A dwarven defender archer has been done before by christian.schnable. His was a combination of ranger/DD/SD however, while mine is Ranger/DD/Monk. The main difference between the builds is his is more sneaky with HiPS and damage reduction, while mine is faster with monk speed and has a 22 spell ressistance along with improved evasion.

The link to his build is here.
Defending Archer


Playable lvl 1-40 can be useful in pvp and pvm, depends what FE's you take

Race Dwarf
Alignment LN

Starting

Str 10
Dex 16
Con 16
Wis 14
Int 14
Cha 6


Leveling

1 Ranger1- Weapon Focus Longbow, FE
2 Monk1
3 Ranger 2-Dodge
4 Ranger 3 +Dex
5 Ranger 4
6 Ranger 5 - Point Blank Shot, FE
7 Ranger6
8 Ranger7 +Dex
9 Monk2- Improved Critical
10 Monk3
11 Ranger8
12 Ranger9 - Rapid Shot +Dex
13 Ranger10- FE
14 Ranger11
15 Ranger12-Toughness
16 Ranger13 +Dex
17 DD1
18 DD2- Called Shot
19 DD3
20 DD4 +Dex
21 DD5- Epic Weapon Focus, Longbow
22 Monk4
23 Monk5
24 Monk6- Epic Prowess +Dex
25 Monk7
26 Monk8
27 Monk9- Great Dexterity I
28 Ranger14 +Dex
29 Ranger15- FE
30 Ranger16- Great Dexterity II
31 Ranger17
32 Ranger18 +Dex
33 Ranger19- Great Dexterity III
34 Ranger20- FE
35 Ranger21
36 Ranger22-Bane of Enemies +Dex
37 Monk10
38 Monk11
39 Monk12- Great Dexterity IV
40 Ranger23- FE +Dex


Ending

Str: 10
Dex: 30
Con: 16
Wis: 14
Int: 14
Cha: 6


Skills
Concentration 43
Disipline 43
Hide 43
Move Silently 43
Tumble 40

HP 546


AC 29 normal clothing


AB
43/38/33/28
Rapid Shot: 41/36/31/26/41
~(with +12 Dexterity and +7 bow)~
56/51/46/41
Rapid Shot 53/48/43/38/53

+2 vs FEs

Saves ..start/end

Fort 28
Reflex 27
Will 24

Pros

Bane of enemies
decent ac
decent hp
6 FE's
spell ressistance of 22
Monk speed

Cons
Low ab (this can be overcomed with the right gear)
Low saves

Comments and suggestions to make the build better are always welcome


Fixed AB typo - Kail Pendragon

Edited By Kail Pendragon on 08/09/06 10:21

Quote: Posted 08/07/06 22:04:06 (GMT) -- ArcticDwarf900
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AB
42/37/32/27
against FE- 42/37/32/27/22
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just curious, did you mean that the bolded line above is for when activating rapid shot against an FE? took me a second to figure that out.

also, your ab seems off. 19 bab, +10 epic, +10 dex, +1 wf, +2 ewf, +1 ep, equals 43, not 42. did i miss something?

-cs

Edited By christian.schnabel on 08/07/06 22:41

Quote: Posted 08/07/06 22:36:12 (GMT) -- christian.schnabel

Quote: Posted 08/07/06 22:04:06 (GMT) -- ArcticDwarf900
...
AB
42/37/32/27
against FE- 42/37/32/27/22
...

just curious, did you mean that the bolded line above is for when activating rapid shot against an FE? took me a second to figure that out.

also, your ab seems off. 19 bab, +10 epic, +10 dex, +1 wf, +2 ewf, +1 ep, equals 43, not 42. did i miss something?

-cs

As for the FE thing, thats a typo. I put the rapid shot ab in instead of FE . Yeah i miscalculated my ab, i put in 9 dex instead of 10. That's good. You had me confused there for a second. I never knew that FE gives extra attacks . Interesting build, although I have nothing else to contribute.
Quote: Posted 08/07/06 23:19:53 (GMT) -- Big Meph

That's good. You had me confused there for a second. I never knew that FE gives extra attacks . Interesting build, although I have nothing else to contribute.

heh, i was going for more of a interesting/fun to play build. I figured I could make a build that has uber ab, or ac, or hp, but this time i decided to make a build that is still a good build, yet fun to play as.
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Edited By ArcticDwarf900 on 08/07/06 23:37

im guessing that from the lack of replies means that there is nothing else that can be done to improve this build?
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Quote: Posted 08/08/06 02:22:45 (GMT) -- ArcticDwarf900

im guessing that from the lack of replies means that there is nothing else that can be done to improve this build?

Or nobody's here. Wait till about GMT 13:00:00 or (11pm over here), that's when the majority of the mods go online.

Edited By Big Meph on 08/08/06 02:44

I would shift 5 monk levels to DD, for 6 points of DR. Also take your pre-epic monk levels at 12 and 17 for the tumble dumps. Finally drop concentration for spellcraft, you won't be casting ranger spells in combat (you probably won't be casting ranger spells).
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Quote: Posted 08/08/06 07:20:47 (GMT) -- Mithdradates

I would shift 5 monk levels to DD, for 6 points of DR. Also take your pre-epic monk levels at 12 and 17 for the tumble dumps. Finally drop concentration for spellcraft, you won't be casting ranger spells in combat (you probably won't be casting ranger spells).

good suggestions, but if you change it so there's 5 more lvls of DD you do get 6 DR but you loose extra speed (useful for getting away, you are an archer after all), improved evasion, and 22 SR, just for 6 DR which where i play isnt enough to be any different then having 0 DR. I suppose those who want to can change the build around like this though if they prefer DR.

About the monk lvls pre epic on my first try at this build I did that, yet i believe i lost ab, maybe that was something different and im mistaken. If I am mistaken then that is something I would do to improve this build

Switching Concentration for spellcraft is a great idea, so those of you that play this build i strongly suggest doing this.
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Edited By ArcticDwarf900 on 08/08/06 15:19

Just as a note 22 SR is totally worthless, not even worth mentioning. You won't resist anything that is supposed to be barely efficient at spellcasting.


Cheers,
Kail
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Quote: AB
42/37/32/27
Rapid Shot: 42/37/32/27/22

This is all wrong, as christian said, your AB is +43, but, Rapid Shot decreases your AB by 2 and gives you an extra APR at full AB so your AB with Rapid Shot should be +41/+38/+33/+28/+41

I have no idea why the bloody hell you take Dwarven Defender 5, you miss al the Dwarven Defender DR, granted, you get Defensive Awareness II, which is nice, but it's nowhere near as good as taking Rogue with sneaks and Evasion, or Fighter with EWS, adding that they wouldn't need to take Dodge.

Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 08/08/06 22:53

Quote: Posted 08/08/06 15:19:04 (GMT) -- ArcticDwarf900



if you change it so there's 5 more lvls of DD you do get 6 DR but you loose extra speed (useful for getting away, you are an archer after all)

Whats the point of speed if your a DD...

dont DD's stand completely still? O.o
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Quote: Posted 08/08/06 22:51:12 (GMT) -- Thaxll'ssyllia

Quote: AB
42/37/32/27
Rapid Shot: 42/37/32/27/22

This is all wrong, as christian said, your AB is +43, but, Rapid Shot decreases your AB by 2 and gives you an extra APR at full AB so your AB with Rapid Shot should be +41/+38/+33/+28/+41

I have no idea why the bloody hell you take Dwarven Defender 5, you miss al the Dwarven Defender DR, granted, you get Defensive Awareness II, which is nice, but it's nowhere near as good as taking Rogue with sneaks and Evasion, or Fighter with EWS, adding that they wouldn't need to take Dodge.

about the ab, yes, thats why its called a typo, i was tired, and i put the extra rapid shot attack without taking away the ab and called it FE. Its been fixed.

About the DD 5, i didnt take rouge because i already get improved evasion as a monk and i would rather have the benefits of a lvl 5 DD then about 3d6 extra damage. Also i didnt take fight because once again i would rather have a little more defense then a little more offense. Its a choice of preferance, whether you want to be a bit more stronger on the defensive side, or the offensive side.



Quote: Posted 08/09/06 02:12:52 (GMT) -- DarkInfernoo

Quote: Posted 08/08/06 15:19:04 (GMT) -- ArcticDwarf900



if you change it so there's 5 more lvls of DD you do get 6 DR but you loose extra speed (useful for getting away, you are an archer after all)

Whats the point of speed if your a DD...

dont DD's stand completely still? O.o

DD archers cant activate DD stance so why would a DD archer always stand still?

Edited By ArcticDwarf900 on 08/09/06 03:16

Quote:  Posted 08/08/06 22:51:12 (GMT) -- Thaxll'ssyllia


(quote) AB
42/37/32/27
Rapid Shot: 42/37/32/27/22


This is all wrong, as christian said, your AB is +43, but, Rapid Shot decreases your AB by 2 and gives you an extra APR at full AB so your AB with Rapid Shot should be +41/+38/+33/+28/+41

I have no idea why the bloody hell you take Dwarven Defender 5, you miss al the Dwarven Defender DR, granted, you get Defensive Awareness II, which is nice, but it's nowhere near as good as taking Rogue with sneaks and Evasion, or Fighter with EWS, adding that they wouldn't need to take Dodge.(quote)

about the ab, yes, thats why its called a typo, i was tired, and i put the extra rapid shot attack without taking away the ab and called it FE. Its been fixed.

About the DD 5, i didnt take rouge because i already get improved evasion as a monk and i would rather have the benefits of a lvl 5 DD then about 3d6 extra damage. Also i didnt take fight because once again i would rather have a little more defense then a little more offense. Its a choice of preferance, whether you want to be a bit more stronger on the defensive side, or the offensive side.

Now you might think I'm just bugging you, but I'm not quite so. I didn't meant the FE typo, it was corrected by the time I read the Original Post, what I mean is that Rapid Shot gives the extra APR at full AB, you might have not noticed, but that's not fixed, it's counted with -20 as if it were a regular APR, I just thought when I first read it, that you might not know how Rapid Shot works or something... sorry then.

How stupid of me, you have Improved Evasion already. Anyway, I can understand that Fighter is more offensive and less defensive than Dwarven Defender, because of Defensive Awareness, but please explain because I definitely do not understand: if you cannot use Defensive Stance, then what are the benefits of Dwarven Defender 5 that would best 3d6 sneak attack?
Quote: Posted 08/09/06 04:13:45 (GMT) -- Thaxll'ssyllia

Quote:  Posted 08/08/06 22:51:12 (GMT) -- Thaxll'ssyllia


(quote) AB
42/37/32/27
Rapid Shot: 42/37/32/27/22


This is all wrong, as christian said, your AB is +43, but, Rapid Shot decreases your AB by 2 and gives you an extra APR at full AB so your AB with Rapid Shot should be +41/+38/+33/+28/+41

I have no idea why the bloody hell you take Dwarven Defender 5, you miss al the Dwarven Defender DR, granted, you get Defensive Awareness II, which is nice, but it's nowhere near as good as taking Rogue with sneaks and Evasion, or Fighter with EWS, adding that they wouldn't need to take Dodge.(quote)

about the ab, yes, thats why its called a typo, i was tired, and i put the extra rapid shot attack without taking away the ab and called it FE. Its been fixed.

About the DD 5, i didnt take rouge because i already get improved evasion as a monk and i would rather have the benefits of a lvl 5 DD then about 3d6 extra damage. Also i didnt take fight because once again i would rather have a little more defense then a little more offense. Its a choice of preferance, whether you want to be a bit more stronger on the defensive side, or the offensive side.

Now you might think I'm just bugging you, but I'm not quite so. I didn't meant the FE typo, it was corrected by the time I read the Original Post, what I mean is that Rapid Shot gives the extra APR at full AB, you might have not noticed, but that's not fixed, it's counted with -20 as if it were a regular APR, I just thought when I first read it, that you might not know how Rapid Shot works or something... sorry then.

How stupid of me, you have Improved Evasion already. Anyway, I can understand that Fighter is more offensive and less defensive than Dwarven Defender, because of Defensive Awareness, but please explain because I definitely do not understand: if you cannot use Defensive Stance, then what are the benefits of Dwarven Defender 5 that would best 3d6 sneak attack?

ok, on the DD5 vrs 3d6 sneak...once again this is my preferance of having a better defense, but i get more hp with 5 dd lvls, and as you said in your post, defensive awareness, also defensive awareness and the extra hp always work, where as sneak only works when your flanking an enemy... If someone likes to have a better offense then they could change it to rogue 5 to get that extra damage without harming the build too much. Well, there's already an xp-penalty from lvl 4 and out, which can be quite a lot. Adding Rogue to the mix would increase that penalty too, I'd stay with the DD here.
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