My first build please have mercy

Dev Crit Archer - Arcane Archer(29), Monk(10), Wizard (1)
Elf, Any Lawful
PvM/PvP, 1-40

STR: 16 (25)
DEX: 16 (24)
CON: 10
WIS: 14
INT: 12
CHA: 8

Hitpoints: 356
Skillpoints: 207
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 22/23/30
Saving Throw bonuses: Mind Effects: +4
BAB: 26
AB (max, naked): 33 (melee), 49 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 29/29
Spell Casting: Wizard(1)
Alignment Changes: 0

SKILLS
Discipline 43(50)
Hide 43(50)
Listen 35(39)
Move Silently 43(50)
Tumble 43(50)


LEVELING GUIDE
01: W(1): Point Blank Shot, {Summon Familiar, Scribe Scroll}
02: M(1): {AC Bonus, Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist, Flurry of Blows}
03: M(2): Rapid Shot, {Deflect Arrows}
04: M(3): STR+1, {Monk Endurance, Still Mind}, (STR=17)
05: M(4)
06: M(5): Weapon Focus: Longbow, {Purity of Body}
07: M(6): {Knockdown, Improved Knockdown}
08: M(7): STR+1, {Wholeness of Body}, (STR=18)
09: M(8): Toughness
10: M(9): {Improved Evasion}
11: AA(1): {Enchant Arrow I}
12: AA(2): STR+1, Improved Critical: Longbow, {Imbue Arrow}, (STR=19)
13: AA(3): {Enchant Arrow II}
14: AA(4): {Seeker Arrow I}
15: AA(5): Power Attack, {Enchant Arrow III}
16: AA(6): STR+1, {Seeker Arrow II}, (STR=20)
17: AA(7): {Enchant Arrow IV}
18: AA(8): Great Cleave, {Hail of Arrows}
19: AA(9): {Enchant Arrow V}
20: AA(10): STR+1, {Death Arrow}, (STR=21)
21: AA(11): Great Strength I, {Enchant Arrow VI}, (STR=22)
22: AA(12)
23: AA(13): {Enchant Arrow VII}
24: AA(14): STR+1, Great Strength II, Overwhelming Critical: Longbow, (STR=24)
25: AA(15): {Enchant Arrow VIII}
26: AA(16)
27: AA(17): Great Dexterity I, {Enchant Arrow IX}, (DEX=17)
28: AA(18): STR+1, Devastating Critical: Longbow, (STR=25)
29: AA(19): {Enchant Arrow X}
30: AA(20): Great Dexterity II, (DEX=18)
31: AA(21): {Enchant Arrow XI}
32: AA(22): DEX+1, Epic Toughness I, (DEX=19)
33: AA(23): Great Dexterity III, {Enchant Arrow XII}, (DEX=20)
34: AA(24)
35: AA(25): {Enchant Arrow XIII}
36: AA(26): DEX+1, Great Dexterity IV, Epic Toughness II, (DEX=22)
37: AA(27): {Enchant Arrow XIV}
38: AA(28)
39: AA(29): Great Dexterity V, {Enchant Arrow XV}, (DEX=23)
40: M(10): DEX+1, {KI Strike +1}, (DEX=24)

feedback and improvements are greatly appreciated! thanks


Edited title - Kail Pendragon

Edited By Kail Pendragon on 10/10/07 13:40

suggestions:

use class abreviations on your output, turn off the class/race feats (0 setting). drop the 15 wis to 14 and put the 2 points on con, its wasted as is
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ok I really need to stop watching cartoons... ok i have changed to abreviations and i have changed wis from 15 to 14 and con from 8 to 10 thanks Some monk archers prefer to use their wisdom bonus combined with Zen Archery. The reason they do this is because a Monk will not loose the Wisdom ac bonus when caught flat footed (I believe).

Of course, that would use a feat, and it would lower your reflex save. (and dex skills).

It would also improve Wisdom based skills (spot) and your will save. Your ac would be a bit more constant (due to the flat footed issue).

I'd sacrifice Epic Toughness for some other feats. Epic Prowess and Blind Fighting for example.

Edited By Bromium on 01/14/07 19:14

so if i changed the build to this...

STR: 16 (25)
DEX: 16
CON: 10
WIS: 14 (22)
INT: 12
CHA: 8

Hitpoints: 356
Skillpoints: 207
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 23/27/30
Saving Throw bonuses: Mind Effects: +4
BAB: 26
AB (max, naked): 34 (melee), 49 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 29/29
Spell Casting: Wizard(1)
Alignment Changes: 0

LEVEL PROGRESSION
01: W(1): Point Blank Shot, {Summon Familiar, Scribe Scroll}
02: M(1): {AC Bonus, Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist, Flurry of Blows}
03: M(2): Weapon Focus: Longbow, {Deflect Arrows}
04: M(3): STR+1, {Monk Endurance, Still Mind}, (STR=17)
05: M(4)
06: M(5): Zen Archery, {Purity of Body}
07: M(6): {Knockdown, Improved Knockdown}
08: M(7): STR+1, {Wholeness of Body}, (STR=18)
09: M(8): Toughness
10: M(9): {Improved Evasion}
11: AA(1): {Enchant Arrow I}
12: AA(2): STR+1, Improved Critical: Longbow, {Imbue Arrow}, (STR=19)
13: AA(3): {Enchant Arrow II}
14: AA(4): {Seeker Arrow I}
15: AA(5): Power Attack, {Enchant Arrow III}
16: AA(6): STR+1, {Seeker Arrow II}, (STR=20)
17: AA(7): {Enchant Arrow IV}
18: AA(8): Great Cleave, {Hail of Arrows}
19: AA(9): {Enchant Arrow V}
20: AA(10): STR+1, {Death Arrow}, (STR=21)
21: AA(11): Great Strength I, {Enchant Arrow VI}, (STR=22)
22: AA(12)
23: AA(13): {Enchant Arrow VII}
24: AA(14): STR+1, Great Strength II, Overwhelming Critical: Longbow, (STR=24)
25: AA(15): {Enchant Arrow VIII}
26: AA(16)
27: AA(17): Great Wisdom I, {Enchant Arrow IX}, (WIS=15)
28: AA(18): STR+1, Devastating Critical: Longbow, (STR=25)
29: AA(19): {Enchant Arrow X}
30: AA(20): Great Wisdom II, (WIS=16)
31: AA(21): {Enchant Arrow XI}
32: AA(22): WIS+1, Epic Prowess, (WIS=17)
33: AA(23): Great Wisdom III, {Enchant Arrow XII}, (WIS=18)
34: AA(24)
35: AA(25): {Enchant Arrow XIII}
36: AA(26): WIS+1, Great Wisdom IV, **Epic Reflexes, (WIS=20)
37: AA(27): {Enchant Arrow XIV}
38: AA(28)
39: AA(29): Great Wisdom V, {Enchant Arrow XV}, (WIS=21)
40: M(10): WIS+1, {KI Strike +1}, (WIS=22)

**cant take blind fighting

Edited By wizzkid14 on 01/14/07 19:30

Toughness grants you 40HP, blind fight will allow a re-roll on a missed shot due to concealment.

I'd pick Blind Fighting. I would drop DEX from 16 down to 14, and set CON to 12. Imo, 1 fort. and 40 HPs > 1 AC. oh i see now so...

STR: 16 (25)
DEX: 14
CON: 12
WIS: 14 (22)
INT: 12
CHA: 8

and on 9th level take blind fighting instead of toughness

09: M(8): Blind Fighting

thanks You include AC with mundane armour/shield, but this build isn't proficient with armour or shields (unless AA grants light armour proficiency or somesuch).

This an interesting take on the standard monk/AA combo, its also cool to see a non-RDD archer taking dev crit.

Kurth yes i used the CBC and it has included mundane armour/shield i used the CBC because i am pretty useless lol and according to the manual AA grants light and medium armour proficiency and shield but i understand that the manual is sometimes wrong

thanks AA grants light and medium armor proficiencies.

The CBC is usually trustable about build legality, but I hope this build is leveled up and tested in a leveler module too, as per the rules (the doubt comes from the armor proficiency comment)
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Edited By Kail Pendragon on 01/15/07 19:28

ok tested it on halls of advanced training...

Dev Crit Archer - Arcane Archer(29), Monk(10), Wizard (1)
Elf, Any Lawful
PvM/PvP, 1-40

STR: 16 (25)
DEX: 14
CON: 12
WIS: 14 (22)
INT: 12
CHA: 8

Hitpoints: 294
Skillpoints: 207
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 24/27/29
Saving Throw bonuses: Mind Effects: +4
BAB: 26
AB (max, naked): 34 (melee), 49 (ranged)
AB with Longbow +5 (Arrow +5): +53/+48/+43/+38
AC (naked): 28
AC with Hide Armour +5: 28
Spell Casting: Wizard(1)
Alignment Changes: 0

SKILLS
Discipline 43(50)
Hide 43(50)
Listen 35(39)
Move Silently 43(50)
Tumble 43(50)

LEVEL PROGRESSION
01: W(1): Point Blank Shot, {Summon Familiar, Scribe Scroll}
02: M(1): {AC Bonus, Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist, Flurry of Blows}
03: M(2): Weapon Focus: Longbow, {Deflect Arrows}
04: M(3): STR+1, {Monk Endurance, Still Mind}, (STR=17)
05: M(4)
06: M(5): Zen Archery, {Purity of Body}
07: M(6): {Knockdown, Improved Knockdown}
08: M(7): STR+1, {Wholeness of Body}, (STR=18)
09: M(8): Blind Fighting
10: M(9): {Improved Evasion}
11: AA(1): {Enchant Arrow I}
12: AA(2): STR+1, Improved Critical: Longbow, {Imbue Arrow}, (STR=19)
13: AA(3): {Enchant Arrow II}
14: AA(4): {Seeker Arrow I}
15: AA(5): Power Attack, {Enchant Arrow III}
16: AA(6): STR+1, {Seeker Arrow II}, (STR=20)
17: AA(7): {Enchant Arrow IV}
18: AA(8): Great Cleave, {Hail of Arrows}
19: AA(9): {Enchant Arrow V}
20: AA(10): STR+1, {Death Arrow}, (STR=21)
21: AA(11): Great Strength I, {Enchant Arrow VI}, (STR=22)
22: AA(12)
23: AA(13): {Enchant Arrow VII}
24: AA(14): STR+1, Great Strength II, Overwhelming Critical: Longbow, (STR=24)
25: AA(15): {Enchant Arrow VIII}
26: AA(16)
27: AA(17): Great Wisdom I, {Enchant Arrow IX}, (WIS=15)
28: AA(18): STR+1, Devastating Critical: Longbow, (STR=25)
29: AA(19): {Enchant Arrow X}
30: AA(20): Great Wisdom II, (WIS=16)
31: AA(21): {Enchant Arrow XI}
32: AA(22): WIS+1, Epic Prowess, (WIS=17)
33: AA(23): Great Wisdom III, {Enchant Arrow XII}, (WIS=18)
34: AA(24)
35: AA(25): {Enchant Arrow XIII}
36: AA(26): WIS+1, Great Wisdom IV, Epic Reflexes, (WIS=20)
37: AA(27): {Enchant Arrow XIV}
38: AA(28)
39: AA(29): Great Wisdom V, {Enchant Arrow XV}, (WIS=21)
40: M(10): WIS+1, {KI Strike +1}, (WIS=22)

well thats what i got... so this build does have light and medium armour proficiencies as Kail said. but doesnt wearing armour lose the monk ac bonus? wouldn't it be a better choice to have something like a robe with +5 ac?

thanks

Edited By wizzkid14 on 01/15/07 21:07

Yes, wearing the armor negates your wisdom AC bonus - so you'd be better off in robes +5 or the like, and hopefully max dexterity for the AC. I LOVE the Zen Archer solution to the flat-footed problem that the monk AA has otherwise. I do. I really do.

Which is not to say that I don't see any way to make this build better.

Arguably anyway

I would take Pre Epic Monk 8 Wiz 2 AA 10. You gain an AB (Wiz 2 v. Monk 9) and the ability to run Spellcraft up to 23 (taking Wiz 2 at level 20), which will make use of wizard scrolls pretty doable. The cost is that Level 10 monk bonus to AC. So 1 AB for 1 AC and use of scrolls. Debatable but I think the scale tilts toward 2 wizard levels.

Did I mention that I love the wisdom-based archer?

I do.

Cheers,

Ithacan