1 )FTR1: Weapon Focus/ Dodge/ Mobility 2 )FTR2: Expertise 3 )FTR3: Blind Fight 4 )FTR4: Weapon Specialization/ CHA (15) 5 )FTR5 6 )FTR6: Spring Attack/Whirlwind Attack 7 )WM1 8 )WM2: CHA (16) 9 )WM3: Power Attack 10)WM4 11)WM5 12)WM6: Cleave/ CHA (17) 13)BG1 14)BG2 15)BG3: Divine Might 16)WM7: CHA (18) 17)FTR7 18)BG4: Divine Shield 19)FTR8: Improved Critical 20)FTR9: CHA (19)
21)WM8: GRT CHA I (20) 22)WM9 23)WM10 24)WM11: GRT CHA II (21)/ CHA (22) 25)WM12 26)WM13: Epic Weapon Focus 27)FTR10: GRT CHA III (23)/ Epic Weapon Specialization 28)WM14: CHA (24) 29)WM15 30)WM16: ESF:Discipline*/Epic Prowess 31)WM17 32)WM18: CHA (25) 33)WM19: GRT CHA IV (26)/ Armor Skin 34)WM20 35)WM21 36)WM22: GRT CHA V(27)/ Epic Toughness I/ CHA (28) 37)WM23 38)WM24 39)WM25: GRT CHA VI (29)/ Epic Toughness II 40)BG5: CHA (30)
*I might be very tempted to go with ESF:Taunt instead.
AB: +43/+38/+33/+28 AC in mundane plate and tower shield: 28 HP: 480
Extras Bull's Strength as a spell-like ability Divine Shield for up to +16 AC for up to 16 rounds Divine might for up to +16 divine damage for up to 16 rounds +1d6 sneak dice Good crit range and critical damage, no matter what weapon is chosen (I picture this gal with a battleaxe for some reason, though) Testing in a leveller with +5 gear showed some nice crit damage with the battleaxe (average of around 160).
Thoughts There are only a handful of builds in the Guild that have this class combination, and none of them go with this much WM. Theonly WM/BG mix with heavy WM has Monk as the third class. While this gal is not the greatest, she does have some advantages. However, she'll run into a bit of a rough patch as far as AB and damage goes from late pre-epic through early epic levels, as she doesn't have the big AB boost from WM and doesn't have a very high CHA. Much of this can be mitigated if she finds STR and/or CHA enhancing gear. Lack of UMD is always lamentable, but she does have some pretty good saves for a straight-up melee character with no CoT levels. Good AB due to WM bonus, but her damage without Divine Might and crits is low. She should seek out both STR and CHA-enhancing gear.
This isn't by any means an uber build, but she does have some appeal, she's different, and with the Dwarflord posting some very nice builds fairly regularly of late, I've been inspired to have a look through some old ones. This is a dusty old experiment that I wasn't entirely satisfied with (and still I'm not completely happy with it), but looking at it again, I figure it's worth posting. _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
Edited By Cinnabar Din on 11/17/08 06:48
Quote: Posted 11/17/08 06:47 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din
There are only a handful of builds in the Guild that have this class combination,
Two to be exact. An they're just too bloated with BG to count.
Quote: This is a dusty old experiment that I wasn't entirely satisfied with (and still I'm not completely happy with it), but looking at it again, I figure it's worth posting.
It's funny you mention this, because I've been comparing yours to one that I had made about 6 months ago, and I remember thinking the same thing.... just not completely satisfied. For 4 more AB and another 40 hps, I started with a 15 Str and 14 Con, and then went for a final score of Str24 and Chr22. Ended with a 47AB that way, which was a little easier to swallow while still having a decent divine damage back-up. I think what bothers you is what bothered me in the end, and that was all those epic bonus feats wasted on Epic Toughnesses. But that's about all there is unfortunately.
Regardless, I still think it is an excellent way to approach the BG class, and you were right to skip the ESF: Taunt. You have a built-in skill focus for it (but I can still see one or 2 bad guys out there where maybe that ESF is needed). Well done, Cin. And see, you said the flames were all extinguished. All you need to do is stoke those embers. You still got it! _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
Ariel, Ookla, RIDE! Gotta love these CHA WMs
Quote: Posted 11/17/08 07:30 (GMT) -- grizzled_dwarflord I think what bothers you is what bothered me in the end, and that was all those epic bonus feats wasted on Epic Toughnesses. But that's about all there is unfortunately.
Yah, that's a bummer for a lot of high WM builds. So it goes. Worst part is the init. feats would be really handy, if you could only fit in the pre-epics...
Fairly nice AB for a 30 CHA build, though it's pretty low for a Weapon Master's standards. It looks like a very good divine damage dealer, most builds with that much divine damage have even lousier ABs.
Quote: by grizzled_dwarflord I think what bothers you is what bothered me in the end, and that was all those epic bonus feats wasted on Epic Toughnesses. But that's about all there is unfortunately.
Does not! The build already takes Cleave, so if Cin dropped something (like ESF: Discipline or Armor Skin) for Great Cleave, he could change those useless bonus Epic Toughness for Overwhelming and Devastating Critical, which are better IMO. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
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Fairly nice AB for a 30 CHA build, though it's pretty low for a Weapon Master's standards. It looks like a very good divine damage dealer, most builds with that much divine damage have even lousier ABs.
Quote: by grizzled_dwarflord I think what bothers you is what bothered me in the end, and that was all those epic bonus feats wasted on Epic Toughnesses. But that's about all there is unfortunately.
Does not! The build already takes Cleave, so if Cin dropped something (like ESF: Discipline or Armor Skin) for Great Cleave, he could change those useless bonus Epic Toughness for Overwhelming and Devastating Critical, which are better IMO.
He doesn't qualify for those, being CHA based. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Kail nailed it. But back to the ESF: Taunt, the more I think about it the more I like the idea over Discipline. Since there are no Taunt dumps along the way in Epic, that would be a nice one to drop in there around Level 27-30. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
Ariel, Ookla, RIDE!
If you do drop ESF:disc, might as well drop disc entirely. In many environments, that might not be a bad idea at all. I know I've played a few meleers w/out discipline (in both senses of the word), and so long as the only attack you have to worry about is KD, and you can get KD immunity... Of course, if you have called shots and disarms to face as well, I think the ESF is a necessity.
Fairly nice AB for a 30 CHA build, though it's pretty low for a Weapon Master's standards. It looks like a very good divine damage dealer, most builds with that much divine damage have even lousier ABs.
Quote: by grizzled_dwarflord I think what bothers you is what bothered me in the end, and that was all those epic bonus feats wasted on Epic Toughnesses. But that's about all there is unfortunately.
Does not! The build already takes Cleave, so if Cin dropped something (like ESF: Discipline or Armor Skin) for Great Cleave, he could change those useless bonus Epic Toughness for Overwhelming and Devastating Critical, which are better IMO.
k, we all know that this isnt really Thax! Someone must have ambushed his account and did some posting sabotages trying to sully his good name.... or not
In all my days i have never witnessed such a travesty as this... may you live long an' prosper.. and may your mind return to you in good speed.... _________________
I think avado answered your question like no other could...
Edited By avado on 11/18/08 06:47
Mister Thax goes crazy from time to time, (or drunk, or who knows, there should be some excuse I can call to whenever I say stupid stuff), have a laugh or two at his incoherent rambling and excuse his misbehavior please. I need to re-install the game, start playing once more and make a new build, I guess I'm out of practice. _________________
Quote: Posted 07/28/06 23:16:09 (GMT) -- Big Meph Using the 2 ESF's in a dex based sneak build, to me, just looks like you're teasing your diabetic opponent with extra sugar on your whipcream covered chocolate mudcake.
Don't be so tough on yourself, Thax. I think you were on to something. If the WM foregoed some of the Charisma and instead went Str, say Str26/Chr20 split, then you could drop those Epic Toughni (hey, better than Toughnesseses!) for the OC and the DC. AB is helped in the process as are overall critical and base damage.
I think I like the 30 Charisma more, if only because I find all that Divine Might damage sexy. It's still a great build. Not to drag this OT, but I think BGs should be given a bit more in the skillset department. I don't feel that the mojority of their powers transfers to NWN all that well. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
