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the major difference is that this is a concept build based on max damage soaking without spells. leveling this guy is near impossible due to the AB, but on my PW, we get party xp bonuses, and he is intended to serve as the party tank/reser.

dwarf
bard 4/pale master 10/dwarven defender 26

str 13 --> 13
dex 13 --> 13
con 18 --> 28
wis 8 --> 8
int 13 --> 13
chr 11 --> 11

discipline 43
spellcraft 40
tumble 40
UMD 7
persuade 13

Naked AC = 27
+tower shield +full plate +imp exp = 50

+25/20/15 (mundane warhammer)


damage 1-8+1 20/x3

F 32
R 21
W 26

BAB 24

01 expertise (BRD 1)
02 (BRD 2)
03 imp exp (BRD 3)
04 con +1 = 19 (PM 1)
05 (PM 2)
06 dodge (PM 3)
07 (PM 4)
08 con +1 = 20 (PM 5)
09 toughness (PM 6)
10 (PM 7
11 (PM 8)
12 con +1 = 21, skill focus: discipline (PM 9)
13 (PM 10)
14 (DwD 1)
15 iron will (DwD 2)
16 con +1 = 22(DwD 3)
17 (DwD 4)
18 lightning reflexes (DwD 5)
19 (DwD 6)
20 con +1 = 23 (DwD 7)
21 armor skin (DwD 8)
22 (DwD 9)
23 (DwD 10)
24 con +1 = 24, resist energy: electric (DwD 11)
25 (DwD 12)
26 (DwD 13)
27 resist energy: sonic, epic DR I (DwD 14)
28 con +1 = 25(DwD 15)
29 (DwD 16)
30 epic DR II (DwD 17)
31 epic DR III (DwD 18)
32 con +1 = 26(DwD 19)
33 epic energy resist acid I (DwD 20)
34 (DwD 21)
35 epic energy resist acid II (DwD 22)
36 con +1 = 27, epic skill focus discipline (DwD 23)
37 (DwD 24)
38 (DwD 25)
39 epic energy resist cold 1, epic energy resist fire I(DwD 26)
40 con +1 = 28(BRD 4)

cons:

pathetic AB, however this is a concept build tailored for tanking bosses and high dmg dealing monsters. on my PW, we get bonus party xp, and this char would be leveled only in large groups.


pros:

high HP, in the 700s with random rolls with no con boosting items
DR, lots of it with 3 EDR feats, 26 levels of DwD, 4 epic DR feats and 2 resist energy feats
crit immunity
decent saves

variations:

taking resist energy sonic and electric pre-epic in place of lighting reflexes and iron will, and taking 2 great con feats post-epic to net another 40 hp and +1 to fort saves.

Disabled smileys from post - Kail Pendragon

Edited By Kail Pendragon on 10/06/07 23:49

Looks like a good party tank, and let me be the first to send you a Tell to get in my party. I like tanks, especially the big, rotten, smell kind.
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Ariel, Ookla, RIDE! Could you do anything to up the BAB by two to get 4 APR? Putting two PM in epic still makes your character immune to stun (though not crits), but that is only an increase of one to BAB.
Quote: Posted 10/06/07 23:09 (GMT) -- WhiZard

Could you do anything to up the BAB by two to get 4 APR?

Using the current level spread, no. He would need to go Bard8/PM2/DwD10 to get the 16BAB. As long as he keeps only 4Bard, there's really no way around it since he needs a 7BAB to qualify for DwD.
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Ariel, Ookla, RIDE! i was wondering if everyone could comment on the initial stat distribution as that always seems to be my weak point. what do you think of the current distribution? a variation i was considering was going str 11 and wis 10 to add +1 to will saves. the str is this build is really only to be able to carry the gear he's wearing, and oodles of heals and res scrolls.

also, any comment on my idea of forsaking iron will and lighting reflexes for an additional +2 to con? Hmm, well you're definitely a party guy, you resist heavy damage but deal almost none, if you don't care at all for hitting and dealing damage your stats are fine, I wouldn't lower STR any more than that, you'll be wearing Heavy Plate on this guy and you need to be able to move, you also need good Discipline checks you know.

Quote: variations:

taking resist energy sonic and electric pre-epic in place of lighting reflexes and iron will, and taking 2 great con feats post-epic to net another 40 hp and +1 to fort saves.

No, increasing your CON is practically whorthless when you have so much HP, you need to reinforce something else that isn't so high, you have actually another two variants which are both better that the current setup:

Take Epic Energy Resistances, since the only pre-requirement is being level 21, I've no idea why you take non-epic in epic levels, that's a mistake.

On the other side you can take energy resistances pre-epic in favor of Epic Lightning Reflexes and Epic Iron Will, those are also better.

You shouldn't take out your saves feats completely, you will need saves if you're a real tanker.
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Quote: Posted 10/07/07 15:50 (GMT) -- Thaxll'ssyllia

Hmm, well you're definitely a party guy, you resist heavy damage but deal almost none, if you don't care at all for hitting and dealing damage your stats are fine, I wouldn't lower STR any more than that, you'll be wearing Heavy Plate on this guy and you need to be able to move, you also need good Discipline checks you know.

Quote: variations:

taking resist energy sonic and electric pre-epic in place of lighting reflexes and iron will, and taking 2 great con feats post-epic to net another 40 hp and +1 to fort saves.

No, increasing your CON is practically whorthless when you have so much HP, you need to reinforce something else that isn't so high, you have actually another two variants which are both better that the current setup:

Take Epic Energy Resistances, since the only pre-requirement is being level 21, I've no idea why you take non-epic in epic levels, that's a mistake.

On the other side you can take energy resistances pre-epic in favor of Epic Lightning Reflexes and Epic Iron Will, those are also better.

You shouldn't take out your saves feats completely, you will need saves if you're a real tanker.
great suggestions. looking back at the build, i have no idea why i took resist energy post epic. i think i may have thought epic energy resists were bonus feats. it's very tempting to take epic will and epic reflexes. A few other things: it needs to be noted that there are 2 alignment shifts in the build-- one early and one late. You also have over 800 hit points naturally. It's quite easy for him to jump over a 1000. It's been said, but dump both of those pre-epic resistance feats. They don't stack with Epic ones. Load up on Fire and Acid.

If you redo this character sheet, have the class and level come first in the levelling guide. It's easier to read and to to see how one is to level. For instance,

1 Bard1, Toughness
2 Bard2
3 Bard3, Expertise
4 Palemaster1, Con19

and so on.
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Ariel, Ookla, RIDE! another variation i was thinking about would be going 12 STR and 14 INT to give me another skill, probably concentration to be able to avoid any attempts to lower AC with taunt.