Buffs: Mass Camouflage (longer duration than normal Camo) Ultravision Cat's Grace One With The Land Aid Invisibility Purge Freedom of Movement Blade Thirst
I'm posting this because it was requested (sorta). The original build for this was a Halfling, and had 9 Monk with only 10 Rogue. I found out the hard way (yeah, I'm an idiot) that Halfling was a horrible idea for dual-wielding Kamas, they get a huge AB penalty for it. I lowered the monk in order to pick up Epic Dodge. The build gets it late, but at least it gets it at all. The 1 Monk level pre-epic, unfortunately, has to be taken in order to take the weapon focus feats in Pre-Epic. This means that you lose out on 1 BAB. It's not an amazing build, with only 54 AB vs. Favoured Enemies, but no reason not to post it, especially when I was asked. =)
I didn't list your AB with Self-Buffs, either...it's actually quite annoying to do so. You get +2 AB/AC from Cat's Grace, +1 AB from aid, and +3 AB to a weapon with Blade Thirst, bringing your naked stats up by +6 AB and +2 AC.
Enjoy! Comments and Critiques welcome, as always.
Edited By Acothea on 06/05/06 23:39
Quote: Posted 06/05/06 23:34:49 (GMT) -- Acothea
Damage (Mundane Kamas): 1d6+8d6+2d6 = 11-66 (Note: 8d6 applies only when sneak attacking, 2d6 applies only against Fav. Enemies)
Actually, that's 5+2d6 for FE's.
Quote: Posted 06/05/06 23:34:49 (GMT) -- Acothea The original build for this was a Halfling, and had 9 Monk with only 10 Rogue. I found out the hard way (yeah, I'm an idiot) that Halfling was a horrible idea for dual-wielding Kamas, they get a huge AB penalty for it.
Huge is an overstatement. You would lose 2 for weapon size and gain 1 for character size, so you would only be 1 point lower in AB, but have 1 point higher in AC.
Plus have better saves and better ranged attacks, but no keen sense or elven immunities. Take your pick.
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Is it really only 1 point? Maybe it's the other revisions I did that made this one so much better than the Halfling version, then. My Halfling Version had horrid AB.
And thanks for pointing out the +5 damage from having just plain Favoured Enemies...I always forget about that.
Edited By Acothea on 06/06/06 06:54
It's a good build. Nothing to add, really, but I'd like to point out that Camouflage and Mass Camouflage stack to give you +20 Hide.
Quote: Posted 06/05/06 23:34:49 (GMT) -- Acothea
Buffs: Mass Camouflage (longer duration than normal Camo)
_________________ "... C'est un pays plus nu que la terre polaire — Ni bêtes, ni ruisseaux, ni verdure, ni bois!
Or il n'est pas d'horreur au monde qui surpasse La froide cruauté de ce soleil de glace Et cette immense nuit semblable au vieux Chaos; ..."
Wow, thanks, Fin. I never realized that. ^^
Huge is an overstatement. You would lose 2 for weapon size and gain 1 for character size, so you would only be 1 point lower in AB, but have 1 point higher in AC.
Halflings gain +1 ab due size, but kamas are small weapons, which are treated as medium weapons (for halflings) giving them dual wield penalty of 4.
*edit* Ahem.. If you ment -1 ab compared to normal dual wield......
Edited By Crimson Clover on 06/06/06 09:40
Not much to add, it looks good. You might want to drop either your listen or spot (only max. one, I prefer listen) and pick up some trap setting skills. They can do a pretty good job of augmenting your damage, and you don't need huge levels in those skills to set the non-epic ones.
Also, you take your 2nd monk level at level 22. Either take it around level 12, so that you get to bump up your tumble, or move it to level 31 so you can bump up your discipline. This is more of a playability issue. _________________ Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do.
I wanted to take as few Monk pre-epic as possible, so I could get as high a BAB as I could. I took it at 22 so I could push tumble to 25.
Even another 3 more lvls of Monk preepic would not change your AB. Anyhow it's all a matter of where one wants the tumble dumps.
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I think kamas are tiny, actually, so no extra penalties.
They're not, the manual is wrong. _________________ "... C'est un pays plus nu que la terre polaire — Ni bêtes, ni ruisseaux, ni verdure, ni bois!
Or il n'est pas d'horreur au monde qui surpasse La froide cruauté de ce soleil de glace Et cette immense nuit semblable au vieux Chaos; ..."
Quote: Posted 06/06/06 12:41:38 (GMT) -- Acothea I took it at 22 so I could push tumble to 25.
Yes, but you could do that with rogue as well. In epic levels the only skills monk gives you which rogue doesn't have are concentration and discipline. _________________ Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do.
Quote: Posted 06/06/06 12:41:38 (GMT) -- Acothea I took it at 22 so I could push tumble to 25.
Yes, but you could do that with rogue as well. In epic levels the only skills monk gives you which rogue doesn't have are concentration and discipline.
Ahhh, I see what you're trying to say. Well, if you don't lose any more BAB for having another level of monk in Pre-Epic, then that would definitely help your playability. Grab it at 12 to max out your tumble, so you don't have to wait until level 22 to put more points into it. *nods*
