Another in the long line of FTR/Rogue/WM builds. Nothing unique in the class choices, but I didn't notice any that went for high CON in my searches through the builds. This should be quite playable from level 1 to 40, PvM.

FTR 8/Rogue 7/WM 25

Dwarf, any alignment

STR: 15 (18)
DEX: 14
CON: 18 (30)
INT: 14
WIS: 8
CHA: 6

1 )FTR1: Dodge/ Weapon Focus
2 )FTR2: Expertise
3 )FTR3: Mobility
4 )FTR4: Spring Attack/ STR (16)
5 )FTR5
6 )FTR6: Weapon Specialization/ Whirlwind Attack
7 )Rogue1
8 )WM1: STR (17)
9 )WM2: Blind Fight
10)WM3
11)WM4
12)Rogue2: Improved Critical/ STR (18)
13)WM5
14)WM6
15)WM7: Knockdown
16)WM8: CON (19)
17)Rogue3
18)WM9: Toughness
19)WM10
20)FTR7: CON (20)

21)WM11: Epic Weapon Focus
22)Rogue4
23)FTR8: Epic Weapon Specialization
24)WM12: GRT CON I (21)/ CON (22)
25)WM13: Armor Skin
26)WM14
27)Rogue5: GRT CON II (23)
28)WM15: CON (24)
29)WM16: Epic Prowess
30)WM17: Epic Skill Focus:Discipline
31)WM18
32)Rogue6: CON (25)
33)WM19: GRT CON III (26)/ Epic DR I
34)WM20:
35)WM21
36)WM22: GRT CON IV (27)/ Epic DR II/ CON (28)
37)Rogue7
38)WM23
39)WM24: GRT CON V (29)
40)WM25: Epic DR III/ CON (30)

BAB: +29
AB with mundane weapon: +43/+38/+33/+28

AC in mundane plate and shield: 30

HPs (max every level): 812

9/- DR

Saves (vs spells):
Fort: 29 (36)
Refl: 24 (31)
Will: 15 (22)

Skills (214 points):
Discipline: 43 (57)
Tumble: 40
UMD: 37 (35)
Spellcraft: 18 (20)
Intimidate: 4
Listen: 43 (42)
11 points left.

A similar build to my
Dwarven Hammersong build, this one has slightly less AB (lower STR) and uses Rogue instead of Bard, but has over 200 more HPs (much higher CON). More skill points with this build means a somewhat better skillset as well.

This guy can take a beating and keep on going. With the Rogue levels and UMD, he gets a nifty little 4d6 sneak dice and can use all sorts of restricted items. Even though his STR is low, he still has a pretty decent unbuffed AB. Should be able to admirably fill the tank role in a party and even solo if he wants.

Saves are mediocre and the Will save is downright pitiful. However, UMD will provide various ways and means to cover that, as there seem to be a plethora of items and spells that cover Will. Damage output in non-crit situtaions will be a bit low due to that STR score, but that's the trade-off for the huge CON and HPs. I'm not sure the Discipline is even worth it, as it's rather low, but in a party with a decent Bard, it will be sufficient.
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Edited By Cinnabar Din on 07/26/06 23:09

At first, I thought that this build seems quite similar to my blade of the reaper build (just because of the class split), but after looking at it, there is no resemblance at all (not good or bad, just there).

While the damage side is a little lacking, the nice AC, DR and hp (812 !) more then make up for it. Also, I think that your Discipline of 57 is more then high enough. A very solid build over all, well done Cin!

Edited By Big Meph on 07/26/06 02:26

Interesting, high HP with EDR, and not too shabby AC for a non-buffer melee. If you excuse my boldness, I have no idea why the hell someone would want 30 CON... (do not try to find one of my builds with 30 CON because there is one actually). Anyway, good HP again, good Fortitude (not sky high but good) he should be good fighting and all even with only 18 STR, as he can stand a lot of damage, sneak damage allows him to kill ok I guess, and thanks to WM, his AB is good anyway.

Odd but cool concept, nice build. Pretty neat build. Nice use of the WM AB boosts to ofset the low strength. If I were playing it, I would probably stop increasing the constitution once I hit 22 and then pump strength. But that wouldn't fit with the concept you were going for. Interesting concept build.
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Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do. Yeah... he as a lot of CON, has he not?

I see you've gotten what you wanted to get, congratulations (well except the saves)! It's a nice build

WM's pretty amazing, 43 AB on a build with 30 CON. Wow!
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Quote: Posted 07/26/06 02:11:50 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din
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1 )FTR1: Dodge/ Weapon Focus
2 )FTR2: Blind Fight
3 )FTR3: Expertise/ Mobility
4 )FTR4: Spring Attack/ STR (16)
5 )FTR5
6 )FTR6: Weapon Specialization/ Whirlwind Attack
7 )Rogue1
8 )WM1: STR (17)
9 )WM2: Knockdown
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how did you get 2 feats at level 3?

-cs Oh crap. Good question, Christian. I'll have to look at the build and re-adjust a couple things. Thanks for catching that. Don't know where I got that, but now that I look at it, I remember having to drop Imp KD for some reason. That must have been it.
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This signature will self-destruct in 5 seconds... Well, you set out to whip up a nice melee character, and that indeed you did: talk about HPs! 30 Con, AB 43, nice skills -AND- damage reduction feats: Nice! -- yeah, WM'S very, very nice here, and talk about a defender; (guess you're not worried about gettin' a little hurt, or snuck up on either, huh? And a dwarf! - Well Done, Cinn

Edited By TyrTemplar on 07/26/06 23:58

Quote: Posted 07/26/06 23:07:38 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din

Oh crap. Good question, Christian. I'll have to look at the build and re-adjust a couple things. Thanks for catching that. Don't know where I got that, but now that I look at it, I remember having to drop Imp KD for some reason. That must have been it.

Perhaps you were thinking of originally using a human, and using the third 1st level feat to fit in that extra level? But you lose the startup boost in Con and that just makes things a bit different all the way down the line.

otherwise, well done. i didn't mean to just find the only wrong thing in a strong build.

-cs No problem Christian, I'm glad you caught it. Oddly, the build was never anything but a Dwarf. I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote up the levelling. I guess it was from my preliminary planning, where I was going to take Rogue at level 2, which would push FTR2 to level 3 and give me two feats there. Looking at the character in the leveller, I don't know why I slipped it in there in the write-up. Anyhow, good catch.
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