Decent walking the path to 40 PvM. Shortcircuits bigger badguys in one, in two and in three. Literally.
Woe to the evil to stand in your way PvP. Don't PvP anyone else.
The Grimsmiter isn't all that really. Decent abilities unbuffed, extra help from buffs, impossible to dispel for non-mages, decent AB for a smiter, and nice damage and AC when needed. I think he would be better and better the lower the magic of the world.
Enough wish-wash, here comes the truth.
Paladin(26) Fighter(4) CoT(10), Human You're a Pally, pal, LG!
01:Pal1: Power Attack, WF: Longsword 02:Pal2: 03:Pal3: Divine Shield 04:Pal4: CHA+1(17) 05:Pal5 06:Pal6: Divine Might 07:Pal7 08:Pal8: CHA+1(18) 09:Pal9: Kdown 10:Pal10 11:Pal11 12:Pal1): Blind Fight, CHA+1(19) 13:Pal13 14:Pal14 15:Pal15: Extra Smiting 16:Pal16: CHA+1(20) 17:Pal17 18:Pal18: ImpCrit: Longsword 19:Pal1) 20:Pal20: CHA+1(21) 21:Fgt1: EWF: Longsword, GrCha I(22) 22:Fgt2: Armor Skin 23:Fgt3 24:Fgt4: CHA+1, GrCha II, Epic Prowess, (CHA=24) 25:Pal21 26:Pal22 27:CoT1: GrCha III(25) 28:Pal23: CHA+1, Great Smite I, (CHA=26) 29:CoT2: Great Smite II 30:CoT3: Great Smite III 31:CoT4: Great Smite IV 32:Pal24: STR+1(15) 33:CoT5: Great Smite V 34:CoT6: Great Smite VI 35:CoT7 36:Pal25: STR+1, Great Smite VII, (STR=16) 37:CoTo8: Great Smite VIII 38:CoT9 39:CoT10: GrStr I, Great Smite IX, (STR=17) 40:Pal26: STR+1, Great Smite X, (STR=18)
Spell slots: 1-4 4/4/3/3.
Hitpoints: 440
Saving Throws Fortitude 36 Reflex 28 Will 31, will increase with CHA modifier and Divine Wrath.
BAB: 30 AB(mundane longsword): 38/33/28/23 +3 Bless, Aid(26turns), prayer(26rounds) +5 Divine favor +5 holysword(26rounds) or GMW(26hours) +2 Bull's. +5 Divine Wrath. (13-19 rounds/day) = 58. +Smite AB, with Aura of glory and Eagle's splendor +70. Smite AB with all the buffs above and MAX STR and CHA= 76. You have also the opportunity to taunt to lower your opponents AC by 6.
AC (naked/Fullplate+Towerboard): 15/26, room for 2 more DEX. +8-14 from divine shield.
Dmg: 1d8+4(17-20/x2) +8-14 from divine might +5 divine Favor +5 holysword +1d6 vs evil. Okay at least.
Smite. 36 x 11 = 396. 792 with a crit.
Should dispatch most opponents in that one blow. Make it count. Hear: Have long-term buffs up, Bless, Aid, GMW. When you encounter the foe, Use divine shield, Cast Holysword, Prayer(lower opponents AB), Divine Wrath and Divine Favour. Try to KD your opponent if you can, then taunt him while he is on his back. Then Smite. Wave goodbye and give the widow his spare change. If you can't KD him, you should still take your time to taunt him, unless you are uncertain you can survive 1 round of flat-footedness. You must make the Smite count. When up against epic dodgers do not taunt, sneak-attacks will get you. It is very important to time your attacks. I assume you are hasted, for 5 APR. Smite on your first attack AND second attack (the first flurry), he will EVADE the first one and have spent the Dodge. Then leave the second flurry to itself, and smite again with your last attack (at MAX AB.) Should do the trick. Or hold off your smites and wait for the EVADE msg to show and deliver three quick smites and hope the round doesn't turn.
With PvM, try to taunt opponents that fight someone else or after they are knocked down.
This build gets 17 Epic Feats. There are many smiters around, I just wanted to do one that really do it to the max. When you make a great smiter, be sure to win by the time they are spent. This build would surely benefit from using a scimitar, but it feels oh so wrong to me.
Rock on.
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Edited By Grimnir77 on 06/28/06 17:28
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Like in the movies I present you with an alternate ending. 2 lower AB, 1 from EP and 1 from loss of STR. +5 damage and ESF: Taunt.
21: Fighter(1): Great Charisma I, Epic Weapon Focus: Longsword, (CHA=22) 22: Fighter(2): Armor Skin 23: Fighter(3) 24: Fighter(4): CHA+1, Weapon Specialization: Longsword, Epic Weapon Specialization: Longsword, (CHA=23) 25: Paladin(21) 26: Paladin(22) 27: Champion of Torm(1): Great Charisma II, (CHA=24) 28: Paladin(23): CHA+1, Great Smite I, (CHA=25) 29: Champion of Torm(2): Great Smite II 30: Champion of Torm(3): Great Smite III 31: Champion of Torm(4): Great Smite IV 32: Paladin(24): STR+1, (STR=15) 33: Champion of Torm(5): Great Smite V 34: Champion of Torm(6): Great Smite VI 35: Champion of Torm(7) 36: Paladin(25): STR+1, Great Smite VII, (STR=16) 37: Champion of Torm(8): Great Smite VIII 38: Champion of Torm(9) 39: Champion of Torm(10): Epic Skill Focus: Taunt, Great Smite IX 40: Paladin(26): CHA+1, Great Smite X, (CHA=26)
Quote: Posted 03/06/06 18:56:45 (GMT) -- FinneousPJ Trollborn Asgardian by the master of the Norse legends, Grimnir himself!
Well done Grim, I was wondering how much more time you needed to post it since we talked about it in the build request forum and I was almost about to post my now tested version (which is almost the same)
I'd go with scimitar to maximise the chance of critical smite (at least in PvM), but for the rest, nothing to add. Smite on!
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Pain, Great Smiting X.
Quote: Woe to the evil to stand in your way PvP. Don't PvP anyone else.
Maybe true, but he's strong anyway, his AB isn't bad and his divine damage is good even without smiting, his AC could be a problem though.
Quote: Like in the movies I present you with an alternate ending. 2 lower AB, 1 from EP and 1 from loss of STR. +5 damage and ESF: Taunt.
21: Fighter(1): Great Charisma I, Epic Weapon Focus: Longsword, (CHA=22) 22: Fighter(2): Armor Skin 23: Fighter(3) 24: Fighter(4): CHA+1, Weapon Specialization: Longsword, Epic Weapon Specialization: Longsword, (CHA=23) 25: Paladin(21) 26: Paladin(22) 27: Champion of Torm(1): Great Charisma II, (CHA=24) 28: Paladin(23): CHA+1, Great Smite I, (CHA=25) 29: Champion of Torm(2): Great Smite II 30: Champion of Torm(3): Great Smite III 31: Champion of Torm(4): Great Smite IV 32: Paladin(24): STR+1, (STR=15) 33: Champion of Torm(5): Great Smite V 34: Champion of Torm(6): Great Smite VI 35: Champion of Torm(7) 36: Paladin(25): STR+1, Great Smite VII, (STR=16) 37: Champion of Torm(8): Great Smite VIII 38: Champion of Torm(9) 39: Champion of Torm(10): Epic Skill Focus: Taunt, Great Smite IX 40: Paladin(26): CHA+1, Great Smite X, (CHA=26)
Heh, you were expecting someone to point out that you didn't got WS/EWS right? smart of you, I was about to say that.
Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 06/29/06 03:44
*bows*
Thank you for this one! You are certainly the master smiter! I can remember tryin to do this last year (when it was cool to be a smiter), but the most I could get was smite 7 or something. I see my flaws now... tried to get too greedy with the charisma (iirc i tried to get 32 or something like that!). *edit* I remember now! I was tryin to make a HUGE divine mighter PLUS a great smiter! *like the edit before the post *
I am wondering if it would be worth it to drop cha to 24 and take str to 20? Could you do that for the second build to make up for, at least alittle, ab loss?
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Quote: Posted 06/29/06 04:56:55 (GMT) -- avado
I am wondering if it would be worth it to drop cha to 24 and take str to 20?
You need cha 25 to qualify for great smite _________________ The curve is more powerful than the sword -- BG courtesan
Hey, Grim, nice build - you went for it, smite X did ya? Cool! Yeah, AC seems to be a problem on these ones, but the divines sure help out. Nice skills, too. AB ain't too bad (that's what on smiters the cha-bonus is for nor is the damage bad either (got the divine and spells, too). Ah, but Smite X, my friend - my version, as you know, went for the str/ab stuff, and stopped thus at a weak smite V ah, but with smite X, heck, what follow-up combat?
Cool! It's a beach smite only works on evil, but still, you went for it, oh master of Norse Lore - smite X - it just looks so darn good! (talk about working for the forces of good - to the evil out there - YEOUCH! (nice, Grim, very nice) ~ Deb Tyr
Edited By TyrTemplar on 06/29/06 08:49
Good one, Grim. Nothing to add. Such builds are pretty straight forward with little room for tweaks. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
Paladin 26 /CoT 10 /Fighter 4 by Darth Baenre. Not smiting. Guardian of Light /Paladin 26/Fighter 4/CoT 10 by Mick Dagger. Great Smite 3. Heculean Knight /CoT 10/Fighter 10/Paladin 20 by Mithradates. Not a smiter.
And my similar build: The Smiting Knight Of Vor /Paladin 23/WM 7/CoT 10
Just WM instead of Fighter. I keep on thinking about a Paly/COT/Rogue with 1 lvl of Rogue for UMD just to read scrolls to help with your major weakness of sneakers, but I haven't found the time.
Like you the scimitar feels wrong for my guy, but it works the best for my purposes.
I am wondering if it would be worth it to drop cha to 24 and take str to 20?
You need cha 25 to qualify for great smite
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First of all, nice build, currently playing it in one of my PW (still low lvl though)
Question which I face.
Is it worth to drop -2 con and add +2 to int and get IKD instead of BlindFight?
I'm still very confused what the real power of IKD is.
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Is it worth to drop -2 con and add +2 to int and get IKD instead of BlindFight?
I'm still very confused what the real power of IKD is.
No. IKD is mostly novelty, but does allow you to KD dragons and such huge critters. On the other hand it effectively induces a penalty of 4 to the defender's Disc roll. BF is very necessary against concealed opponents. _________________ "We keep our Feast of Feasts, sure of our bourne, Our aims self-same: The Guest of Guests, friend Zarathustra, came! The world now laughs, the grisly veil was torn, And Light and Dark were one that wedding-morn."
So correct me if I'm wrong, but without IKD you cant hit anything larger than two size categories higher than you right?
So large yes, but above large you cant?
Just to avoid some confusion I've been having
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Well done Grim, I was wondering how much more time you needed to post it since we talked about it in the build request forum and I was almost about to post my now tested version (which is almost the same)
I'd go with scimitar to maximise the chance of critical smite (at least in PvM), but for the rest, nothing to add. Smite on!
Cheers, Kail
This build has been ready awhile, yeah. Yeah, scimitar would almost ensure at least 1 crit from every third smite, actually 1 or 2. If you take good precautions, you will confirm most threats.
Good one, Grim. Nothing to add. Such builds are pretty straight forward with little room for tweaks.
Well, yeah. But when I found out I could need 17(!) Epic feats I went for it. But alas, EWS cost me 1 AB, hence the two versions. Hard to get decent AB AND great smite X and stay playable throughout. I think it worked just fine in this one. Much thanks to Pally spells, I'll admit.
Quote: Posted 06/29/06 16:35:12 (GMT) -- GoVols
And my similar build: The Smiting Knight Of Vor /Paladin 23/WM 7/CoT 10
Just WM instead of Fighter. I keep on thinking about a Paly/COT/Rogue with 1 lvl of Rogue for UMD just to read scrolls to help with your major weakness of sneakers, but I haven't found the time.
Like you the scimitar feels wrong for my guy, but it works the best for my purposes.
Well, it's similar. But WM instead of fighter really makes you feat starved and quickly starts to cost AB or Great Smites. But the increased crit range and multiplier is nice, though. There are more of those combo's too. I remember one from Kail at least.
So correct me if I'm wrong, but without IKD you cant hit anything larger than two size categories higher than you right?
So large yes, but above large you cant?
Just to avoid some confusion I've been having
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1 size category above yourself. You can KD large opponents, but not huge. So IKD isn't advisable since it will cost you Blindfight. It's also not advisable to lessen hitpoints any further.
For last, thank you everyone for your comments, praises, suggestions, curses. I appreciate it.
Smite on. _________________ I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide. I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
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Grim, just thought I'd add this link to your cool smiter, too, so folks can see what spells pally's get to choose from; afterall, 26 level Pally, gets some nice buffs and, in addition to the divines, the spells help out with saves, AC, and AB, too
Once again, well done, oh master of Norse Lore; and hey, if you're gonna squeeze all 10 of 'em in there (as you do), might as make each smite count (and well you do! Nice, Grim: smite on against those nasty evil forces, indeed!
(which is almost the same)
Maybe true, but he's strong anyway, his AB isn't bad and his divine damage is good even without smiting, his AC could be a problem though.
to be a smiter), but the most I could get was smite 7 or something. I see my flaws now... tried to get too greedy with the charisma (iirc i tried to get 32 or something like that!). *edit* I remember now! I was tryin to make a HUGE divine mighter PLUS a great smiter! *like the edit before the post 
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my bad!! I totally forgot that little thingy. Words to the wize : dont post 5 minutes before you are leaving to go on a trip. THe mind just isnt focused!!