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Fame (Paladin 20 /Fighter 4 /Rogue 16) Race: Elven Girl ( if you dont make the char female the curse of ever rolling 1s shall fall upon you +she must be pretty )
Max Disc, Conc ,tumble 40 , spot , listen, balance umd as you need , spellcraft 18 to get +4saves vs spells, and get some junk stealth to cs nubs/make use of 6sec detect delay for none elves
AC (naked/): 33 , with maxed dex and +6stuff,towershield and haste 76ac +Epic Dodge, playing this build in environments with less ac available is stupid.(+5 = 71ac =suxs!)
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AB: with plane rapier = 47
Buffed AB: 30 Bab+4wf,ewf,ep +19Dex (+12dex on items)+5GMW + 3bless/aid/prayer + 5divfavour = 66 high ab for imp kd +4 to attacks of opps
Dmg: 1-6+1 ( reroll BS buff to get 4)(+5with max str)+1prayer + 5div favour + 1d6div vs evil + 8d6sneaks.
12-20crit range ***
Saves
Fort 21 Ref 29 Will 18
+4vs spells
now see the saves with +12dex/con/wis/cha
Fort 32 <---this roxs,b/c with +20fort of stuff and thus reaching the cap (pal cha bonus exceeds it) you can't be deved unless you roll a 1 (max dev dc possible is 53)and on every server that allows dev you can get +20fort , for every other dextank you need epic fort and 10con.
Reflex 40 with imp evasion no spells will get you
Will 29
Battletactics:Buff to your 66ab,spam imp kd to get sneaks off,try to flank people, those 8d6sneaks are huge dmg
nice is you can even cs on servers with trueseeing as you dispell on hit ,unless holysword is altered.
What can be changed: switch opportunist with crippling strike or epic skillfocus disc.depends on the enivronment , crippling can be nice to reduce disc and make kd even easier.
Skills ..can switch alot here, if you have no need for listen due to TTS get more hide/ms , maybe max set trap (and only use it when maxed) or woteva helps in your enviornment. heal is pretty decent too.
Advantages: High Ac +epic dodge ,uncanny dodge,pretty high ab +imp kd (divfavour is like 22wm lvls..go figure,counts towards cap though), dispell on hit ,div and magic dmg, nice sneak dmg,fear immune ,can heal 1(!) hp with lay on hands (100with +12cha though),with maxed cha and abitlies has uber saves and wont fail anything unless 1's occur.Will always have this high ab in any environemnt(unless youcant get any+dex,then your stuck with 60 ,but its your prim abilty , so 1st to max/boost)
Disadvantages: Not playable in low ac worlds as it is supposed to be a dex tank which means it should be pretty hard to hit, however with +5stuff or less its dead easy to hit and then even epic dodge wont help.youre better of with str builds in such worlds.Can be dispelled easily...though only takes half a rnd to rebuff with divfavour for 63ab.
For BoW players: No imp crit - sf disc instead , Wf: Mace , ESF Disc is a must,esf spot is nice too ..will have to sacrify 2gr dex then , leaves you with a free feat..so imp crit can be taken again then...personally if I would rebuild ..I d take crippling strike.
As for credit to other builds: I found 4 with same classes , not same lvl distribution though.However they have either a messed BaB by going rogue preepic ,weird skillpts(some dude really managed it to get like 10 skills with 20pts in each..sry but lol) and they all use charisma for div shield /might ... which means their dex suxs (about 10pts less) - so less ab ..even though they get extra ac of divshield this build here makes up for it by way higher ab and dex so the ac is kind of equal - unless bardsong/uef come into play..then they are stuck as they reach the dodge ac cap way earlier! This Build is a pure dex tank,awesome with support. Thats why I see no point in posting a link:)
Cheers
Edited title. Grim
Edited By Grimnir77 on 08/28/06 16:56
You can possibly level up with an AC and AB on par, but your hpæs are loooow and your damage is sooo lacking for quite a while it's an overstatement to claim it to be playable 1-40.
No uncanny dodge until Epic, Epic dodge at lvl 39. No damage until the sneak-attacks start catching up. It might be playable from around lvl 15 given that you can rest as much as you want. 8d6 sneak-attack averages about 28 damage.
It should be a nice PvP build on lvl 40 and a bit before that, but like everything some builds will be a pain.
I get a feeling that you mostly PvP at lvl 40 taken into consideration how your builds and comments go. This true? Just wondering, nothing wrong with that. _________________ I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide. I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
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Aye thats totally true grimnir ... lvl 40 pvp
As for leveling it up , its quite ok surprisingly ... because on almost every server you find a lowbie area with undeads , and bless weapon with its 2d6divine dmg vs undeads helps alot.So go for those places ^^
As for fighting normal npcs , youre good in a team as you are the imp kd ler making those with less ab but more dmg(rogues i.e.) hit more. However the dmg is quite low, the crits ,gmw and divine favour help alot here ,esp at lvl 15 as you mention. A cleric or mage buffing you with DF/FW helps too. (I dun like playing alone so...)
As for epic dodge on lvl 39..you can get it on lvl 33 already if you delay the fighter lvls and go rogue all the way after reaching lvl20. helps with damage as well.just take the 6th gr dex on lvl 39 then.
Funny, no mention of the xp penalty... a nsty one at that. THere is a tweak you can do that would make this build alittle more effective. YOu take paladin to 20, yet you have 4apr. If you were to take 10 rogue lvls pre you would help yourself alot wrt damage output (as stated by grim). If you do it right, you could end with 15bab pre. THis would allow you to exploit div fav (for which you have both 1st and 2nd slots) to get 4 apr, 2 with FULL power. Doing the split this way would increase the playability of the char tremendously.
All in all, you should take the pvm comment out of the build. You are a dexer with NO str and NO con which makes early lvls difficult.. not impossible, but difficult. And, that you stated that you indeed play this pvp lv 40! It is very easy to tell that that is your style of play, and you should state that, not that its pvm cuz it could be made much easier if it were pvm.
Otherwise, I like the idea of roguish pals _________________
If you were to take 10 rogue lvls pre you would help yourself alot wrt damage output (as stated by grim). If you do it right, you could end with 15bab pre. THis would allow you to exploit div fav (for which you have both 1st and 2nd slots) to get 4 apr, 2 with FULL power. Doing the split this way would increase the playability of the char tremendously.
Two things. To get 15 BAB pre-epic with this level split, well he can't. The least possible, by taking at least 13 Rogue-levels pre-epic, is 16. And you also mix up Divine Favor and Divine Power. Pally's don't get Divine Power. _________________ I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide. I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
I run the Pre-Epic Builders guild. Join and share your experience.
oops.. my bad. TOo many clerics!
Its good for what it is, a high magic level 40 PvP build. It isn't very playable until you start getting into epic levels and the low HP make it scary to play in anything other than high magic. A few suggestions:
1. Drop opportunist for a great dex, and lower your starting dex to 19. That would give you 3 attribute points to put into con or strength for some more HP, or remove that damage penalty at low levels.
2. Take one of the fighter feats instead of opportunist and drop a fighter level pre-epic for a +1 to fortitude and an extra feat to spend on something, maybe dodge for another point of AC or expertise to get that AC up even higher (you don't really get the benefit of epic dodge unless your opponent can only hit you on a 20).
Nothing to add other than that, good build. _________________ Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do.
Dropping the start dex to 19 and gaining 3 pts leaves you with uneven stats, a waste in my opinon.
Fighter wouldnt give you another 1point of fort as pally has fort as its prim save.
If you really want feats like dodge ,exp and imp exp/or thoughness so you dont have to be scared anymore ...replace opportunist with epic prowress and switch the lvls to 16pal8fighter16r.You still get same ab/ac +3feats more. just a few spells less.
Dropping the start dex to 19 and gaining 3 pts leaves you with uneven stats, a waste in my opinon.
You end up with the same dex and get to increase one attribute by 3. That is +1 to fortitude and 40 hitpoints or +1 to damage, or (if you increase charisma) +1 to all saves when buffed.
Quote: Fighter wouldnt give you another 1point of fort as pally has fort as its prim save.
1 level of fighter pre-epic gives you +2 to your fortitude saving throw, you lose 1 to your fortitude save from only having 19 paladin levels so you get +1 overall. Pre-epic your high saving throw increases as 2+floor(class level/2) and your low saving throw increases as floor(class level/3) for each class you have. You can make use of that +2 to increase your saving throws.
Quote: If you really want feats like dodge ,exp and imp exp/or thoughness so you dont have to be scared anymore ...replace opportunist with epic prowress and switch the lvls to 16pal8fighter16r.You still get same ab/ac +3feats more. just a few spells less.
The only advantage this build is getting from the paladin levels are the spells. So you wouldn't want to lose too many spells from making a change like this, though I suppose it would improve playability. _________________ Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do.
IMO, going 16 8 16 is not really viable...as far as I was aware, the point of having 4 fighter levels in the epic was to get the 3 necessary combat feats (ep, ewf, as) whilst leaving all normal epic feats available for great dex I-VI & ESF: disc* ...the Rogue feats are all used in getting Epic Dodge!
* I see this as imperative on ALL PvP builds
I can only presume that Nike took Opportunist as a Rogue feats was to make the build more generally viable PvM as well as PvP
So, taking 8 fighter levels would LOSE you one epic feat in comparison to the ESF: Disc version!
Quote: Posted 08/29/06 04:43:19 (GMT) -- krsboss
IMO, going 16 8 16 is not really viable...as far as I was aware, the point of having 4 fighter levels in the epic was to get the 3 necessary combat feats (ep, ewf, as) whilst leaving all normal epic feats available for great dex I-VI & ESF: disc* ...the Rogue feats are all used in getting Epic Dodge!
* I see this as imperative on ALL PvP builds
I can only presume that Nike took Opportunist as a Rogue feats was to make the build more generally viable PvM as well as PvP
Opportunist is a waste. It only kicks in during an AoO, which won't be very often at all, so it's not worth the feat. I'd drop it and replace it with ESF:Discipline (it can be taken as the Rogue bonus feat). Then you could replace the ESF feat with any of EWF, EP, or AS on the general feat level. No net feat loss.
Quote: So, taking 8 fighter levels would LOSE you one epic feat in comparison to the ESF: Disc version!
Not necessarily. See above.
*edit* Ah, never mind. I see I miscounted feats. You would be 1 short in that scenario. _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
Edited By Cinnabar Din on 08/29/06 16:08
Yup , 16-8-16 only works when u can easily obtain a high disc of items as you need the 16th rogue for epic dodge and the 7 regular epicfeats for 6gr dex + ep/ewf or as
I mentioned in my post (under what can be changed) that oppotuninst can be replaced with crippling strike or esf disc depending on the environemtn you play in. If you fight lots of econo clerics,pallies basically that everything that has low caster lvls ..they dont have ICC so the +4 IS handy.
When you can get +50disc of items (which i ve seen on way to many servers ) esf disc isnt needed.
If immy to abilty drain is available crippling is useless.
maybe i should mark that so its more obvious that this can be switched w/o ruining the ac/ab.
Cause you timed out, you've got only... what was that? .. 20 or 30 minutes to edit. I forgot exactly how much, cause I can edit my posts whenever I want. Being a moderator has its advantages
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