Cheers! _________________ "With Europe liberated, the people of the world turned their attention to that old devil, the United States of America [...] We taught that monster of old the true meaning of freedom." Star Wreck
Edited By FinneousPJ on 07/24/06 23:08
WOW! A mention in the OP!! I must be drinking too much to see things clearly!
Like i said before, this build is quite playable from the start. I did some things differently (i kept your idea of dual kamas, despite the objections). I also lvld the cleric and monk up to 7/6 after 1 rog lvl then rounded out the pre-epic with the remaining 6 rogue lvls to end the same. THis gave me the spells earlier and the IKD at 12. I gave up the sneak damage.
All in all, this is an amazingly fun build. THanks for pointing out this guy to me Finn. _________________
I think avado answered your question like no other could...
Your attack schedule is from dual-wielding, a thing I would do even in this one. It's only 1 worse than the elf version and I refuse to agree that 1 point is the be-all end-all of it.
It's truly a great character who really shines at lvl 40. Not so sure about how he'd do in early-life.
Through and through it's a cool concept no matter. _________________ I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide. I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
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Quote: Posted 07/24/06 21:30:58 (GMT) -- avado
WOW! A mention in the OP!! I must be drinking too much to see things clearly!
What, that juice y'all canadians call beer?
Quote: Posted 07/24/06 21:30:58 (GMT) -- avado
Like i said before, this build is quite playable from the start. I did some things differently (i kept your idea of dual kamas, despite the objections). I also lvld the cleric and monk up to 7/6 after 1 rog lvl then rounded out the pre-epic with the remaining 6 rogue lvls to end the same. THis gave me the spells earlier and the IKD at 12. I gave up the sneak damage.
Sounds cool, yeah. Good alternative for pre-epic leveling
Quote: Posted 07/24/06 21:30:58 (GMT) -- avado
All in all, this is an amazingly fun build. THanks for pointing out this guy to me Finn.
Your attack schedule is from dual-wielding, a thing I would do even in this one. It's only 1 worse than the elf version and I refuse to agree that 1 point is the be-all end-all of it.
Oh dang, you're right! I'll go and change it (and make a note about the dual-wield, too).
It's truly a great character who really shines at lvl 40. Not so sure about how he'd do in early-life.
Through and through it's a cool concept no matter.
You should listen to avado
Thanks for the comments. _________________ "With Europe liberated, the people of the world turned their attention to that old devil, the United States of America [...] We taught that monster of old the true meaning of freedom." Star Wreck
Awesome, Finn! Speakin' of listenin' to Avado -- keep the dual attack schedule - c'mon, Grim & Av are right: just look at those attacks, and that damage potential of yours! Talk about some hurt, and those protections/concealment of yours, too: COOL (well done, Finn. As usual) ~ Tyr
Edited By TyrTemplar on 07/24/06 23:03
Thanks, Tyr.
I made the edits and added the dual-wield stuff _________________ "With Europe liberated, the people of the world turned their attention to that old devil, the United States of America [...] We taught that monster of old the true meaning of freedom." Star Wreck
The early life with this guy, I have taken DR items and a nice enchantment on my kama. I play on Forgotten world and the mountain is great goin for this one. If you are familiar with it, he soloed the eles at lv 8 and took on 6 at a time and lived.
*btw thanks for the new sig Finn _________________
To Avado: oh, how quickly me sig is tossed aside -hey, the listen to you thing, it's cool, and I forgives ya... And oh, how right you are on this one (it does look fun and rather awesome, don't it?!
Great build, Finn, and you're welcome! Talk about the Art of War - sheesh, yer what Tzu warned about that damage/protection and oh so many attacks of yours - wow; once again, well done! (Awesome! )
Edited By TyrTemplar on 07/25/06 04:26
could you use a monk level at level 40 to max out disc? if anyone could figue this out, it would be great oh, and would self-concealment stack with imp invis? becuase i was wondering if you could free up 1 feat and take 4 more great dex for 2 ac and 2 ab maybe ESF disc in conjunction with the monk level at level 40 just some suggestions
Edited By 280693joe on 08/07/07 20:41
Quote: Posted 08/07/07 20:38 (GMT) -- 280693joe
could you use a monk level at level 40 to max out disc? if anyone could figue this out, it would be great
Not unless you want to delay Epic Dodge until your skill dump (level 39 would be the latest you could do so). Otherwise, you could take a 10th Monk level for the skill dump and drop 1 level of Rogue (lose a Rogue bonus feat, which is used for SC V) or CLC (lose level 8 spells and lots of buff goodies won't be maximized). Not worth it, IMO.
Quote: oh, and would self-concealment stack with imp invis?
No, it doesn't. _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
I know this is an old build, but was wondering if you can take weapon finesse at 3 level as your AB has to be +1
With STR of 8 this is not possible, I ran it up to level 3 and would not give me Weapon Finesse at 3rd level my AB was -1.
Quote: Posted 06/23/08 17:40 (GMT) -- sc00ter1821
I know this is an old build, but was wondering if you can take weapon finesse at 3 level as your AB has to be +1
With STR of 8 this is not possible, I ran it up to level 3 and would not give me Weapon Finesse at 3rd level my AB was -1.
Good catch. I believe it is your BAB that has to be +1 and this build uses 3 classes that all have the 3/4 BAB progression chart. So the BAB at level 3 for this build will still be 0. You should start with Rogue at level 1 and then you will have to take levels 2 and 3 as either both Monk or both Cleric in order to get the +1 BAB.
Yeah, if you read the fine print in my post above (its really really fine, but its there) you will note that I took Rogue, 2 cleric 2 monk, etc. This gives you the nec ab and it works fine. With the right gear it is tough as nails. I have left this guy for a long time though cuz on my server, we get PRC epic spells... a cleric with WARDING AND EMA!! You cant get those with 15 cleric so i made others, but it in no way detracts from the genius of this guy.
I am so glad this is still in interest! Nice work again FInn. _________________
Hey good catch. It's easy enough to fix, just take one of the classes to lvl2 or 3 to start with. _________________ " -- They give birth astride of a grave, the light gleams an instant, then it's night once more."
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Thanks all, it is nice to see that i am slowly learning the fine points of chac building.
Quote: 27. Monk9 - Epic Dodge
Ehm... How? ED is a class feat, and monks sadly don't have it.
Quote: Posted 07/25/08 14:54 (GMT) -- Valeren
Quote: 27. Monk9 - Epic Dodge
Ehm... How? ED is a class feat, and monks sadly don't have it.
I'm pretty sure that as long as you meet the requirements (25+ DEX, Defensive Roll, Improved Evasion, 1 rank in Tumble *30 as of 1.69*) you can take Epic Dodge at a regular character feat with ANY class.
Quote: Posted 07/25/08 14:54 (GMT) -- Valeren
Quote: 27. Monk9 - Epic Dodge
Ehm... How? ED is a class feat, and monks sadly don't have it.
k, maybe we have to go back alittle bit in our education. in EPIC, we get a bonus feat on lvs 21, 24, 27, 30, 33, 36, 39... or every 3rd lvl in epic after lv 21. THis is the most basic of all character building.
Epic dodge is NOT a class feat. It is a general feat. A class feat is Turning, bardic lore, Aura of courage, slippery mind. These can only be taken or given by class. [plz dont flame cuz i missed a ton, i am tired!]
The last point to keep in mind is LOOK WHO BUILT THE CHARACTER! Finn doesnt make frivilous mistakes (forgiven the obvious one pointed out but missed by me! cuz i didnt follow his instructions to the letter!).
lesson over. back to your regularly scheduled building _________________
I would recall you should be able to pick ED on any level as long as you meet the reqs. NWN refuses to run properly since I installed WinXP 64-bit so I cannot test it, sorry. _________________ " -- They give birth astride of a grave, the light gleams an instant, then it's night once more."
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That is correct. It can be both a general and a bonus feat provided prereqs are met. And this build still is legal, for Epic Dodge is chosen at what is now the minimum level for selection-- 27. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
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I asked because I read the feat on nwn.wikia.com and it clearly states "Type of feat: (epic) class" and "Rogue Epic Bonus Feats | Shadowdancer Epic Bonus Feats".
It's classified as a class feat because only characters with specific levels in certain classes can attain it due to pre-required feats(Defensive Roll which can only be gotten by going Rogue 10 or Shadowdancer 5 ). I hope I didn't mess that up. @_@
Quote: Posted 07/28/08 10:36 (GMT) -- Valeren
I asked because I read the feat on nwn.wikia.com and it clearly states "Type of feat: (epic) class" and "Rogue Epic Bonus Feats | Shadowdancer Epic Bonus Feats".
k. First, dont put much faith in a website, especially when it is written so poorly. That is the first mistake made by any builder.
Now, ED is "technically" a class feat because you need requisites that can only be gotten from Rogue or SD. Notice that this build IS a rogue build? Therefore, we have all the pre-requisites for ED possible. Now, the feat ISNT a class feat in that you can only take it as a rogue or sd. As long as you qualify for the feat, you can take it on any epic feat lv (21, 24, 27 etc). You can also take ED on a bonus feat for rogue or SD IF you qualify for it.
btw, there is very little info that I trust out there about nwn (that is not on epic builders forum). Things posted here are tested by many players and debated ALOT. It still surprises me, for example, that people still dont understand the power of DIvine Power and having 3 APR, which we discussed ALOT in the past. IOW, if its here, it is more than likely correct, especially builds as old as this one (obviously, patch fixes aside). _________________
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(And to all others who contributed!)
And oh, how right you are on this one (it does look fun and rather awesome, don't it?! 
I know this is an old build, but was wondering if you can take weapon finesse at 3 level as your AB has to be +1