Here's a build filling another vacancy in the Pure Builds Thread. You're all familiar with the benefits of 10 levels of RDD, but what about the benefits of the additional 20 levels? You get another +4 AC (for a total of +8 from RDD), five bonus feats, 20 levels of d12 hit dice, and more damage and higher DC for Dragon Breath.
Empyre's Pure Red Dragon Disciple (Bard 10 / Red Dragon Disciple 30) Human, Non-Lawful Playable 1 - 40, PvM
Leveling Guide: Human: (Quick to Master) 01: Bard(1): Weapon Proficiency Martial, Blind Fight 02: Bard(2) 03: Bard(3): Weapon Focus 04: Bard(4): STR+1, (STR=17) 05: Bard(5) 06: Bard(6): Lingering Song 07: Bard(7) 08: Red Dragon Disciple(1): STR+1, (STR=18) 09: Red Dragon Disciple(2): Armor Proficiency Heavy, (STR=20) 10: Red Dragon Disciple(3) 11: Red Dragon Disciple(4): (STR=22) 12: Bard(8): STR+1, Curse Song, (STR=23) 13: Red Dragon Disciple(5) 14: Red Dragon Disciple(6) 15: Red Dragon Disciple(7): Power Attack, (CON=18) 16: Red Dragon Disciple(8): STR+1, (STR=24) 17: Bard(9) 18: Red Dragon Disciple(9): Cleave, (INT=14) 19: Red Dragon Disciple(10): {Darkvision}, (STR=28), (CHA=14) 20: Bard(10): STR+1, (STR=29) 21: Red Dragon Disciple(11): Epic Weapon Focus 22: Red Dragon Disciple(12) 23: Red Dragon Disciple(13) 24: Red Dragon Disciple(14): STR+1, Great Constitution I, Epic Prowess, (STR=30), (CON=19) 25: Red Dragon Disciple(15) 26: Red Dragon Disciple(16) 27: Red Dragon Disciple(17): Great Constitution II, (CON=20) 28: Red Dragon Disciple(18): CON+1, Armor Skin, (CON=21) 29: Red Dragon Disciple(19) 30: Red Dragon Disciple(20): Great Constitution III, (CON=22) 31: Red Dragon Disciple(21) 32: Red Dragon Disciple(22): STR+1, Epic Damage Reduction I, (STR=31) 33: Red Dragon Disciple(23): Great Strength I, (STR=32) 34: Red Dragon Disciple(24) 35: Red Dragon Disciple(25) 36: Red Dragon Disciple(26): STR+1, Great Strength II, Epic Damage Reduction II, (STR=34) 37: Red Dragon Disciple(27) 38: Red Dragon Disciple(28) 39: Red Dragon Disciple(29): Great Strength III, (STR=35) 40: Red Dragon Disciple(30): STR+1, Epic Damage Reduction III, (STR=36)
01: Discipline(4), Lore(4), Perform(4), Spellcraft(4), Tumble(4), UMD(4) 02: Discipline(1), Lore(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1) 03: Discipline(1), Lore(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1) 04: Discipline(1), Lore(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1) 05: Discipline(1), Lore(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1) 06: Discipline(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(1) 07: Discipline(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(2) 08: Discipline(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(4) 09: Discipline(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(6) 10: Discipline(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(8) 11: Discipline(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(10) 12: Discipline(1), Perform(4), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(5), UMD(5) 13: Discipline(1), Lore(2), Spellcraft(1) 14: Discipline(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(2) 15: Discipline(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(4) 16: Discipline(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(6) 17: Discipline(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(5), UMD(5) 18: Discipline(1), Listen(2), Spellcraft(1) 19: Discipline(1), Listen(3), Spellcraft(1) 20: Discipline(1), Listen(2), Spellcraft(1), UMD(3) 21: Discipline(1), Listen(3), Spellcraft(1) 22: Discipline(1), Listen(3), Spellcraft(1) 23: Discipline(1), Listen(3), Spellcraft(1) 24: Discipline(1), Listen(3), Spellcraft(1) 25: Discipline(1), Listen(3), Spellcraft(1) 26: Discipline(1), Listen(3), Spellcraft(1) 27: Discipline(1), Listen(3), Spellcraft(1) 28: Discipline(1), Listen(3), Spellcraft(1) 29: Discipline(1), Listen(1), Lore(2), Spellcraft(1) 30: Discipline(1), Listen(1), Lore(2), Spellcraft(1) 31: Discipline(1), Listen(1), Lore(2), Spellcraft(1) 32: Discipline(1), Listen(1), Lore(2), Spellcraft(1) 33: Discipline(1), Listen(1), Lore(2), Spellcraft(1) 34: Discipline(1), Listen(1), Lore(2), Spellcraft(1) 35: Discipline(1), Listen(1), Lore(2), Spellcraft(1) 36: Discipline(1), Listen(1), Lore(2), Spellcraft(1) 37: Discipline(1), Listen(1), Lore(2), Spellcraft(1) 38: Discipline(1), Listen(1), Lore(2), Spellcraft(1) 39: Discipline(1), Listen(1), Lore(2), Spellcraft(1) 40: Discipline(1), Listen(1), Lore(2), Spellcraft(1) _________________ "Never laugh in the face of a live dragon." - Bilbo Baggins
Another pure build? I know the +4AC in epic is nice, but are you just going to continue this through each prestige class? I have the feeling the next one posted is a sorcerer/RDD, then a bard/palemaster and wizard/palemaster. (Please skip sorcerer 10/palemaster 30 they can't take a sorcerer level high enough to be able select level 9 spells.)
No, I don't intend to do every prestige class, and I have no plans for a Sorcerer/ RDD nor a Wizard/ Pale Master. _________________ Logic is a bouquet of beautiful flowers ... that smell bad!
Well then, what's the point to this one? Seems an absolutely awful build in my eyes, and I can't see any reason to do it other than the (rather bizarre) desire to make a thirty level RDD build. Why bother at all? If you're going to do this, why not do a sorc10/PM30? How is that different? You can make the best 30 level PM sorc build possible. Wowee zowee.
I'll admit I never really understood the desire for pure builds to begin with, but 'pure' prestige class builds seem even more ridiculous, especially when the results are god awful. It's all just so incredibly artificial.
Quote: Here's a build filling another vacancy in the Pure Builds Thread.
I'm inclined to believe there was a vacant on the pure RDD build mainly because the RDD really sucks to be taken to 30th level. I'd never take more than 10 RDD unless your PW restricts a minimum level in order to take the class (and still, that's very annoying, but it's usually not too high anyway).
So, what comes from epic RDD? just a very little amount of AC and a bonus feat every 4 leves (which is the lowest possible for any class).
When it comes to 30 levels of a prestige class, only Weapon Master, Assassin, Dwarven Defender and Arcane Archer are actually worth it... maybe Blackguard too. Since all the rest are no good, why make them?. _________________ The world is full of lies! “Thou shalt not kill”, “Thou shalt not steal”. These are all deceptions. “I don't want to be killed”, “I don't want to be a victim of theft”, that is why they use lies like justice and morals to protect their weak selves.
When it comes to 30 levels of a prestige class, only Weapon Master, Assassin, Dwarven Defender and Arcane Archer are actually worth it... maybe Blackguard too. Since all the rest are no good, why make them?.
When it comes to 30 levels of a prestige class, only Weapon Master, Assassin, Dwarven Defender and Arcane Archer are actually worth it... maybe Blackguard too. Since all the rest are no good, why make them?.
Don't forget Harper Scout!
I didn't forget, it was out of my list on purpose; I wrote explicitly "30 levels". _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
I know you all have had it drilled into you for years never to take more than 10 levels of RDD, but take an objective look at this build. It is not optimal, but it is not really all that awful.
With 36 STR and 41 mundane AB, he should have a decent melee presence for PvM. With 624 hit points, EDR III, and 35 mundane AC, he should be able to take a licking and keep on ticking. His saves are decent (minimum of 20), with +9 against spells.
The Bard Song and Curse Song is only level 8, but it is there.
Also, I would think this build would be easy to RP, fully embracing his inner dragon. _________________ "Never laugh in the face of a live dragon." - Bilbo Baggins
It's not that it's completely unplayable, but 41 AB is crap for a regular RDD build, and very lousy for any melee build. Man, a Pure Fighter gets higher than that! _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 10/18/08 20:45
I think we should all give this man credit for continuing in a vein that is clearly against what the EPIC character build guild is designed for. Lest we forget, this guild was designed for people who have a desire to build and share builds that were the best of the best! Our leader has several on bioware's page! This is what the guild IS! or saddly, was.
Empyre, i do respect your devotion to a dying thread. Really, the Pure builds thread was designed for the base classes. The reason you are finding these "vacancies" as you say is because there is no real concrete definition of a pure build. You say pure rdd is 10bard/30rdd, why? When you look at things, REALLY look at things, rdd isnt designed to take past 10. Infact, when we look at nwn2, no prc is taken past 10.. does this suggest something? only indirectly. I am not using the nwn2 comment as concrete Evidence, only to help clarify.
Look at it this way, if rdd gets ALL the goods in 10 levels, taking more than 10 is a waste. Bard, as has been edumicated to me over the last few weeks really tops at 30... hmm. This suggests to me that a PURE rdd is something like a bard30/rdd10 build. Or, even for some synergistic virtuosity.. 10bard/10rdd/20sorc!! OOOHH!! me likes the sound of that one!
The really hard part of these "pure" builds for me, a long standing memeber of the guild, is that they are only your rather weak presentations of builds. If i was new to this guild, your relentless posting of weak builds would turn me off (it has already and i am addicted!!). You have proven what ever little point you have made. Please listen to onion eater.. please.
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Edited By avado on 10/19/08 00:32
Quote: Just one bit, OT! Yes thax, 4 levels sucks, but i thougth that monk had epics on 5 lvls? please correct this unfaithful?
You are enlightened with reason Sir avado. I'm at fault for my ruthless wrong asseveration, so I'm willing to adhere to whatever torture this mistake entails.
Well, alright, so Monks suck ever more on bonus epic feats, but nobody takes Monk past 20 anyway unless you're attempting an SR Monk, guess why.
Quote: Oh, and thanks for fighting the good fight against the tyranny of the evil "pure" prc builds! Long Live THAX!!
Aye, glad to be of service, call me wehenever you find pure builds that require vanquishing. _________________
Quote: Posted 05/09/08 07:26 (GMT) -- avado
THax, you know i love and respect you, right?
Quote: Posted 10/19/08 00:31 (GMT) -- avado
I think we should all give this man credit for continuing in a vein that is clearly against what the EPIC character build guild is designed for. Lest we forget, this guild was designed for people who have a desire to build and share builds that were the best of the best!
Within specified parameters, which in this case is being a "pure" PrC build (but it could be general PvM or PvP or a theme build etc.).
If you don't like Empyre's build you are free to do so as you are free to point out weaknesses in his build, but I don't consider it fair to keep on ganging up on him this way.
Peace _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
I didn't forget, it was out of my list on purpose; I wrote explicitly "30 levels".