Here it is, it ties Grimnir's build but it does it in a different way. This build manages a 100 effective AB (94 Actual [really is a beautiful thing to see ]) in natural areas against opponents with tiny weapons. Note that if the enemy is not disarmable, and the build can land knockdowns, this is sustainable. The Taunt score isn't great but against opponents with no concentration (not uncommon with enemies who have no casting abilities) it will get the job done. I wouldn't recommend playing this build, but it isn't unplayable either. With a few mods to drop the AB a couple points and boost CON and maybe going human it would be a viable build.
Max effective STR AB
Race Half-Orc
Alignment Any non Lawful
Base Attribute STR 20 DEX 14 CON 8 WIS 8 INT 13 CHA 6
Max AB Calculation Base AB 30 +13 Base STR bonus +1 Weapon Focus +2 Epic Weapon Focus +1 Epic Prowess +1 Superior Weapon Focus +6 Epic Superior Weapon Focus +2 Nature Sense +6 +12 to STR (from items) +20 +20 Greatsword +8 Improved Disarm Vs. Tiny Weapon +6 Taunt (lowers opponents AC, only non AB effect in calculation) +4 (Bonus Vs. Prone Targets, from improved knockdown on previous round) Maximum Effective AB: 100 _________________ Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do.
Hmmm... taunt ... why not add called shot: leg from the previous 4 rounds? 4 rounds x 5 attacks = -40 DEX = -20 AC ~ +20 AB . _________________ Character Build Calculator(works with Excel, Open Office) 2.83: updated to NWN 1.69.
Edited By Kamiryn on 05/10/06 08:17
I suppose you could swap toughness for it . Though IIRC, the max attribute penalty is -12 so at most -6 to AC (106). If you don't like including AC penalties (you purist, you ) a 94 AB is still damn impressive, and the highest actual AB possible by a STR build (under contrived situations, granted, but you'll never see a higher roll with a legal character). If you are only counting long term AB this is the highest STR AB (54).
The whole AB build posting-spree/competition/whatever that has been going on for the last little while is a solely academic exercise. _________________ Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do.
Max AB Calculation Base AB 30 +13 Base STR bonus +1 Weapon Focus +2 Epic Weapon Focus +1 Epic Prowess +1 Superior Weapon Focus +6 Epic Superior Weapon Focus +2 Nature Sense +6 +12 to STR (from items) +20 +20 Greatsword +8 Improved Disarm Vs. Tiny Weapon +6 Taunt (lowers opponents AC, only non AB effect in calculation) +4 (Bonus Vs. Prone Targets, from improved knockdown on previous round) Maximum Effective AB: 100
I was wondering why you took druid, and I see. But your AB boast is every bit situational and you should post that as a disclaimer or something.
+20 Greatsword??? I play on a high magic world, and these dont exist. This is just beefing up your numbers a bit.
Epic Weapon Focus and Weapon Focus dont stack. You take the higher of the two.
Your taunt is only a 29, you have only a 40-50%chance of successfully executing a taunt.
The others are very situational, if you can beat their discipline and concentration.
So the total AB that you can be looking at without the weapon focus is- 64. Add a +5 weapon you get a 69. The AB isn't that bad, but not 100.
I am not picking at your build, it looks pretty fun. If I am mistaken, let me know.
Ok, I have been trolling around on the boards and seeing that +20 weapon seems to be the norm for this "contest"
I would instead post the AB from constants like buffs, + stat items, and such and another AB for the situational enhancements like taunt and knockdown.
I was wondering why you took druid, and I see. But your AB boast is every bit situational and you should post that as a disclaimer or something.
But it is the maximum effective, be it situational or not. Also, he says it's "Maybe [playble in] PvM but not really."
Quote: +20 Greatsword??? I play on a high magic world, and these dont exist. This is just beefing up your numbers a bit.
I think you missed the concept. Maximum AB. It's not maximum if you don't have the maximum AB boost, which is +20.
Quote: Epic Weapon Focus and Weapon Focus dont stack. You take the higher of the two.
They do, actually.
Quote: Your taunt is only a 29, you have only a 40-50%chance of successfully executing a taunt.
Once again irrelevant, the only thing that matters is that it's possible.
Quote: The others are very situational, if you can beat their discipline and concentration.
Check the last point.
Quote: So the total AB that you can be looking at without the weapon focus is- 64. Add a +5 weapon you get a 69. The AB isn't that bad, but not 100.
Yeah, missing the point here...
Quote: I am not picking at your build, it looks pretty fun. If I am mistaken, let me know.
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Quote: Posted 05/22/06 12:40:17 (GMT) -- King2Gypsies I was wondering why you took druid, and I see. But your AB boast is every bit situational and you should post that as a disclaimer or something.
I noted this at the top.
Quote: This build manages a 100 effective AB (94 Actual [really is a beautiful thing to see ]) in natural areas against opponents with tiny weapons. Note that if the enemy is not disarmable, and the build can land knockdowns, this is sustainable. The Taunt score isn't great but against opponents with no concentration (not uncommon with enemies who have no casting abilities) it will get the job done.
Quote: +20 Greatsword??? I play on a high magic world, and these dont exist. This is just beefing up your numbers a bit.
They are craftable in the toolset, if your world doesn't choose to include them, then that's fine. The total was was contrived, and more or less done to show the maximum possible attack benefit you could get. I don't see the situational modifiers being any worse than including smite evil (situational) in an AB calculation.
Quote: Epic Weapon Focus and Weapon Focus dont stack. You take the higher of the two.
They do stack to give you a +3. If you don't believe me, build a character.
Quote: Your taunt is only a 29, you have only a 40-50%chance of successfully executing a taunt.
100% chance against an opponent with no concentration. How many builds with no spell casting max out their concentration?
Quote: The others are very situational, if you can beat their discipline and concentration.
Only knockdown requires a disicpline check. Only Taunt requires a concentration check. You get the disarm bonus as long as your opponent has a tiny weapon. The situation is contrived, but no other build in any situation would see a 94 on their attack roll.
It took me no time at all to make up a test module and verify the total. It may be situational but you can do this.
What can I say? The whole contest is a little silly, but it is a test of how well you know all the little nuances and loopholes of the rules to get some obscene AB total even if it is under blue moon circumstances. Hey, this character works wonders if you get ambushed by dagger wielding elves in the woods . _________________ Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do.
There is a build called the damage adept. It was put in the Epic builders guild. It's just as circumstancial as this one. It can do 1 thing, do the most damage possible. But it isn't really playable, less so than this build. It can't really hit much either. But it deserved it's place. So does this. As for the disclosure, it does say possible, and it is. _________________ I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide. I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
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Edited By Grimnir77 on 06/05/06 11:01
Quote: What can I say? The whole contest is a little silly, but it is a test of how well you know all the little nuances and loopholes of the rules to get some obscene AB total even if it is under blue moon circumstances. Hey, this character works wonders if you get ambushed by dagger wielding elves in the woods:).
LOL, dagger wielding elves in the woods, good one.
I will say that you are totally crazy, but keep up the good work.
Change some Spellcraft for Taunt, that could help a little the circumstance chance... still pretty bad though.
It actually gets a good AB/damage combination, even if it's not playable, it isn't crap either, he can kill and should be decent in such high magical environment.
Nice crazy-concept build.
Technically, if all you're going for with this buid is the maximum possible AB, couldn't you drop some of the unecessary Feats? I'll bold the ones that could be dropped:
Level 21: Great Strength I Level 23: Epic Weapon Focus (Greatsword) Level 24: Great Strength II Level 26: Epic Prowess Level 27: Great Strength III Level 29: Armor Skin Level 30: Great Strength IV Level 32: Epic Toughness I Level 33: Great Strength V Level 35: Epic Toughness II Level 36: Great Strength VI Level 38: Epic Toughness III Level 39: Epic Skill Focus (Taunt)
Change all the bolded feats to Great Strength and you have a +2 AB gain. Unless these are Bonus Feats that you can't take Great Strength on?
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Yeah, sorry, I looked it up after I posted. I had no idea that Weapon Master couldn't take Great Strength as a Bonus Feat. That's kind of...odd. Looking through I notice that -no- classes have Great Strength as a bonus feat, and I have to ask: "Why not?" There are like four classes that get Great Dexterity. Harper Scout gets it as a bonus feat and they don't even have epic levels.
Edited By Acothea on 06/05/06 08:09
Does this mean +20 items are legit? And does this also mean that you will not be able to touch a character with 120 AC??
If I got these items with this build...your build is redundant... Click Here
Does this mean +20 items are legit? And does this also mean that you will not be able to touch a character with 120 AC??
If I got these items with this build...your build is redundant... Click Here
Frankly, your post is redundant.
Obviously +20 items are legit if you make them.
The point of this guild is not "101 can ur bild kill my build!?!? u n00b" -style of posts. And the point of these max AB builds is simply academic: how can one get the most AB in a certain situation?
Have a nice day _________________ "... C'est un pays plus nu que la terre polaire — Ni bêtes, ni ruisseaux, ni verdure, ni bois!
Or il n'est pas d'horreur au monde qui surpasse La froide cruauté de ce soleil de glace Et cette immense nuit semblable au vieux Chaos; ..."
Realistically if you allow +20 weapons you shouldn't allow better than +9 armor (5 sources of AC boost, vs. 1 source of AB boost, things are pretty much balanced at +5). Actually, this isn't a half-bad setting. It means the 1/1 AB classes are actually the best warriors (Wow, who would of thought the classes designed for melee could actually be the best at it?), clerics are about 5 AB behind warriors but still have their healings spells as well as spells with no DCs. Arcane casters are also powerful thanks to the bigby's spells and IGMS. It probably equalizes the classes better than any other setting. _________________ Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do.
Does this mean +20 items are legit? And does this also mean that you will not be able to touch a character with 120 AC??
If I got these items with this build...your build is redundant... Click Here
To be pedantic, a natural 20 is always a hit, so even a rocket high AC doesn't grant you "untouchability", although you'll effectively become crit immune. Anyhow the best tactic vs high AC is to implode them
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To be pedantic, a natural 20 is always a hit, so even a rocket high AC doesn't grant you "untouchability", although you'll effectively become crit immune. Anyhow the best tactic vs high AC is to implode them
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Or to catch them flat-footed with a touch-attack. Making their AC close to 10, 10+<DEX-modifier> if they have uncanny dodge. _________________ Dragonlance ROH is back, better than before! and I spend a little time here WoG
Indeed buddy, think of Prismatic Dragon with their +62 Natural Ac... ain't that scary to a cleric harmer
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How this character got his +20 AB and +12 str:
He made another mage character and leveled him up till he took brew potion for a true strike potion!
He then took his wizard and made bulls str potions in the millions so as to reroll for +5 Str.. Being a level 1 druid he was able to secure millions of Aura of Vitalite scrolls from his Dragon build obviously!
That's +9 str of course.. so he's in need of +3 more strength to get his ultimate AB vs chickens with small beaks.. well of course his dragon and wizard are one and the same and thus he was able to manufacture cheap potions of Blood Frenzy for +2 of that.
And to cap it all off, this fighter happened to be a pet to a very pathetic druid who cast Awaken on him.. obviously.. I wasn't running out of ideas..
And there you have it chaps, a very reliable and reasonable and completely sensible way to get said stat and AB boosts!
That's +9 str of course.. so he's in need of +3 more strength to get his ultimate AB vs chickens with small beaks..
Could've used this build in BG2, in getting the Beljuril, damn those Umar Hills chickens _________________ "... C'est un pays plus nu que la terre polaire — Ni bêtes, ni ruisseaux, ni verdure, ni bois!
Or il n'est pas d'horreur au monde qui surpasse La froide cruauté de ce soleil de glace Et cette immense nuit semblable au vieux Chaos; ..."
No bubbles to burst, then again could be off key here, but your ab consists of 4 things: BAB, Stat+ bonus, magical/enchant bonus (Max +20), situation bonuses.
I have a pic of a Pally/Cot/Monk with a character screen ab 99/94/89/84 (not including smite (+10) - actual ab on hit was max 72/87/82/77 (not tested to see if smite is not included in the magical/enchantment bonus).
No bubbles to burst, then again could be off key here, but your ab consists of 4 things: BAB, Stat+ bonus, magical/enchant bonus (Max +20), situation bonuses.
I have a pic of a Pally/Cot/Monk with a character screen ab 99/94/89/84 (not including smite (+10) - actual ab on hit was max 72/87/82/77 (not tested to see if smite is not included in the magical/enchantment bonus).
True, AB is what you say. I personally call thet log AB, cause it's what you can see in the logs. Actually you forgot to consider size, smite, bane of enemies and druid woodland stride boni in your classification.
Here we have been discussing effective AB instead, which is basically log AB plus AC decreasing factors taken into consideration, like curse song and taunt. A mathematical construct? Yes, but nonetheless it reflects your real chances to hit. Anyhow, even if you take the taunt malus to AC away, you are left with 94 log AB in this build, although you'll get in only in specific circumstances: woodland areas, prone opponent with tiny weapons (but not unarmed!) that you are disarming with your highest AB attack.
Regarding your doubt, no smite together with woodland stride and bane of enemies do not count towards the +20 cap.
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]) in natural areas against opponents with tiny weapons. Note that if the enemy is not disarmable, and the build can land knockdowns, this is sustainable. The Taunt score isn't great but against opponents with no concentration (not uncommon with enemies who have no casting abilities) it will get the job done. I wouldn't recommend playing this build, but it isn't unplayable either. With a few mods to drop the AB a couple points and boost CON and maybe going human it would be a viable build.
... why not add called shot: leg from the previous 4 rounds? 4 rounds x 5 attacks = -40 DEX = -20 AC ~ +20 AB 
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. Though IIRC, the max attribute penalty is -12 so at most -6 to AC (106). If you don't like including AC penalties (you purist, you 
) a 94 AB is still damn impressive, and the highest actual AB possible by a STR build (under contrived situations, granted, but you'll never see a higher roll with a legal character). If you are only counting long term AB this is the highest STR AB (54).
