This skilled warrior handles ranged and melee combat equally well. He specializes in both the scimitar and the longbow and can land devastating damage with both weapons.
Fighter 20/ Bard 5/ Arcane Archer 15
Half elf of any non lawful alignment. PvM play, level 1-40
Special abilities: Devastating critical with ranged and melee weapon Heavy damage with ranged and melee (piercing and slashing) Equally good ranged and melee AB UMD: Casts all scrolls without failure Bard song x5: +1 AB, +2 Damage Can cast arcane scrolls as Bard from lvl 8 Arcane Archer: Imbue arrow x3, Seeker arrow x2, Arrow of death
There are several good builds that that use AA to improve ranged AB in strength based warriors. The builds made by Cinnabar Dinn (The bladed archer), Grizzled Dwarflord (Half elven soldier of fortune) and Jennalee (Singer of blade and bow, Divided heritage) have inspired me. I found no builds in the search with equally good ranged and melee AB that have Devastating Critical both in the melee and the ranged weapon.
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 05/27/10 21:13
Skills by level:
01) Discipline +4 02) Discipline +1 03) Discipline +1 04) Discipline +1 05) Discipline +1 06) Discipline +1 07) Discipline +1 08) Discipline +1, Perform +4, Spellcraft +8, Tumble +10, UMD +11 09) Discipline +1 10) Spot +11 11) Spot +3 12) Spot +1 13) Spot +1 14) Spot +1 15) – 16) – 17) – 18) Discipline +9, Perform +3, Spellcraft +10, Tumble +10, UMD +10 19) – 20) Discipline +2 21) Discipline +1 22) Discipline +1 23) Discipline +1, Perform +3, Spellcraft +5, Tumble +5, UMD +5 24) Discipline +1 25) Discipline +1 26) Discipline +1 27) Discipline +1 28) Discipline +1 29) Discipline +1 30) Discipline +1 31) Discipline +1 32) Discipline +1 33) Discipline +1, Spellcraft +10, Tumble +10, UMD +10 34) Spot +9 35) Spot +6 36) Spot +3 37) – 38) – 39) – 40) Discipline +7, Spellcraft +10, Tumble +5, UMD +5
This would be a scary build to encounter on the battlefield! Knowing that it could dev you with two weapons.. *shudder*.. and it's difficult to run away from a ranged enemy!
Good job!
Mick, I quite like this. Fighter heavy, but I like it. He takes feats that makes him lethal in Epic. Good skill set, decent saves, has a variety of tools in his toolkit. WS/EWS/Dev Crit in a ranged and melee weapon. The ideal soldier. Well done. I'm on the fence about Knockdown though, and was wondering if Called Shot wouldn't be a better choice in this one, but I think you're good either way. KD for his solid melee approach, or Called Shot when working off of strings. Irony's a cruel mistress when she lets you take 20 Fighter levels and you're still short on feats. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
Ariel, Ookla, RIDE!
Wow, a half-pointy ear on ROIDS... nicely done.. Looks like a good solid build.
This is a build that a dwarf might want to think twice before calling him a leaf blower.
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Quote: Posted 11/29/08 16:57 (GMT) -- Mick Dagger I found no builds in the search with equally good ranged and melee AB that have Devastating Critical both in the melee and the ranged weapon.
Nice build, Mick. Perhaps you missed my Devastator build though? (Albeit the melee AB is 42 compared to the ranged AB of 50).
Your build is more FTR-heavy than mine though, which gives you many more feats to choose from.
Again, good build. _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
Oh yeah Cinn, I remember seeing that build... Half-Elf roid rockets all around!!!
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Thanks to everybody for the positive feedback!
@ Grizzled_dwarflord: Irony, indeed. With 20 Fighter levels I still have a list of feats I want in , but there is not room for more fighter if I want the ranged AB up to par with melee AB. I guess I could have squeezed in one more feat if I had taken 3 Bard lvls and 2 more fighter lvls. But I want the build to be played from lvl 1 - 40 without too long between skilldumps. KD vs Called is a matter of taste and with my style of play I prefer KD if I have to choose.
@ Cinnabar Dinn: For some reason your Devastator build didn't show up on the search. It clearly deserves mentioning. It is a strong and dangerous build. Your approach is a bit different and more geared towards archery than mine. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
Quote: Posted 11/30/08 20:53 (GMT) -- Nestrial Darkfalcon "Blow leaves? I bench press large trees!" hehehehe
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Quote: Posted 11/30/08 20:07 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din Perhaps you missed my Devastator build though? (Albeit the melee AB is 42 compared to the ranged AB of 50).
It doesn't show up in my search, either. Even though the post date is 1/16/08, and the update is 1/31/08, maybe it has to do with the build's title entry. Try editing it to read the following: (Fighter10 / Bard3 / AA27). And we're coming up on the new year. Maybe now is a good time for me to suggest to the esteemed Moderators of the Guild to perform an annual update? _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
Ariel, Ookla, RIDE!
Quote: Posted 12/01/08 14:34 (GMT) -- grizzled_dwarflord Maybe now is a good time for me to suggest to the esteemed Moderators of the Guild to perform an annual update?
Second that!
And perhaps make a sticky to tell how to format the title so the build shows up in the search if that is an issue.
Quote: Posted 12/11/08 10:02 (GMT) -- Mick Dagger
Quote: Posted 12/01/08 14:34 (GMT) -- grizzled_dwarflord Maybe now is a good time for me to suggest to the esteemed Moderators of the Guild to perform an annual update?
Second that!
And perhaps make a sticky to tell how to format the title so the build shows up in the search if that is an issue.
AFAIK us moderators were never involved in the search engine. It was made and upheld by Pulse Cap who's gone missing ages ago. I don't know if Kail/someone knows how to update it, but I know I've never been informed how the thing works its magic.
An index update would be possible, however. _________________
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Quote: Posted 12/11/08 15:06 (GMT) -- FinneousPJ
An index update would be possible, however.
Exactly. The Search Engine is only as good as the Index, for that is where it draws its info. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
Ariel, Ookla, RIDE!
I don't know exactly how the searcher Pulse Cap made works either, but it seems it doesn't follow the latest update in the index Bromium did. I have old builds that still don't show up in the searcher but I've checked and they are on the index. Try finding the Devastator as well, it is there, so don't blame the index so much. Manually searching the index can be a pain though, but as far as I see, the searcher only finds stuff from before 2007 or so. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
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I don't know exactly how the searcher Pulse Cap made works either, but it seems it doesn't follow the latest update in the index Bromium did. I have old builds that still don't show up in the searcher but I've checked and they are on the index. Try finding the Devastator as well, it is there, so don't blame the index so much. Manually searching the index can be a pain though, but as far as I see, the searcher only finds stuff from before 2007 or so.
I have some understanding how it works. The discrepancy you are seeing with builds is because the search engine is tied to the original Index thread started by Anuis. It was last updated around August of 07. The two other Index threads, even though they are later, are not utilized with the Search Engine. I noticed at the time that Bromium was creating new thread indexes, and I should have protested, but didn't because I was just happy that somebody was doing it all.
I've sent some feelers out to Pulse Cap, and I'm not sure if he's even around anymore, but I think that any future updates should be made in the original Index thread so that the Engine can find them. I could possibly do something like this, but I would first need the senate to elect me the supreme chancellor and give me total control over the Republic and its armies (with the understanding that I would give it all back once peace was restored, of course). _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
Ariel, Ookla, RIDE! so, in absence of Bromium the dwarflord is finally showing his desire for power? it's funny how it seems that whenever a member is declared mod, his participation starts to fade. Back when they were elected mods, Kail, Finn, Grim, Cin and Bromium used to post a lot. I don't know about previous mods, when I entered griphook was already retired.
The build! sorry. Well, 20 Fighter levels is way over the edge in my mind, Dev crit with 2 weapons? that's crazy, I always prefer the bow-only super high AB Arcane Archers, though with the STR needed for Dev Crit, it's not a waste to grab a sword. Ending stats look decent, I'd say you achieved your purpose, good build. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
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Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 12/12/08 18:31
Quote: Posted 12/12/08 18:26 (GMT) -- Thaxll'ssyllia so, in absence of Bromium the dwarflord is finally showing his desire for power? it's funny how it seems that whenever a member is declared mod, his participation starts to fade.
Oh, it's not power I seek, but only the betterment of the ECB Republic. I think I can fix some of these issues, and mayhaps make a better ECB Guild for all. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
I don't know exactly how the searcher Pulse Cap made works either, but it seems it doesn't follow the latest update in the index Bromium did. I have old builds that still don't show up in the searcher but I've checked and they are on the index. Try finding the Devastator as well, it is there, so don't blame the index so much. Manually searching the index can be a pain though, but as far as I see, the searcher only finds stuff from before 2007 or so.
I have some understanding how it works. The discrepancy you are seeing with builds is because the search engine is tied to the original Index thread started by Anuis. It was last updated around August of 07. The two other Index threads, even though they are later, are not utilized with the Search Engine. I noticed at the time that Bromium was creating new thread indexes, and I should have protested, but didn't because I was just happy that somebody was doing it all.
I've sent some feelers out to Pulse Cap, and I'm not sure if he's even around anymore, but I think that any future updates should be made in the original Index thread so that the Engine can find them. I could possibly do something like this, but I would first need the senate to elect me the supreme chancellor and give me total control over the Republic and its armies (with the understanding that I would give it all back once peace was restored, of course).
Too much eloquence Master Dwarflord. If you want uber power just get me Onion's cookies recipe... you might want to add a nice selection of single malts for Master Din, the old fella says he's gotta get a cut too _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Too much eloquence Master Dwarflord. If you want uber power just get me Onion's cookies recipe... you might want to add a nice selection of single malts for Master Din, the old fella says he's gotta get a cut too
If that's all you require, consider it done, and I can restore the glory. Onion owes me several life debts, so the cookies are in the mail. As for Cinn's single malts, I have my own personal list which I do not allow to fall into public distribution. I'll PM him those. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
Ariel, Ookla, RIDE!
Uh... did I mention that my cookies require scotch? Yes, single malts only, and not the cheap stuff. Let's see, for a single batch, I'll need at least... um... two liters.
Wait, this might be a bit OT...
Concerning the actual build in this thread, while it certainly does what the stated goal was, IMO, it spreads itself too thin to accomplish that. Dems a lot of feats. I do appreciate the fact that you got your ranged and melee ABs to come out the same... Very neat and tidy.
Making a strength based fighter able to handle melee and ranged equally well, is one of the things you can accomplish with the AA class. That was my focus here.
Maybe dev crit with two weapons is crazy. But then again going over the top with feats is a luxury the fighter class offers.
Suggestions so far: Called shot over knockdown Narrow the focus, not so many feats, less fighter More AA for better ranged combat stats
I personally like it. Builds abound already that simply excel at either archery or swordsmanship; it is nice to find one that you simply cannot escape...
If you are a melee build; at least I know if I can get you at range and keep you there I have a chance. The opposite holds true if you are an archer build, get in close and you can be beaten.
In this case there is little chance with either _________________ -4SakN
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Ummm...is one allowed to use Tenser's here?
If so, one could be a 1/2 Orc...get a bit more Str.
Why are you all looking at me like that? _________________ A Tangled Web - Upcoming PW with PRC+CEP
A Half orc AA! *shhhhh
My vote is that web be removed from the guild for mentioning herasey....
btw web, when is that new pw in your sig up?? I may have found a new home... (btw, i was kiddin bout the removal thingy I think dagger was goin for a legal build EVERYWHERE, not just on your server ) _________________
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Quote: Posted 12/16/08 16:11 (GMT) -- WebShaman
Ummm...is one allowed to use Tenser's here?
That is a damn good question that was never really answered. I'm inclined to say no, but certainly not if you can't cast it yourself. That said, if you're playin' this somewhere where you can get a scroll, and no one's gonna chew your head off for havin' a half-orc AA, then, heck, why not? Oh yeah. Skill points. Stupid half-orcs.
Really? (In order to be an AA you must be Elf or Half-Elf)
Quote: Posted 12/16/08 21:19 (GMT) -- onion eater
Quote: Posted 12/16/08 16:11 (GMT) -- WebShaman
Ummm...is one allowed to use Tenser's here?
That is a damn good question that was never really answered. I'm inclined to say no, but certainly not if you can't cast it yourself. That said, if you're playin' this somewhere where you can get a scroll, and no one's gonna chew your head off for havin' a half-orc AA, then, heck, why not? Oh yeah. Skill points. Stupid half-orcs.
Tenser's Transformation turns you into an Elf for the duration, complete with multiclass penalties and availibity of Arcane Archer. _________________ People who say that I am arrogant are mistaken. Arrogance is a flaw; I am flawless.
Before we get way off topic. It appears that tensers can allow you to qual for AA. HOWEVER, if you are playing a PW, then NOPE, especially if Legal enforced chars (and who plays on any other type of server, from our guild anyway).
So while the idea of Halforc AA is nice, it really has no business in the epic builds forums. Read Whiz's post on the general forum in this guild for more info. _________________
If so, one could be a 1/2 Orc...get a bit more Str.
Why are you all looking at me like that?
Interesting approach to use Tenser to simulate elf. But the build will be illegal most places.
If I were going to try it I wouldn't have taken Half orc, because of the penalty to intelligence (skillpoints) as onion eater pointed out above. I would have chosen human for the exra skill and feat or dwarf for the constitution and racial saves. And none of them gets an xp penalty.
Excellent build here, I have always kept my eyes open for a good melee/ranged build. Going to give this a try as a human.
Edited By sc00ter1821 on 12/29/08 18:33
You can't be human, must be Elf or half elf for AA. If you want a legal build, that is
Quote: Posted 12/29/08 18:50 (GMT) -- Maximillian Kane
You can't be human, must be Elf or half elf for AA. If you want a legal build, that is
Look up the thread about tenser's. _________________
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Pish tosh. We should now turn our attention to those dastardly devices that actually TIE one's body to the vehicle. No thank you, I prefer to have inertia throw my body clear of an accident, kindly.
I read it already, but I really don't like those kinds of cheats/exploits.
Mick, I quite like this. Fighter heavy, but I like it. He takes feats that makes him lethal in Epic. Good skill set, decent saves, has a variety of tools in his toolkit. WS/EWS/Dev Crit in a ranged and melee weapon. The ideal soldier. Well done. I'm on the fence about Knockdown though, and was wondering if Called Shot wouldn't be a better choice in this one, but I think you're good either way. KD for his solid melee approach, or Called Shot when working off of strings. Irony's a cruel mistress when she lets you take 20 Fighter levels and you're still short on feats. 
Oh yeah Cinn, I remember seeing that build... Half-Elf roid rockets all around!!!
, but there is not room for more fighter if I want the ranged AB up to par with melee AB. 
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Stupid half-orcs.
Really? (In order to be an AA you must be Elf or Half-Elf)