I'm not a fan of Elves - yeah I know, that's a shock. However, I've often said they'd be best suited to the Rogue class as their favored class. With that in mind, I've built a pretty basic FTR/Rogue template using Elf as the race and it turns out it's probably one of the few Elf builds I'd not mind playing.
Not a lot to say about it other than it's a straight-forward FTR/Rogue. Decent skills, good dual-wield AB, HS for the bonus GRT DEX feat, good sneak attack (10d6), and no XP penalty. HPs aren't too bad at all considering it's an Elf and has a lot of Rogue levels. Saves aren't great, but the UMD gives options to cover the weak points.
*These can be switched to DEX if desired for +1 AC and +1 AB, or CON for 40 HPs and +1 Fort saves. I like the extra STR (+4 mainhand damage and +2 offhand damage with 18 STR) and the extra carrying capacity though.
**There are a couple feats one could opt for instead that may be of some use: Dodge and Expertise come to mind. BUt I thought the extra HPs wouldn't hurt.
BAB: +27 AB with mundane weapon: +42 (+40 dual-wielding)
Not really mucg to add, as you say, it's quite basic. I get some blurry visions with elves wielding axes though, just doesn't sit right.
I would easily give up 1 AB and AC(HS) for HiPS anyday though. To me that is a no-brainer in a build with 19 rogue. I know it had become even more basic, but still. _________________ I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide. I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
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Yeah, you could easily do so. Just switch out Iron Will and Alertness and take SD instead of HS. You could even preserve AB and AC by leaving STR at 16 and raising DEX at levels 28 and 30 instead.
But, there are a bunch of FTR/Rogue/SD builds already and I really don't like using the HiPS spam (and besides, SD is way too obvious a choice, isn't it?) _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
Quote: Posted 08/12/06 02:15:24 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din
But, there are a bunch of FTR/Rogue/SD builds already and I really don't like using the HiPS spam (and besides, SD is way too obvious a choice, isn't it?)
Yeah, that's what i tried to imply at the end of my post. It's not a bad build though, by all means. In low magic settings with little scroll access it might even be viable to take HS all the way. Hm, need to go take a look at what that would look like. _________________ Dragonlance ROH is back, better than before! and I spend a little time here WoG
Yeah, more HS could easily replace some Fighter levels, you even took Epic Toughness which I see as a filling feat to take when you have too much feats.
Quote: I get some blurry visions with elves wielding axes though, just doesn't sit right.
It's only a handaxe, any civilization needs to chop wood, even those skinny elves, at least it's not a Waraxe (or dare to try Dwarven Waraxe good thing that one's impossible).
The build is quite ok, not much else to add.
Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 08/12/06 23:43
Yeah, you could definitely slip in the extra 4 HS levels (and maybe pick up an ESF feat as the bonus feat). The only reason I didn't go that route is the Epic Toughness feat gives the character over 400 HPs. This is one of the few times I've used that feat in a build and not actually lamented the fact. _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
Edited By Cinnabar Din on 08/12/06 23:53
This looks pretty solid for a pointy-ear. I'm glad to see no XP penalty since that is usually an issue with these folk. Taking 5 HS would most likely throw the xp monkeywrench into the build, albeit much later in its career. I'd just as soon keep Fighter in the build unless you were in a seriously deprived magic environment. It progresses fast, looks extrememly playable pre-epic, and maintains good damage outside of sneaks. I even see an SC IV alternative near the end of the build, but I would keep it as is.
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Thanks Grizz. Aye, the tank's getting empty, but not yet. Not yet. I've still a few more builds in the works, so stay tuned.
Although, the fact I'm posting Elves is pointed testament to the waning hour of this game we so love. _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
That's what NWN 2 will be for...
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I like the touch of being able to actually deal damage due to the strength bonus.
But yeah, it's a fighter/rogue build. How much can you really say? _________________ CATS!
eh hem - I *like* dem fighting elves (er, they can't all be dwarves, can they? though I like dem, too ) Ah, indeed, this looks to me to be a solid elf ftr/rogue, and no XP penalties! - Nice!!!
Edited By TyrTemplar on 08/20/06 07:18
Well done CD, it's nice to see an elf build with the class which should be the race's favored one, despite what the rules say. Kudos.
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Well done CD, it's nice to see an elf build with the class which should be the race's favored one, despite what the rules say.
Amen to that, brother!
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Thanks all for the input. I'm playing this one in the Darkness over Daggerford module and she's doing awesome. _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
good thing that one's impossible).
) Ah, indeed, this looks to me to be a solid elf ftr/rogue, and no XP penalties! - Nice!!! 