I believe this is my fourth or fifth run at this particular level split. I think (think) that I have finally worked out a leveling guide that can hang in PvP. Buffs are very dispellable but it's not like you are a total chump in that event. Anyway, here is the latest and greatest for the multi-tasker. Trapper. Sneaker. Buffer. Good saves, good AB, decent AC with Epic Dodge.
Ithacan _________________ We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender - Winston Churchill
Quote: Posted 05/12/06 01:09:31 (GMT) -- Ithacan Elf Any Non-Evil
STR 8 DEX 18 CON 12 INT 14 WIS 15 to 19 CHA 8
Being an Elf helps you with your knockdown attack and lets you finesse a rapier, but I think you would be better off as a Halfling. You don't really need STR because of your cleric buffs. You could get an extra 40 hitpoints (which this build could use), the small stature feat and some saving throw boosts. Lastly you wouldn't have an XP penalty.
You take 4 levels of CoT pre-epic for the saves and the 4th attack I assume. You might be better off moving these levels to epic levels, you would lose one off of your AB and the 4th attack, but divine power would give you back that 4th attack at your max AB, which should work out better in the long run.
Other that those suggestions, there isn't much to nitpick about on this build. Well done. _________________ Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do.
Quote: Posted 05/12/06 01:09:31 (GMT) -- Ithacan Elf Any Non-Evil
STR 8 DEX 18 CON 12 INT 14 WIS 15 to 19 CHA 8
Being an Elf helps you with your knockdown attack and lets you finesse a rapier, but I think you would be better off as a Halfling. You don't really need STR because of your cleric buffs. You could get an extra 40 hitpoints (which this build could use), the small stature feat and some saving throw boosts. Lastly you wouldn't have an XP penalty.
If he went halfling, he'd have to use a short sword/kukri/dagger/mace/whatever to use a shield. Of course, he'd get higher AB and AC, so it's a good option to consider. _________________ CATS!
Quote: Posted 05/12/06 07:08:32 (GMT) -- avarielo
If he went halfling, he'd have to use a short sword/kukri/dagger/mace/whatever to use a shield. Of course, he'd get higher AB and AC, so it's a good option to consider.
Actually he would get the same AC when using a shield since halflings cannot use tower shields.
I'd pick Trickery domain over Magic, War is a great choice especially for dexers.
Ithacan, you are cheating yourself of divine power, which grants you +4 AB and lasts longer than divine wrath or battle mastery. You reach +19 AB on your own, if you go the 25 BAB route or get your hands on a +6 weapon you'll hit the cap without having to rely on divine wrath or battle mastery. You MAX AB is 66, indeed. For AC, what about stacking UEF for dodge AC boni and hit the +20 cap?
If he went halfling, he'd have to use a short sword/kukri/dagger/mace/whatever to use a shield. Of course, he'd get higher AB and AC, so it's a good option to consider.
Actually he would get the same AC when using a shield since halflings cannot use tower shields.
Rapier has a critical range that will help this one's damage output too. Plus, on my PW (Badlands) rapiers are keenable. Which is sort of sick.
Quote: I'd pick Trickery domain over Magic, War is a great choice especially for dexers.
UMD gets you Invisibility and Improved Invisibility if the scrolls are available. I like having the option of spamming Ice Storm if necessary. And Mage Armor and Stone Skin, although the UMD comment applies equally there.
Quote: Ithacan, you are cheating yourself of divine power, which grants you +4 AB and lasts longer than divine wrath or battle mastery. You reach +19 AB on your own, if you go the 25 BAB route or get your hands on a +6 weapon you'll hit the cap without having to rely on divine wrath or battle mastery. You MAX AB is 66, indeed. For AC, what about stacking UEF for dodge AC boni and hit the +20 cap?
My PW nerfed Divine Power so I never calculate its salutary effects. Thanks for confirming the Max AB -- still ok for a level 9 caster.
UEF? Unnecessary Epic Foci?
Thanks for the feedback, all.
Cheers,
Ithacan
Cheers, Kail(/quote)
UEF - Undeath's Eternal Foe - grants bonus of +4 dodge AC for duration, multiple casts stack until your dodge AC hits the cap. which can be handy sometimes.
Hmm. The only thing that stands out to me, aside from the halfling comments already pointed out, is that you have a Dex of 25 by level 24, but you don't get Epic Dodge until level 39. If I were playing it, I would change leveling order to hit Rogue 13 by level 27 or so, and exchange 2 levels of CoT for more Rogue to pick up some skill dumps post level 27. You get 12 more skill points, +1d6 sneak damage, 12 additional playable levels with Epic Dodge, and you only lose 1 to saves and 1 feat.
Another comment about trickery domain, keep in mind that a Cleric/ Rogue (with Trickery) can out pick (both locks and pockets), out trap, and out stealth a pure Rogue. That said, without enough Cleric levels to be undispellable, casting from scrolls in exchange for another domain is fairly attractive. _________________ There's always time to procrastinate.
Hmm. The only thing that stands out to me, aside from the halfling comments already pointed out, is that you have a Dex of 25 by level 24, but you don't get Epic Dodge until level 39. If I were playing it, I would change leveling order to hit Rogue 13 by level 27 or so, and exchange 2 levels of CoT for more Rogue to pick up some skill dumps post level 27. You get 12 more skill points, +1d6 sneak damage, 12 additional playable levels with Epic Dodge, and you only lose 1 to saves and 1 feat.
Another comment about trickery domain, keep in mind that a Cleric/ Rogue (with Trickery) can out pick (both locks and pockets), out trap, and out stealth a pure Rogue. That said, without enough Cleric levels to be undispellable, casting from scrolls in exchange for another domain is fairly attractive.
Well, you could do that. But you wouldn't be able to take Tumble to 40, just 25, so you'd cost yourself 3 AC. If you were playing the OC -- where you are never going to get to forty -- I'd think about it very seriously. But to dominate at 40, I'd keep that last rogue level late for the skill dump (set trap, too).
The halfling idea is a good one, you could play around with the leveling without having to worry about the exp. penalty (which explains a lot of this build's permutations - very few levels are where they are by accident).
Anyway, cheers.
Going Halfling would let you change the pre-epic level split to Cleric 12 Rogue 4 CoT 4. This would, in turn, increase your Fort and Will saves by one without affecting your Reflex save. Plus you'd add two points to Fort by Halfling Lucky and the extra point to Constitution. It becomes a necessity, frankly.
And the Halfling AB bonus would let you trade Epic Prowess for Great Fortitude, and then you'd be roughly immune to Dev Crit (Fort 53 with Epic Gear).
No wonder there are so many darn halflings running about.
Ithacan
Quote: Posted 05/13/06 19:30:38 (GMT) -- Ithacan
Going Halfling would let you change the pre-epic level split to Cleric 12 Rogue 4 CoT 4. This would, in turn, increase your Fort and Will saves by one without affecting your Reflex save. Plus you'd add two points to Fort by Halfling Lucky and the extra point to Constitution. It becomes a necessity, frankly.
And the Halfling AB bonus would let you trade Epic Prowess for Great Fortitude, and then you'd be roughly immune to Dev Crit (Fort 53 with Epic Gear).
No wonder there are so many darn halflings running about.
Ithacan
Yes, halflings do indeed rock pretty hard when you think about it. Kudos on coming up with the basis for another strong Halfling of Doom build! _________________ Experience is the mother of good judgement; bad judgement is the father of experience.
