the same AB and saves but you could pick EP instead of FE on 10th ranger lvl.

I'd start with WIS 17, STR 11, DEX 10 or WIS 18, STR 10, DEX 10, CON 12. Your physical stats are gonna get overridden anyhow.

I'd get in empower spell.

Why ending on a WIS odd score when you can end on an even score easily?

Greater Ruin is no big deal also, you might want to consider swapping it for something else (like a Great WIS).

Your Dragon Shape stats are off the mark also:

AB = 50 (27 BAB +19 STR mod +6 dragon claws -2 huge size)
AB (buffed) = 56 (27 BAB +25 capped STR mod +6 dragon claws -2 huge size)

to which you add druid bonus in wilderness areas.

AC = 59 (10 base +13 DEX mod +10 WIS mod +8 tumble +20 dragon dodge AC -2 huge size)
AC (buffed) = 72 (10 base +15 DEX mod +16 WIS mod +8 tumble +20 dragon dodge AC +5 natural AC enhancement from barkskin -2 huge size)

plus Expertise/IE when in use.

EP will net +1 AB, AS will earn you +2 AC, 5 lvls of Monk will give another +1 AC, 32 base WIS will net another +1 AC. So potentially you can get:

AB: 51/57 buffed
AC: 63/76 buffed

Saves in DS should be:

For 35/39 buffed
Ref 29/32 buffed
Will 30/37 buffed


About skills: spellcraft works on modified multiples of five, tumble on base ranks multiples of five. Therefore stop tumble at 40 base ranks and spellcraft at either 38 or 43 (if taking last lvl as druid)


A ranger heavy dragon build would be an alternative, I've got one waiting to be released... if no one beats me to it


Cheers,
Kail
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By fire and magic, I'm sworn
Hell is calling, we cannot be denied
Fly to the blackness of the Storm

We must die to be reborn!