Dex was left at 15 because this guy wears Full Plate and 16 is a waste. Int is 19 late in life to get level 9 spells. Con Hurts Bad so you'll have to Buff it up with items/spells.
This guys is a two-blader warrior that began got tired of being hit by magic and decided to merge his blade skills with his new magic skills.
Magic spells should be buffing spells mostly. Perhaps some Dispells as well.
This guy is meant for a world that has no Dev Crit. He gets 7 attacks per round (with haste) and has a good crit range, 15-20 on his Keen two-bladed sword. His Magical skills will offset his lack of good AC and lack of Hit Points.
True Strike being the PRIMARY level 1 spell this guy will love.
Still Spell was taken so that he can cast while in armor. Improved Combat Casting for no AoO while wiggling his fingers.
I decided to take the wizard route instead of maxing up WM because you will gain a stronger character with all those wizard spells instead of more WM levels. Dispelling your opponent might be a lot better than having +6 AB.
If you want a specialized wizard, chose carefully so as to not cut access to certain spells.
I'd suggest a Pixie as a familiar so that you can disarm traps and open locks.
Self buffing your blade with Keen + Flame Weapon is always nice. Free access to use wands is also a plus.
No other builds had this class + level layout.
That weak Con, and no toughness? Why ot dump cleave for toughness, or is that a preq for something else I overlooked?
And double-axe is far more sexy then twobladed sword.
And what level 9 spells are you aiming for? Timestop, bigbys and spell mantle?
Errm... I think Cleave is needed for Great Cleave which is in turn needed for Overwhelming Critical? That's what my little manual of doom says anyway.
Two Bladed Sword has a better Crit range than a Double Axe. The Double Axe does have a better Crit Multiplier. So it's up to the user to get more crits or get better crits.
Cleave & Great Cleave are (as stated previously) needed for Overwhelming Crit, but they are also very good feats to have in general. Toughness only grants 40 HPs. A Good Con boosting item and Spell can make up for that.
Improved Invis or Darkness+ultravision would help this guy alot.
This guy is mainly a fighter for damage dealing, his magic only enhances that aspect and maybe debuffs his ennemy before engagine in battle.
The level 9 spell slot is to be able to cast level 8 spells while in armor (still spell).
Is there anyway this could be played PvP on a server that bans Dev Crit.? _________________ Willwoms is the most super, amazing, fabulous, marvellous, exciting, dangerous and lethal dex sneak in Life vs Death.Well will be eventually. *slits your throat*.
Quote: Posted 09/17/07 21:12 (GMT) -- Bromium I rolled this guy up to exists on a PW that had Dev Crit nerfed out. He is meant to be played up from level 1. PvM
This build was created for worlds sans Dev Crit; so the answer is yes Though I am sure there are more PvP viable builds if that is what you are looking for? _________________ -4SakN
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Edited By 4SakN on 09/18/07 18:16
Why not start with 18 STR? Then you could raise your starting INT to 14 and your starting CON to 10. Switch out 2 of your INT boosts (either feats or ability raises or one of each) for STR boosts. Same final result, but 40 more HPs, more skill points, and +1 on your Fort saves.
*edit* In fact, if you switch your first two INT boosts to STR, you'll be at exactly the same point in your build at level 8 as you would the way you level it now (STR 20 and INT 14). But you'll have more HPs. _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
Edited By Cinnabar Din on 09/18/07 20:58
Some thoughts on the WIZ levels taken, especially so late in the build: you most likely will be dispelled extremely easily (you're getting level 1 WIZ spells at character level 22. Want to guess what happens to your buffs when you run into a caster?)
As well, you most likely won't be dispelling anything at all, since the critters (caster types) you're going to meet when you get even the lowest level Dispel Magic spell are going to be equivalent to level 26 or thereabouts = undispellable. By level 40 you'll have Mord's, but that's a long time to wait. You won't even have the ability to use scrolls until level 22.
Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of the spellsword and I really like the looks and concept of this build. Unfortunately, I'd have to guess that in practice, this guy's not going to be nearly as sweet as he looks on paper. _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
It is true that this build can be dispelled. His main focus IS melee of course, so he was never meant to be the best mage out there. I view his tactic as (pre-buff before combat, rush up 1/2 way, throw one offensive (dispel?) spell and then go slice and dice.
The opposing force would indeed throw a dispell first... but that would be their one action before then eat blade.
Of course there is nothing stoping a TIME STOP + Mord + IGMS to the face...
There's only so much you can do vs a TIME STOP mage.
Can't dispel Keen, flame Blade, True Strike.
His one spell prior to going into melee is a "best case" scenario where you actually get the chance to throw one off before clashing blades.
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Shuffling STR and INT looks good. I'll put that into the spreadsheet and see how it pans out.
Good point , Bromium. I tend to forget the default game settings can't dispel your weapon buffs (where I play on-line, they do get dispelled). You can definitely play it the way you envision. I was just pointing out some of the possible limitations. I still like the build though. _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
By lowering initial STR to 18 (vs 20) I was able to add 2 to INT and 2 to CON. My end build still had the same STR and INT, but also netted 10 more skill points and 40 more HPs.
*golf clap to Cin*
My first question is why Half-Orc? Going Human allows you another feat, giving you no negative start to your INT and more skills as a result.
Taking WM and every feat bar Dev Crit along its pre-req route is always a tough ask, particularly when you try to make it a caster too. Something should really have to give here, but I do admire your intentions.
Personally I would forego Improved Combat Casting, Great Cleave and Overwhelming Critical in favour of Extend Spell and possibly two Great Strengths or Epic Energy Resist Fire and Acid
If you drop two Wiz levels to 15, meaning you keep the bonus feat and up to 8th level spells then you can slip in another two fighter levels, gaining you hp and an extra feat
Going Fighter 18, Wiz 15, WM 7 with starting stats of STR 16, DEX 15, CON 14, WIS 8, INT 14 & CHA 8 would net you an increase of 172 HP, 57 skill points, allowing you to max Concentration & Heal, drop a point into Disable Trap, Search and Open Lock, while keeping Spellcraft to 41 (45), gives you a further 13 points to throw around. You can also fit in Toughness pre-epic and PA & Cleave earlier on. Overall though your feats available remain the same throughout otherwise.
You could take Fighter levels at 21st, 27th, 32nd, 37th and 40th thereby maximizing your discipline ranks throughout its epic life and also at the final level-up.
Ideas really for you.
Quote: Posted 09/20/07 12:10 (GMT) -- I...Samphus
My first question is why Half-Orc? Going Human allows you another feat, giving you no negative start to your INT and more skills as a result.
I think he was going for something different. While human (or Dwarf--even more HP) is an optimal choice, I think he was trying to choose the road not taken. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
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Quote: Posted 09/20/07 12:10 (GMT) -- I...Samphus
My first question is why Half-Orc? Going Human allows you another feat, giving you no negative start to your INT and more skills as a result.
I cannot speak for the OP, but Half Orcs are THE BOMB!!
imvho, it takes a bit more planning to do a half orc build well. Humans are nice and tidy. Halforcs are messy! Especially a Wizard Half orc!!!
I have been playing nwn for what feels like forever, and it has been only recently where i have took up the half orc. I believe it is something that one grows into!
Besides, what other race allows you to get dev crit at lv 21? Maybe I should post my most recent PRC cleric to help you see the truly AWESOME potential of a well built orc!
Besides, what other race allows you to get dev crit at lv 21? Maybe I should post my most recent PRC cleric to help you see the truly AWESOME potential of a well built orc!
Finally, HALF ORC KILLs ALLL!!!!!
Umm, this is not a PRC build thread. Dev crit for half-orc occurs at level 22 minimum here.
Quote: Posted 09/21/07 05:11 (GMT) -- WhiZard
Quote: Posted 09/21/07 02:49 (GMT) -- avado
Besides, what other race allows you to get dev crit at lv 21? Maybe I should post my most recent PRC cleric to help you see the truly AWESOME potential of a well built orc!
Finally, HALF ORC KILLs ALLL!!!!!
Umm, this is not a PRC build thread. Dev crit for half-orc occurs at level 22 minimum here.
ummm *2 ... Dev Crit is possible at 21 with a 1/2 Orc.
Yes, it's no different than a halfling/elf getting Epic Dodge at level 21. Start the half-orc with a 20 Strength, have Str25 by Level20, take an even Fighter level at Level 21, and get both Overwhelming and Dev Crit in one fell swoop. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
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Quote: Posted 09/21/07 05:11 (GMT) -- WhiZard
Quote: Posted 09/21/07 02:49 (GMT) -- avado
Besides, what other race allows you to get dev crit at lv 21? Maybe I should post my most recent PRC cleric to help you see the truly AWESOME potential of a well built orc!
Finally, HALF ORC KILLs ALLL!!!!!
Umm, this is not a PRC build thread. Dev crit for half-orc occurs at level 22 minimum here.
I am not sure why you have to be like this. PRC is no different than nwn. It has given me many hours of joy when I have done just about everything I could have thought up with nwn.
WhiZ, you are a very intelligent builder/player. I just wonder which combo of classes would grant dev crit at lv 22 THAT COULDNT BE DONE AT LV 21?
Like I said before, Half Orcs are an aquired taste. They require ALOT more planning than a human would. In the end, this is why I choose to build half orcs. Oh, and gettin dev crit at lv 21 (which is very possible in MANY MANY varietys of non prc builds, for ex bard/cot/rdd) is one of the BEST challenges. _________________
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It's important to remember that with ANY build posted to the forums, a person should should or could be inspired by them and make their own creation that suits their world/module. There are not many 1/2 Orc casters out there. Perhaps this version would therefor be more inclined to an RP world where dev crit was removed. The "Shaman Warrior" type of 1/2 Orc.
I chose 1/2 Orc. You can chose human. But you can't chose halfling or gnome because a 2-bladder is a large weapon.
a 2-bladder is an anatomical anomality _________________ I generally avoid temptation, unless I can't resist it...
Quote: Posted 09/22/07 21:37 (GMT) -- Mick Dagger
a 2-bladder is an anatomical anomality
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Quote: Posted 09/23/07 09:25 (GMT) -- FinneousPJ
Quote: Posted 09/22/07 21:37 (GMT) -- Mick Dagger
a 2-bladder is an anatomical anomality
omg! I JUST got that one!!! 2 blader, but 2 bladder!! wow i am feelin canadian today!! (sorry ive only had 5 beers before breakfast)
Yes, it's no different than a halfling/elf getting Epic Dodge at level 21. Start the half-orc with a 20 Strength, have Str25 by Level20, take an even Fighter level at Level 21, and get both Overwhelming and Dev Crit in one fell swoop.
I thought epic weapon focus was needed as well.
It's not. The manual is wrong on that account. All you need for Dev Crit is Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Improved Critical, Overwhelming Critical, and 25+ STR. _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
Quote: Posted 09/22/07 17:35 (GMT) -- Bromium
I chose 1/2 Orc. You can chose human. But you can't chose halfling or gnome because a 2-bladder is a large weapon.
Quote: Posted 09/22/07 21:37 (GMT) -- Mick Dagger
a 2-bladder is an anatomical anomality
(er, that *is* pretty funny, then, probably a good thing Sharp here is a shaman, w. some points in heal, so can fix that, right?
Hmmm, a half-orc with Int?! That's just cool! (while I can't find a 2-bladder pic (then, this is a family-friendly site so probably wouldn't be appropriate anyway I did find ya a nice pic of a half-orc shaman, Brom (worth a 1,000 words as they say, right? ... then, a cool build deserves a cool pic me thinks (and do hope you likes) ~ Cast/Charge On! ~ Tyr
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