1 Rogue(1) Dodge 2 Rogue(2) 3 Rogue(3) Weapon Finesse 4 Rogue(4) 5 Rogue(5) 6 Rogue(6) Mobility 7 Rogue(7) 8 Shadowdancer(1) 9 Rogue(8) Stealthy 10 Rogue(9) 11 Rogue(10) **Crippling Strike 12 Rogue(11) Spring Attack 13 Rogue(12) 14 Shadowdancer(2) 15 Shadowdancer(3) Expertise 16 Shadowdancer(4) 17 Shadowdancer(5) 18 Shadowdancer(6) Whirlwind Attack 19 Shadowdancer(7) 20 Shadowdancer(8) 21 Shadowdancer(9) Great Dexterity I 22 Shadowdancer(10) 23 Shadowdancer(11) 24 Shadowdancer(12) Great Dexterity II 25 Shadowdancer(13) *Epic Dodge 26 Shadowdancer(14) 27 Shadowdancer(15) Great Dexterity III 28 Shadowdancer(16) *Epic Shadowlord 29 Shadowdancer(17) 30 Shadowdancer(18) Great Dexterity IV 31 Shadowdancer(19) *Epic Skill Focus: Hide 32 Shadowdancer(20) 33 Rogue(13) Epic Skill Focus: Move Silently, **Self-Concealment I 34 Rogue(14) 35 Shadowdancer(21) 36 Shadowdancer(22) Self-Concealment II, *Self-Concealment III 37 Shadowdancer(23) 38 Shadowdancer(24) 39 Shadowdancer(25) Self-Concealment IV, *Self-Concealment V 40 Rogue(15)
*denotes a Shadowdancer bonus feat, **denotes a rogue bonus feat
Ending Stats:
Str: 14 Dex: 32 Con: 10 Wis: 10 Int: 14 Cha: 8
Skills (first number is number of ranks in skill, second number is skill with ability modifier and any skill focuses, racial bonuses, etc. added):
Total Skill Points=380
Hide 43(70) 43+11 Dex+10 Epic Skill Focus+2 Stealthy+4 Short Stature=70 Move Silently 43(68) 43+11 Dex+10 Epic Skill Focus+2 Stealthy+2 Racial Affinity=68 Spot 43(43) Listen 43(45) 43+2 Racial Affinity=45 Search 43(45) Tumble 40(51) Use Magic Device 35(34) this allows me to use all scrolls, because on hardcore settings you must make a check of 25+spell level to be able to use the scroll Disable Trap 40(42) Open Lock 40(51) 10 to skill of your choice (lore would be my pick)
If you want to, you can take skill points away from open lock and disable trap to add more skill points to your extra skill
HP: 290(when maxed at each level)
AC: 31(naked) 10+8 Tumble+11 Dex+1 Dodge+1 Short Stature=31
BAB: 25 AB: 37/32/27
My game is acting kind of strange, so those numbers may be incorrect. They are the numbers that show up on the character sheet in the saved characters section, but whenever I enter a module the BAB and AB are lower for some reason.
Saves:
Fort 17 Reflex 36 Will 17
Advantages: ~50% Self-Concealment ~Epic Dodge ~Whirlwind Attack ~Large Skill Set ~Uncanny Dodge and Improved Evasion ~Incredible Stealth Abilities ~Good AC
Disadvantages: ~Low HP ~Low Will and Fortitude Saves ~Mediocre AB ~Low Damage
Took the rouge away from the rogue, fixed some stats - Kail Pendragon
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 06/22/06 21:51
The stats in the saved character section are never right, cause they get calculated with the preepic progression also in epic levels. Look only at the stats in game and better yet at the logs (with combat debugging enabled possibly). Your BAB is 25, for example, not 29.
You'll have to forgive me, but I can't hold it back: it's rogue, damnit, R-O-G-U-E
PM me the right stats after checking them up in game, please, I'll edit them in.
Now, you are not taking any weapon foci and no EP and your AB is really low, when it could easily be an acceptable 41. AS would help too and so would Blind Fight and KD/IKD or Called Shot. Spring Attack is a waste, although you are probably taking it only as a prerequisite for WWA, which is no big deal, actually, apart at the lower levels. I'd drop both of them to get better feats preepic. Stealthy is probably droppable, your stealthy skills are good enough. Epic Shadowlord also is no big deal better get something else (and the choice is wide).
HPs are too low, drop WIS to 8 and raise CON to 12. STR 14 is too expensive for a dexer halfling , go with 12 and free up another 4 points.
Actually I'd get more Rogue in for the sneaks. What about some fighter levels for extra feats and possibly WS/EWS to give you some dmg output?
Skills: where's set trap? A dexer sneaker with low damage output is gonna need to set traps to prepare the battle field. Points in spellcraft will improve your saves vs spells too. Drop one of spot or listen and put those points in set trap and spellcraft. I'd get less open locks and search too, usually you don't need such high values in those skills.
I guess that's all for now, just a few suggestion after a quick glance.
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Edited By Kail Pendragon on 06/22/06 21:49
Where's your third class _________________ "We keep our Feast of Feasts, sure of our bourne, Our aims self-same: The Guest of Guests, friend Zarathustra, came! The world now laughs, the grisly veil was torn, And Light and Dark were one that wedding-morn."
I'd definitely consider taking a couple levels of either fighter or COT to get a 4th attack and a couple combat feats. You really need weapon focuses and so forth.
The epic shadowlord is actually quite a nice summon, but you have to buff him improved invisibility because he loses his concealment bonus when he turns from normal to epic. It's still worth doing though, the epic one has much better stats in other regards. And he gets stronger with SD levels, so that's possibly why the build is so SD-heavy.
Still, you'd be better off IMO with more rogue for sneak dice... no summon is ever as good as the player who summoned it. _________________ Experience is the mother of good judgement; bad judgement is the father of experience.
Hmmm ... at level 25, Shadow Evade is quite nice, and gives a good concealment bonus in addition to DR. You may want to think about dropping SC completely, since you already have undispellable concealment in that form. _________________ CATS!
Quote: Posted 06/22/06 22:50:01 (GMT) -- avarielo
Hmmm ... at level 25, Shadow Evade is quite nice, and gives a good concealment bonus in addition to DR. You may want to think about dropping SC completely, since you already have undispellable concealment in that form.
Shadow evade has a hideously short duration and is limited uses/day... SC 5 is still much-needed, often one use of shadow evade won't last for one entire fight. _________________ Experience is the mother of good judgement; bad judgement is the father of experience.
Thanks for the advice!
I decided to go for more fighter and rogue and less shadowdancer. That does take away from my "Master of Shadows" plan, but thats okay.
Right now, I am thinking Rogue 25/Fighter 14/Shadowdancer 1. With that, I will have a nice 13d6 Sneak Attack, a better Fortidtude save, better AB, Weapon Foci, Weapon Spec., EP, plus I should still be able to get Self-Concealment, Epic Dodge and Epic Skill Foci.
I'll work on the build some tonight and post an updated version when I finish it!
Results from pulse cap's build searcher: Zhentarim Field Agent /Fighter 14/SD 1/Rogue 25 by grizzled_dwarflord Elven Rogue (Rogue 25/Fighter 14/SD 1) by Mithdradates Halfling Rogue (Rogue 25/Fighter 14/SD 1) by Mithdradates Hestor Lighthand /Rogue 25/Fighter 14/Shadowdancer 1 by neenex _________________ "We keep our Feast of Feasts, sure of our bourne, Our aims self-same: The Guest of Guests, friend Zarathustra, came! The world now laughs, the grisly veil was torn, And Light and Dark were one that wedding-morn."
Well, I finished the build and will post it after I have a chance to test it (probably sometime tomorrow night).
It worked out pretty well. I was able to squeeze in most of what I wanted, plus I fit in KD, IKD and Improved Critical.
I did have to give up 2 fairly important feats, though. I couldn't fit in Crippling Strike or Slippery Mind because I had to use the Rouge bonus feats for Self-Conceal.
Okay, here is the new build. What do you guys think?
Sneaking Death (Rogue 25/Fighter 14/Shadowdancer 1)
Skills (first number is number of ranks in skill, second number is skill with ability modifier and any skill focuses, racial bonuses, etc. added):
Total Skill Points=344
Hide 43(68) 43+11 Dex+10 Epic Skill Focus+4 Short Stature=68 Move Silently 43(66) 43+11 Dex+10 Epic Skill Focus+2 Racial Affinity=66 Listen 43(44) 43+2 Racial Affinity-1 Wis=44 Search 40(42) Tumble 40(51) Discipline 42(42) Use Magic Device 35(34) this allows me to use all scrolls, because on hardcore settings you must make a check of 25+spell level to be able to use the scroll Set Trap 25(38) 25+11 Dex+2 Synergy Bonus=38 Disable Trap 23(27) 23+2 Int+2 Synergy Bonus=27 Open Lock 10(21)
HP: 338(when maxed at each level) ((25*6)+(14*10)+(1*8)+40 from Con)=338
AC: 31(naked) 10+8 Tumble+11 Dex+1 Dodge+1 Short Stature=31
Fort 21 Reflex 33 Will 17 (15 if Iron Will is not taken)
Advantages: ~50% Self-Concealment ~Epic Dodge ~Whirlwind Attack ~Large Skill Set ~Uncanny Dodge and Improved Evasion ~Incredible Stealth Abilities ~Good AC ~Not Bad AB and Damage for a Dex-based character ~13d6 Sneak Attack Damage
Disadvantages: ~Mediocre HP ~Very Bad Will Save ~Low Fortitude Save
Edit:Changed some skills that I messed up on
Edited By short_little_halfling on 06/24/06 02:19
You haven't put any feats in fighter 10 and 12, I assume EWF and EWS? Aside from that, check out the other builds with the same level-scheme and check if they look like yours? If not, you can post it as a new post.
About the build, it's way better, at least way more my style than the first one. It's a pretty standard build though, I often end mine on Fighter10/SD1/Rogue29. A build with SD1 will be better than a build with SD25 99 out of 100 times. _________________ Dragonlance ROH is back, better than before! and I spend a little time here WoG
