Proud to pronuce this new build. hope you will enjoy it
i got help from mith. original i put in focus in longbow, but i tried and tweaked it to only Grt Axe, i hope i did well with that part. so without any more bla bla bla. her he is the Rageing Bull
Raging Bull - Druid (11), Shifter (13), Barbarian (16) PvM from lvl 1-40 Race Dwarf (Duergar) Alignment NG, TN, CN or NE
Base Attributes STR 10 DEX 16 CON 14 INT 14 WIS 14 CHA 8 - 2 (Duergar gets - 2 in play so if you have 8 cha it turns 6)
Attribute Bonuses All 10 attribute bonuses increase dexterity
Final Level Distribution Barbarian 16 Druid 11 Shifter 13
Final Attributes STR 10 DEX 26 CON 14 INT 14 WIS 16 CHA 4
AB and Damage (no buffs, mundane Great Axe) 32/27/22/17 1D12 (20 x3) AC 24 (No items, no buffs) Final Saves (Vs. Spells) Fortitude 26 (36) Reflex 24 (34) Will 23 (33)
Minotaur Form Final Attributes STR 22 DEX 26 CON 20 INT 14 WIS 16 CHA 4
AB and Damage (no buffs, minotaur axe) 41/36/31/26 12+1D12 +1D6 fire (19-20 x3) (+12 to strength [greater rage, blood frenzy, bull's strength], minotaur axe) 47/42/37/32 21+1D12 +1D6 fire (19-20 x3) AC 34 (No items, no buffs) 38 (Barkskin) Final Saves (Vs. Spells) Fortitude 29 (39) Reflex 24 (34) Will 23 (33) Hit Points 674 (max. every level) Extra Feat Knockdown
comments and advices would be a must
Added lvl split to title - Kail Pendragon
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 06/07/06 16:09
Love the concept! Just my 2 cents...
Would you think about going Human? I see you alternating the early Barb/Druid to avoid XP penalties but if you could take 7 Druid levels early (for Stoneskin and Wildshape) he might be a little more playable early on. Say Barb1/Druid7 by level 8.
If I had a permanent haste item by level 39, I'd drop Blinding Speed, rearrange a little and get Undead Shape.
Nice concept! Shifter can be exploited in so many ways still with all its different forms. Looks like a pretty solid build from what I can see. I'd only worry about my buff's getting dispelled because of the lowish druid levels and your rage won't last a very long time. Even so, you get a pretty good AB and the taunt will help a lot.
Your save bonus from Spellcraft is not +10 (as you calculated), its actually +7. The bonus only results from ranks taken, not adjusted skill, and you can only get a maximum of +8 (40 divided by 5), as the bonus goes up 1 for every 5 points you put into spellcraft.
I'm not certain about Blinding speed. I'm sure its nice, but it seems like kind of a waste, given its only one use per day and lasts only 10 rounds.
I don't know what the rules are on this forum regarding this, but I'd prefer if you use a standard NWN race. Duergar should also have an ECL of +2, I believe. In the future, it would also be nice if you organized your posting a little better. A lot of the stats you posted are bunched together and difficult to read.
'Rageing' should be spelled 'raging', by the way.
Edited By Ythaniel on 06/07/06 15:54
Quote: Posted 06/07/06 15:53:28 (GMT) -- Ythaniel
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Your save bonus from Spellcraft is not +10 (as you calculated), its actually +7. The bonus only results from ranks taken, not adjusted skill, and you can only get a maximum of +8 (40 divided by 5), as the bonus goes up 1 for every 5 points you put into spellcraft. ...
Not correct, Spellcraft works with modified ranks, differently from tumble.
Cheers, Kail _________________ To hear the sound of Freedom, many gave their lives They fought for you and me Those memories will always live inside us, and now it's our time to be free
Wow, my bad. He still overcalculated it.
Not really, since Dwarves get +2 ST vs spells, the final +10 coming from spellcraft and dwarven bonus.
Cheers, Kail _________________ To hear the sound of Freedom, many gave their lives They fought for you and me Those memories will always live inside us, and now it's our time to be free
Not really, since Dwarves get +2 ST vs spells, the final +10 coming from spellcraft and dwarven bonus.
Cheers, Kail
K, you got me there.
Would've been nice if the OP would put that there as well.
Edit: you're sure its the same for Duergar? (Lost my FRCS)
Edited By Ythaniel on 06/07/06 17:33
According to the PRC manual yes
:: Duergar ::
Descended from a dwarf clan enslaved by mind flayers, duergar (a.k.a. gray dwarves) suffered for generations under enslavement and cruel experimentation at the hand of their cruel masters. Finally they managed to recover their freedom as a bitter and evil race with limited psionic powers. Male and female duergar are bald, and women do not grow beards. They are much thinner than other dwarves, with severe facial expressions, gray hair and gray skin.
Duergar Ability Adjustments: +2 Con, -4 Cha. Favored Class (Fighter): A multiclass duergar's fighter class does not count when determining whether he suffers an XP penalty for multiclassing.
- Stonecunning: +2 racial bonus on Search checks made in subterranean areas. - Darkvision: Duergar are able to see in the dark. - Immunity to Poisons: racial immunity to poisons. - Immunity to Paralysis: racial immunity to paralysis. - Hardiness vs. Spells: +2 racial bonus on saving throws against spells. - Offensive Training vs. Orcs: +1 racial bonus on attack rolls against orcs. - Offensive Training vs. Goblinoids: +1 racial bonus on attack rolls against goblinoids. - Defensive Training vs. Giants: +4 dodge bonus to AC against giants. - Skill Affinity (Lore): +2 racial bonus to Lore checks. - Skill Affinity (Move Silently): +4 racial bonus to Move Silently - Skill Affinity (Craft): +2 racial bonus to Craft Armor and Craft Weapon checks. - Skill Affinity (Appraise): +2 racial bonus to Appraise checks. - Partial Skill Affinity (Listen): +1 racial bonus to Listen checks. - Partial Skill Affinity (Spot): +1 racial bonus to Spot checks. - Immunity to Phantasms: Duergar are immune to phantasms such as Weird and Phantasmal Killer - Light Sensitivity: Duergar suffer -2 penalty to attack rolls, saves and checks while operating in bright light. - Spell-Like Abilities: 1/day - Invisibility. Caster level 3rd. - Dwarven: Duergar count as Dwarves for the purpose of spells.S
Racial feats: Darkvision Stonecunning Hardiness vs. Spells Battle Training vs. Orcs Battle Training vs. Goblins Battle Training vs. Giants Skill Affinity (Lore) Skill Affinity (Move Silently) Partial Skill Affinity (Listen) Partial Skill Affinity (Spot) Immunity to Phantasms Immunity Poison Immunity to Paralysis Light Sensitivity Skill Affinity (Craft Armor) Skill Affinity (Craft Weapon) Skill Affinity (Appraise) Invisibility Dwarven
Cheers, Kail _________________ To hear the sound of Freedom, many gave their lives They fought for you and me Those memories will always live inside us, and now it's our time to be free
Cool character!
But two things troubles me: You get your epic form very late, at lvl 35. The epic minotaur only has a +3 weapon. _________________ I generally avoid temptation, unless I can't resist it...
You only get wisdom 15 late in the game. You won't be casting any lvl 5 spells untill that happens. A lvl 9 Druid "can" get lvl 5 spells if he has the wisdom for it. Do item buffs make one qualify for spell ranges??
No, only base WIS qualifies you for spell ranges. Gear just grants additional spell slots, buffs not even that (both, of course, improve the DCs).
Cheers, Kail _________________ Looking for a realm of adventure? Check out World of Greyhawk, you won't regret it.
Nice! Those shifters . . . shape (& dwarf) boosts your stats, saves, and damage quite nicely. Minos seem to be very playable, with all armor etc. merging. Great HPs and, aside from RP and 'coolness,' looks quite playable; great axe, too: cool! Deserves a cool image to go along with it, oui?
yes i see your problem with the late epic, well im not to good at finding the small things that would put is so that you get epic faster, yes the blinding speed i toke because, i only focus on mino form, so i did´t wanted the undead shape ( kind a borring )and did not know what to take so i though why not give the bull some speed, and perm hast items are as i know not avaliabe on the server i play its low magic server it goes it goes to + 3 magic items wich are like rare items thier. if any have suggestion in how an alternativ lvl guid could feel free to post it.
thx Robert Tyr for the nice words about my little bull nice picture, and thx for the nice words all
Edited By Imp_lord on 06/08/06 06:38
Why did you not go with Human? _________________ "... C'est un pays plus nu que la terre polaire — Ni bêtes, ni ruisseaux, ni verdure, ni bois!
Or il n'est pas d'horreur au monde qui surpasse La froide cruauté de ce soleil de glace Et cette immense nuit semblable au vieux Chaos; ..."
because the duergar has somenice benefits that you could see that KP posstede, the human would gain one 1 feat more and and some skill points and the thier would be a xp penalty if im correct. and humans are beginning to bor me, so i try others races.
Quote: Posted 06/08/06 11:49:48 (GMT) -- Imp_lord
because the duergar has somenice benefits that you could see that KP posstede, the human would gain one 1 feat more and and some skill points and the thier would be a xp penalty if im correct. and humans are beginning to bor me, so i try others races.
But when you shift, you're not Duergar, you're a Minotaur. You don't (well, shouldn't, don't know how NWN handles it...) have the benefits anymore at that point. And no, the Human wouldn't get an XP penalty - Dwarf does. Besides, as Duergar isn't in standard NWN, you really can't post a Duergar build here. _________________ "... C'est un pays plus nu que la terre polaire — Ni bêtes, ni ruisseaux, ni verdure, ni bois!
Or il n'est pas d'horreur au monde qui surpasse La froide cruauté de ce soleil de glace Et cette immense nuit semblable au vieux Chaos; ..."
Quote: Posted 06/08/06 11:49:48 (GMT) -- Imp_lord
and humans are beginning to bor me, so i try others races.
I have that same problem sometimes, but still humans are all around me....
But when you shift, you're not Duergar, you're a Minotaur. You don't (well, shouldn't, don't know how NWN handles it...) have the benefits anymore at that point.
I think you're right. A dwarf in Shifted forms doesn't have extra CON
Quote: Posted 06/08/06 11:59:34 (GMT) -- FinneousPJ And no, the Human wouldn't get an XP penalty - Dwarf does. Besides, as Duergar isn't in standard NWN, you really can't post a Duergar build here.
That's true, Duergar goes for the PRC-forums. But he can make mention of it, just don't use Duergar stats in the write-up. _________________ Dragonlance ROH is back, better than before! and I spend a little time here WoG
if we look away from duergar just look at is as a dwarf, he doesnt get the -4 on server only - 2. so its a dwarf race but duergar for the server i play on.
Not really, since Dwarves get +2 ST vs spells, the final +10 coming from spellcraft and dwarven bonus.