Please note that this is not a copy of fin's very recently posted Halfling Vindicator. I came up with this concept, while trying to figure out a way to make a decent dex-based paladin.
This build is only a halfling because I chose to use one. In reality, elf would be far more appropriate, as it would give you an additional 4 ability points at the start. Also, you would have no size penalties, and as such you could use shortswords instead of daggers.
I'm afraid that I've only played this build up to level 28, but I suspect it would still be moderately good afterwards. Also, due to this, I will be missing a few things (saves and AB mostly), just because I have nothing to refer to. If anyone else can figure it out without the build in front of them, that's fine by me.
I'd like to have played it more, but my computer seems to be permanently dead... as of now, I'm using my dad's old work computer, which barely meets the prerequisites to use cable internet, let alone run NWN.
That's enough moping for now, here's my build.
The Seraphic edge
Race: Halfling (like I said earlier, it would probably be better with an elf)
Playble from level 3 - 40 (although in reality it doesn't really begin to make an impact until 12)
Works well in PvM and I suspect it would work alright in PvP.
Alignment: Lawful Good
Stats Str 13 Dex 16 (26) Con 8 Wis 8 Int 14 Cha 16 (22)
AB - 39 (when dual-wielding mundane daggers, +6 for buffed dex, +7 for Divine Wrath)... I think.
Saves (Including Sacred defense and unbuffed Divine Grace) Fort 37 Refl 45 Will 29
Strengths -High AC possible + epic dodge
-With high saves, improved evasion and slippery mind, it can be very difficult to hurt this build (magic wise)
- if cha is fully buffed, can get a total of an extra +19 divine damage per hit, for 12 rounds
-Sneak Attack 8d6 (nothing to email home about, but it's still nice)
Weaknesses -Poor HP (barely 300) for a build with that many fighter class levels
-Ability point wastage in an attempt to get Power Attack
-Absolutely no spellcasting ability, due to a low wisdom.
Notes: Using an elf instead, means that you could either further enhance your starting DEX to 18, have a CON of 10, or get an extra point in STR and CHA, freeing up one epic feat.
Edited By FinneousPJ on 06/26/06 10:19
You need to drop Dodge/Mobility/Spring Attack for something more useful. Spring Attack for EP, the other two for Extra Smiting & Turning, perhaps.
Your saves are as follows:
37 Fortitude 36 Reflex 29 Will
I think.
It's a nice DEX Paladin. I'll be posting more of these when I get them polished enough _________________ "We keep our Feast of Feasts, sure of our bourne, Our aims self-same: The Guest of Guests, friend Zarathustra, came! The world now laughs, the grisly veil was torn, And Light and Dark were one that wedding-morn."
Yeah, drop what Finn says and I'd drop Slippery Mind too for Crippling Strike.
Why do you say it's playable from lvl 3 only? Looks like the first 2 lvls aren't troublesome.
Let us now the saves, it's a requirement.
Cheers, Kail _________________ Looking for a realm of adventure? Check out World of Greyhawk, you won't regret it.
To Fin, isn't dodge a prerequisite for epic dodge? As for mobility and spring attack, I actually forgot that with 48 ranks in tumble that spring attack would be practically useless, mobility was there just as a prerequisite for spring attack.
I think I'll probably swap mobility and spring attack for extra turning and epic prowess.
Okay, assuming I figured it out properly, these are the saves of this build.
(buffed CHA) Fort 20, divine grace + modifiers 33, buffed CHA 39 Refl 28, divine grace + modifiers 42, buffed DEX & CHA 54 Will 16, divine grace + modifiers 29, buffed CHA 35
If there wrong, someone please tell me.
To kail, regarding it's playability, While it's true that it isn't really unlayable at level 1, with only a +1 bonus to hit and +1 damage, it would still be quite troublesome. As opposed to level 3, when it has weapon finesse and it's dagger/shortsword get's a +3 to hit instead.
Also as for swapping Slippery mind in favour of crippling strike, don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of -2 strength per sneak attack (in fact, it's one of my favourite feats). But it didn't really seem very "paladin-esque", so slippery mind was taken more for flavour reasons.
Now that I think about it, sneak attacks on the whole aren't very paladin like, but they're somewhat unavoidable.
Edited By Big Meph on 06/23/06 23:06
Quote: Posted 06/23/06 22:59:29 (GMT) -- Big Meph
To Fin, isn't dodge a prerequisite for epic dodge?
No. _________________ "We keep our Feast of Feasts, sure of our bourne, Our aims self-same: The Guest of Guests, friend Zarathustra, came! The world now laughs, the grisly veil was torn, And Light and Dark were one that wedding-morn."
To Fin, isn't dodge a prerequisite for epic dodge?
No.
Well regardless of whether or not it's a prerequisite, that was taken as a COT bonus feat, which is unfortunately very limited. So aside from knockdown, called shot or improved power attack, there's really nothing else I can take.
To Fin, isn't dodge a prerequisite for epic dodge?
No.
Well regardless of whether or not it's a prerequisite, that was taken as a COT bonus feat, which is unfortunately very limited. So aside from knockdown, called shot or improved power attack, there's really nothing else I can take.
Swap two CoT levels for Paladin pre-epic, take Toughness at level 1 and move Power attack to a CoT bonus feat. You gain Toughness and an epic bonus feat. Yay.
edit: you'd be ending Paladin 10/CoT 14 _________________ "We keep our Feast of Feasts, sure of our bourne, Our aims self-same: The Guest of Guests, friend Zarathustra, came! The world now laughs, the grisly veil was torn, And Light and Dark were one that wedding-morn."
Swap two CoT levels for Paladin pre-epic, take Toughness at level 1 and move Power attack to a CoT bonus feat. You gain Toughness and an epic bonus feat. Yay.
edit: you'd be ending Paladin 10/CoT 14
You know, I could just take toughness instead of dodge, seeing as I don't really "gain" and epic feat, all I'm doing is converting a normal feat into an epic one (and I was pretty happy with the epic feats I took).
Also, I just realised that Mobility was a COT bonus feat as well. There is a way to get around it, at the cost of severely decreasing playability. Swap Weap Finesse at 3 for WF: dagger at level 6, then swap level 6 Weap Finesse for extra turning, and take Weapon finesse as a COT bonus feat.
You take Dodge-line of worthless feats and you don't even have Blindfight or KD? Well..... _________________ I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide. I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
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Hmmm... if you read the previous posts, you may notice that originally I thought dodge was a prerequisite for epic dodge, and I also had Spring attack.
Seeing as I'm getting rid of those, I might just take blindfight... but not knockdown.
Quote: Posted 06/23/06 22:59:29 (GMT) -- Big Meph
I think I'll probably swap mobility and spring attack for extra turning and epic prowess.
That sounds good - if you're relying on your divines, you'll want extra charges; then again, you attack from the shadow, KD, better ... raises your AB on a successful knock, and that way your sneaks work, and they can't fight back/sling at you when on their back; EP, for sure. That's like having a permanent Prayer blessing on ya, 24-7 and can't be dispelled - Tyr is with you
Quote: Posted 06/23/06 22:59:29 (GMT) -- Big Meph ...as for swapping Slippery mind in favour of crippling strike, ... didn't really seem very "paladin-esque",....
Who on earth told you that? You're "James Bond" so to speak, out to get the info your king/queen needs, and out to stop the bad guy, to save the planet before that bad guy destroys it - isn't it better than innocents sleep at night? Is smiting the baddies into a gazillion molecules really any different, so long as you act honorably and it *is* the baddie you're after (and not just his/her wallet
(love this concept; sneaker-pallys, totally! Remember, a Rogue is with a capital "R" and that Pally starts with a "P" -- thus, it's all in how you RP it (cool, Meph)
~ just a poor knight follower of Tyr meself
Edited By TyrTemplar on 06/24/06 10:03
Oh, and BF, too (btw, trust you'll take my post in good fun, as it's meant; I'd say that I was just "playin' around' but prefer the term "jest" or "fun" since the Grimmer will jump on that, as he did on poor Avado for saying that exact term once Seriously, though, there are many great pearls of wisdom in what Kail, Grim, Finn & everyone are saying up there.
Your build is neat. Pally-rogues are cool; I just posted one, with spell access; Finn's is smite, and I saw your post in there, so am now checking out yours. For real, I love how you got the DM and DS in there, and yet also got ED in there, too. Nice! With that, Extra Turn makes total sense. But EP and BF do, too -- that's just my two cents, and once again, really neat!
Edited By TyrTemplar on 06/24/06 11:09
Quote: Posted 06/23/06 23:55:55 (GMT) -- Big Meph
You know, I could just take toughness instead of dodge, seeing as I don't really "gain" and epic feat, all I'm doing is converting a normal feat into an epic one (and I was pretty happy with the epic feats I took).
I was thinking of Armor Skin, really. But it's not crucial of course. _________________ "We keep our Feast of Feasts, sure of our bourne, Our aims self-same: The Guest of Guests, friend Zarathustra, came! The world now laughs, the grisly veil was torn, And Light and Dark were one that wedding-morn."
Oh, and BF, too (btw, trust you'll take my post in good fun, as it's meant; I'd say that I was just "playin' around' but prefer the term "jest" or "fun" since the Grimmer will jump on that, as he did on poor Avado for saying that exact term once
Oh, that was what you thought I meant. I meant that i was not sure how much he was kidding, since Pal/CoT/PM is not possible. Dirty girl....
[/offtopic]This build is nice, but I find value in KD too, in a build with this amount of sneak-attavks. But there is also value in Extra Turning for sure, so it's tricky to get the choices right..... _________________ Dragonlance ROH is back, better than before! and I spend a little time here WoG
If any mods have any free time, could they please make the following changes ?
-Swap Dodge at level 10 for Knockdown -Swap Mobility at level 20 for Blind-Fight -Swap Spring Attack at 33 for Epic Prowess
Also, I wrote Great CHA III is taken at 38, which should be 39. And one quick last thing, could someone move the Saves I figured out to the OP.
I decided to take knockdown instead of extra turning, because with a buffed CHA modifier of +12 I figured that 15 turning attempts a day is good enough. Also, despite the fact that I can't knockdown anything as big or bigger then an ogre, it should still work fine in PvP.
Edited By Big Meph on 06/24/06 12:44
I changed the feats (and added +1 to AB) but I can't edit in the saves, since I get the idea they're still not confirmed. Please test it.
Quote: Posted 06/23/06 22:59:29 (GMT) -- Big Meph
Okay, assuming I figured it out properly, these are the saves of this build.
(buffed CHA) Fort 20, divine grace + modifiers 33, buffed CHA 39 Refl 28, divine grace + modifiers 42, buffed DEX & CHA 54 Will 16, divine grace + modifiers 29, buffed CHA 35
If there wrong, someone please tell me.
_________________ "We keep our Feast of Feasts, sure of our bourne, Our aims self-same: The Guest of Guests, friend Zarathustra, came! The world now laughs, the grisly veil was torn, And Light and Dark were one that wedding-morn."
I changed the feats (and added +1 to AB) but I can't edit in the saves, since I get the idea they're still not confirmed. Please test it.
You're right, they aren't confirmed, but as of 2 days ago, I do not have access to a computer that can even run NWN... so testing it is quite impossible for me right now.
Unless someone else feels like doing it, I'll get aound to it A.S.A.P. (which pretty much means as soon as I get a new computer )
My computer was rebuilt with new parts!!!
And so, seeing as exams are over, the first thing I did was level this build to 40.
The final stats are as follows: AB - 38 (dual wielding mundane daggers) AC (Naked) - 26
Saves (Including Sacred defense and unbuffed Divine Grace) Fort 37 Refl 45 Will 29
If any mods are on, and aren't too busy... please ?
Done. _________________ "We keep our Feast of Feasts, sure of our bourne, Our aims self-same: The Guest of Guests, friend Zarathustra, came! The world now laughs, the grisly veil was torn, And Light and Dark were one that wedding-morn."
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My computer was rebuilt with new parts!!! 
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Done.