Unseen sniper (Rogue 19 / Wizard 11 / Arcane archer 10)

I like to play this character. For fans of hide, hit and run.

Race: Elf
Alignment: Chaotic good
Starting Stats:

Str 10
Dex 20
Con 12
Wis 8
Int 14
Cha 8

Leveling:

1. Rogue 1, Dodge
2. Rogue 2
3. Rogue 3, Weapon focus (Longbow)
4. Rogue 4, Dex (21)
5. Rogue 5
6. Rogue 6, Point blank shot
7. Rogue 7
8. Wizard 1, Dex (22)
9. Wizard 2, Rapid shot
10. Wizard 3
11. Rogue 8
12. Rogue 9, Dex (23), Extend spell
13. Rogue 10, Improved evasion
14. Archane archer 1
15. Archane archer 2, Improved critical (Longbow)
16. Archane archer 3, Dex (24)
17. Archane archer 4
18. Archane archer 5, Weapon finesse *(see note)
19. Archane archer 6
20. Archane archer 7, Dex (25)
21. Archane archer 8, Epic weapon focus (Longbow)
22. Archane archer 9
23. Archane archer 10
24. Wizard 4, Dex (26), Great Dex I (27)
25. Rogue 11
26. Rogue 12
27. Rogue 13, Defensive roll, epic dodge
28. Wizard 5, Dex (28), Great Int I (15)
29. Wizard 6
30. Wizard 7, Great Dex II (29)
31. Wizard 8
32. Wizard 9, Dex (30)
33. Wizard 10, Great Int II (16), Self concealment I
34. Wizard 11
35. Rogue 14
36. Rogue 15, Dex (31), Self concealment II
37. Rogue 16, Self concealment III
38. Rogue 17
39. Rogue 18, Self concealment IV
40. Rogue 19, Dex (32), Self concealment V

* Note: I took weapon finesse here a little bit for my preference and fun. I like to pick up a blade and swing it sometimes Replace with whatever you prefer (Iron will maybe...)

End Stats (unbuffed and non-magic):

Str 10
Dex 32
Con 12
Wis 8
Int 16
Cha 8

30 Concentration
20 Spellcraft
43 Hide
43 Move Silently
43 Tumble
43 Spot
30 Open lock
30 Disable trap
30 Search
20 Heal
10 Persuade

Equipment: Longbow, robe, rapier
Base Attack: 25
Sneak attack 10d6
AB and DMG with longbow:
+44/+39/+34 1-8 +5 (19-20 / x3)
AB and DMG with rapier:
+36/+31/+26 1-6 (18-20 / x2)
Saves: 20 Fortification, 34 Reflex, 17 Will
AC: 29
HP: 269 (maximized), average about 220
Playable level 1-40 (PvP, PvM)

Magical equipment wishlist:
Mighty enchanted longbow
White robe of the archmagi
Cloack of fortificaton
Dragon slippers
Bracers of Dexterity
+++

Some recommended spells: Greater stoneskin, Ethereal visage, Mistril's acid sheath, Elemental shield, Slow, Haste, Fireball, Ghostly visage, Web, Death armor, Shield, Mage armor

Advantages: Hard to get close to, maximized stealth, epic dodge, good AB

Disadvantages: Low HP, in trouble if surrounded

Can use armor, since spellcasting for this guy is mostly for buffing before combat. On the other hand you would need a pretty good piece of armor to get better total AC due to the +11 unbuffed dex modifier

Any suggestions for improvement...


Edited title to include v.2 - Kail Pendragon

Edited By Kail Pendragon on 08/25/06 11:39

Quote: Posted 08/23/06 07:49:15 (GMT) -- blixen71

30 Concentration
20 Spellcraft
43 Hide
43 Move Silently
43 Tumble
43 Spot
30 Open lock
30 Disable trap
30 Search
20 Heal
10 Persuade

First, I think you may have calculated your total skill points wrong. I come up 11 short, but thats just off of my calculator, so I could be wrong.

Second, If not casting in combat, which you mention in the description, drop concentration. You can put annother 17 points into spellcraft (modifies with Int bonus to a 40) and you'll have an extra +4 to saves vs spells. Also, your last 3 ranks in tumble don't do anything for you, they can be spent elsewhere. The tumble AC bonus works on base ranks, not the modified score.

Edit: Also, the feat Dodge is not required for Epic Dodge, even though many manuals say it is. You can drop in exchange for something more useful, probably called shot.
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Edited By koolthursday on 08/23/06 08:12

Thanks for tip

Took Wizard 11 at level 39 and got skills:

20 Concentration
42 Spellcraft
43 Hide
43 Move silently
43 Spot
40 Tumble
20 Open lock
25 Disable trap
25 Search
20 Heal
10 Persuade Is there any I smart things to do here to get 4 attacks pr round without loosing to much stealth? hmm.. AA has hide and move silently as class skills, so you won't be losing stealth by taking more AA early (your only full AB class). Just switch the pre-epic level split to Rogue 8/ Wiz 2/ AA 10 and you will gain +2 final AB (you only needed another +1 pre-epic AB to get your 4th attack).
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(I enjoy writing parenthetically (a lot)). Thx again. Improved a lot indeed. Could also take improved critical at level 12 now

Leveling:

1. Rogue 1, Point blank shot
2. Rogue 2
3. Rogue 3, Weapon focus (Longbow)
4. Rogue 4, Dex (21)
5. Rogue 5
6. Rogue 6, Rapid shot
7. Rogue 7
8. Wizard 1, Dex (22)
9. Wizard 2, Extend spell
10. Rogue 8
11. Archane archer 1
12. Archane archer 2, Dex (23), Improved critical (Longbow)
13. Archane archer 3
14. Archane archer 4
15. Archane archer 5, Iron will
16. Archane archer 6, Dex (24)
17. Archane archer 7
18. Archane archer 8, Weapon finesse
19. Archane archer 9
20. Archane archer 10, Dex (25)
21. Wizard 3, Epic weapon focus (Longbow)
22. Wizard 4
23. Rogue 9
24. Rogue 10, Dex (26), Great Dex I (27), Improved evasion
25. Rogue 11
26. Rogue 12
27. Rogue 13, Defensive roll, epic dodge
28. Wizard 5, Dex (28), Great Int I (15)
29. Wizard 6
30. Wizard 7, Great Dex II (29)
31. Wizard 8
32. Wizard 9, Dex (30)
33. Wizard 10, Great Int II (16), Self concealment I
34. Rogue 14
35. Rogue 15
36. Rogue 16, Dex (31), Self concealment II, Self concealment III
37. Rogue 17
38. Rogue 18
39. Wizard 11, Self concealment IV
40. Rogue 19, Dex (32), Self concealment V

New stats (still unbuffed no-magic):
Saves: Will 19
AB longbow: +46/+41/+36/+31
AB rapier: +38/+33/+28/+23 It's simple, and I've seen others like it, but this is actually the best version of this kind of build that I've ever seen. Too bad there's no HiPS.
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CATS! Replace Iron Will with Called Shot. Spamming Called Shot: Leg against a dex meleer will be a free win for you every time, and it will even work against strength builds without ESF with an AB of the sort archers get. It works PvM, too, unless you're faced with giant groups of enemies. Definitely better than +2 will saves, IMO.

*edit* Also, start taking AA at level 10 instead of level 11, and take the last pre-epic rogue level at 12 or 17 for a tumble dump.

Edited By Nimueh_Leafbow on 08/23/06 23:02

Pretty sure Called Shot : leg "only" lowers DEX by 12.
That might still hold their AC at good levels.
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I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide.
I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.

I run the Pre-Epic Builders guild. Join and share your experience. Called Shot feat inclused both Leg and Arm... Called Shot leg decreases DEX by 2 and movement speed by 10% per hit if I'm correct, DEX can drop up to 1 (if possible), which is a lot of negative DEX, but, I don't remeber how long does the effects lasts, I'm not sure if there's a cap for negative DEX scores, but the duration makes it so that, for example, you won't get a dexer to negative DEX modifier values.

Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 08/24/06 02:46

Quote: Posted 08/24/06 02:03:19 (GMT) -- Grimnir77

Pretty sure Called Shot : leg "only" lowers DEX by 12.
That might still hold their AC at good levels.

I actually forgot about the dex penalty, I just meant that dexers have low discipline, so you should have no trouble slowing them to a crawl. With a 44 AB it isn't going to be able to spam called shot against strength builds, they'll make the discipline check. Instead of iron will and weapon finesse I would take blind-fight and called shot. I'm also not sure the self conceal feats are necessary when you can cast an extended improved invisibility that does the same thing and lasts 22 turns. Other than that it isn't a bad build but I prefer either the wizard heavy or wizard light variants to a middle of the road wizard.

There are a good number of similar builds, so you might want to note what sets your build apart from them:

Results from pulse cap's build searcher:
Rogue 17/Wizard 1/AArcher 22 by Aquion Charlemagne
Apparition Archer /Rogue 16/Wizard 15/AArcher 9 by CrispyCritter
Arcane Sniper /Rogue 9/Wizard 2/Arcane Archer 29 by fernandooa
Archer of Lothlorien /Rogue 13/Wizard 8/AArcher 19 by Iron Ranger
Furtive Spellbow /AArcher 10/Rogue 9/Wizard 21 by Mithdradates
Awesome Archer /Rogue 21/AArcher 18/Wizard 1 by Nimueh_Leafbow
The Arcane Sniper /Rogue 16/Wizard 5/AArcher 19 by Saosin777
Hidden Arrow /Rogue 16/Wizard 2/AArcher 22 by Stravinsky00
Artillery Archer /Rogue 19/Wizard 2/AArcher 19 by Thaxll’ssyllia
TrueStrike Rogue /Rogue 14/Wizard 3/AArcher 23 by xitooner
Rogue19/Wizard 2/AA19 by Zhoreb
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Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do. Thank you all for feedback. After all I have a second version of Unseen Sniper. It is now a pure level 40 stealth ranged attacker (Epic dodge at level 39, If I go R14/AA17 epic dodge level 27 but only 35 dex). I have dropped rogue and wizard levels and raised AA levels. The fifth level spell slot to be used for extended improved invisibility (18 turns once pr. day). So no permanent invisibility, but higher dex and improved AB, DMG and AC. Also have called shot and blind fight now

Unseen Sniper v2 (Rogue 13 / Wizard 9 / Arcane archer 18)

1. Rogue 1, Point blank shot
2. Rogue 2
3. Rogue 3, Weapon focus (Longbow)
4. Rogue 4, Dex (21)
5. Rogue 5
6. Rogue 6, Rapid shot
7. Rogue 7
8. Wizard 1, Dex (22)
9. Wizard 2, Called shot
10. Arcane archer 1
11. Arcane archer 2
12. Arcane archer 3, Dex (23), Improved critical (Longbow)
13. Arcane archer 4
14. Archane archer 5
15. Archane archer 6, Blind fight
16. Archane archer 7, Dex (24)
17. Rogue 8
18. Archane archer 8, Extend spell
19. Archane archer 9
20. Archane archer 10, Dex (25)
21. Rogue 9, Epic weapon focus (Longbow)
22. Rogue 10, Improved evasion
23. Rogue 11
24. Rogue 12, Dex (26), Great Dex I (27)
25. Wizard 3
26. Wizard 4
27. Wizard 5, Great Dex II (28), Great Int I (15)
28. Archane archer 11, Dex (29)
29. Archane archer 12
30. Wizard 6, Great Dex III (30)
31. Wizard 7
32. Wizard 8, Dex (31)
33. Archane archer 13, Epic prowess
34. Archane archer 14, Great Dex IV (32)
35. Archane archer 15
36. Archane archer 16, Dex (33), Great Dex V (34)
37. Rogue 13, Defensive roll
38. Archane archer 17
39. Wizard 9, Epic dodge
40. Archane archer 18, Dex (35), Great Dex VI (36)

End Stats (unbuffed and non-magic):

Str 10
Dex 36
Con 12
Wis 8
Int 15
Cha 8

13 Concentration
42 Spellcraft
43 Hide
43 Move Silently
40 Tumble
43 Spot
20 Open lock
20 Disable trap
20 Search
20 Heal

Equipment: Longbow, robe
Base Attack: 27
Sneak attack 7d6
AB and DMG with longbow:
+52/+47/+42/+37 1-8 +9 (19-20 / x3)
Saves: 20 Fortification, 36 Reflex, 17 Will
AC: 31
HP: 298 (maximized), average about 240

Edited By blixen71 on 08/25/06 11:33