"Born of blue blood, her face as innocent as a newborn and her skin as pure as honey. No one would've suspected her to the Lower Planes' chosen - a babe of iniquity, vileness and to be utterly irredeemable.
Andariel.
Oft, whence the keep slept she would sneak out of her warm bed and while away to the darkness, the coldness beyond the castle wall, dragging with her a gagged street-beggar or perhaps a harlot - One who would not be noticed or be cause for any concern should they vanish. Once out of earshot and prying eyes she'd purge her prey to the fullest and make great spectacle of it, painting its lifeblood upon her own self with great decadence before feasting thereupon."
Pros: Great Support Character Decent Attack Bonus Great Armor Class Bard Buffs Curse Song! Wounding Whispers(my favorite)
Cons: LOW LOW LOW HP Mediocre Saves
Constructive and downright mean and offensive criticism is appreciated.
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 04/29/09 18:11
Not so much a criticism, constructive or otherwise, but there's a typo in the title. Says "barb 26/RDD10/PM10." I was wondering how you managed to pull that off...
Edit: ok, and a minor criticism. I'd sooner max spellcraft than spot, heal, or discipline.
Edit number two: ok, more. What does elf get you? I mean, besides a bonus to stat you don't need, and a penalty to a stat you do. I'd drop it like a hot potato. Human, dwarven would probably be best, although I'd be half tempted to go gnome...
Constructive and downright mean and offensive criticism is appreciated.
For a second i thought you were refering to MY posting habits! LOL i call them like i see them, and this is....
a true thing a BEAUTY!
Stoppin at 4 pm! WOW! Right, you get +4 ac for the effort! Most value the imm to crit, but i dont think most will last (if the player KNOWS bards) long enough to worry about it!
My only thing, and it is ENTIRELY a personal thing, with all the str (38+boni from items - 50!) so DEv crit is SOOO tempting! You would loose the ext and still spell and blind fight (ouch) pre, then epic fort and ESF: dis epic, but its a trade.
This is a bard i would play, and i havent ever played a non-cleric bard! LOL _________________
I think avado answered your question like no other could...
Quote: Posted 01/03/09 21:00 (GMT) -- onion eater
What does elf get you?
I honestly just like elf because of active detect. It makes me feel safe, lol!
But you could change it based on personal preference, whatever man, whatever.
Quote: For a second i thought you were refering to MY posting habits!
I'm scared of you, avado!
But honestly I just kind of put that up there as a joke
Also on the server I play on Dev Crit is banned, but you could definitely do it if you wanted to.
Thanks for the replies!
Edited By DarkInfernoo on 01/03/09 21:14
Quote: Posted 01/03/09 21:00 (GMT) -- onion eater
Edit number two: ok, more. What does elf get you? I mean, besides a bonus to stat you don't need, and a penalty to a stat you do. I'd drop it like a hot potato. Human, dwarven would probably be best, although I'd be half tempted to go gnome...
Man, you must be an elf-ist! Personally, id go Half-orc! The race, since its one base class, really isnt an issue. If he likes elf, go elf! Dark has been around long enough to know, if you know! I think he was here before me!
onion, me thinks you are becoming alittle like avado.. STOP IT NOW! There is room for only one ornery ol' bugger, and me thinks we all know who that is. RIght thax? _________________
I agree with avado, Storm of Vengeance rocks, it stuns great, it can deal heavy damage over time, and Evasion doesn't work against it, you should try it in your strategy as well, too bad it's conjura
For the record, I like the build. Not super flashy, but the bard gets you all the flash you really need.
I hear ya on the keen senses thing, but I'd think w/ the HP being so low here, elf is the last race you'd want to use. On the other hand, you could drop exotic and use a longsword, which would at least give you one more practical reason to use elf. Nit-picky, yeah, but how about using search since you have those keen senses? I think you could spare the skill points.
But, yeah, as avado says, race could easily be swapped out. I just can't help but feel like elf is the last race I'd use.
Well, I can bet Halfing is a worse race
Anyway, so Dev Crit is banned, then what's the Epic Fortitude for? when a mage casts a death spell on you, not even all the saves feats will do a difference.
I'm far from a fan of high level Bards, so I'd take the tenth Pale Master level. I've read you can take Lasting Inspiration on Bard's level 20.
Andariel... for a second I thought on Diablo II, but no, it doesn't seem like it.
Quote: by avado There is room for only one ornery ol' bugger, and me thinks we all know who that is. RIght thax?
Don't involve me, you are a big boy and are very capable of making your own defensive arguments by yourself, or at least that's what I've understood so far. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 01/04/09 02:52
Actually.. it's not banned. I just hate it so much that I try to avoid it at all possibilities of it occurring..
Also, Diablo II is one of my favorite games. I absolutely love it! And that is exactly where I pulled the name Andariel from..
Such a great game.. *sigh*
Edited By DarkInfernoo on 01/04/09 02:56
You can't make an Andariel build without... I don't know, POISON! I don't recall any red wings either. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
You can't make an Andariel build without... I don't know, POISON! I don't recall any red wings either.
Poison doesn't kill.. at max it only reduces you to 1 hp. That would be lame, don't ya think? "Ha, you're at 1 hp!" .... "Now what?" *runs away*
^-- mind you that's in the diablo universe..
And she had those claw things coming out of her back, if you had poor vision you could interpret those as wings?
So why did you take PM instead of Bkg? _________________
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Pish tosh. We should now turn our attention to those dastardly devices that actually TIE one's body to the vehicle. No thank you, I prefer to have inertia throw my body clear of an accident, kindly.
Quote: Posted 01/04/09 19:36 (GMT) -- FinneousPJ So why did you take PM instead of Bkg?
Because then it wouldn't be original?
But, agreed again. BG gets ya more than the four PM levels, including 4APR, and the possibility of DM/DS. Mmm... divine damage...
I am certainly missing something important, so I ask.
Why RDD9 pre-epic? Instead of going Bard12/RDD8.
Why RDD10 at lvl 39???? It gives you sooo much compared to the other 9 levels I just can't figure out why you take it later than lvl 22. Can't really see any skill needed to be dumped at a RDD level either, since Bard has it all.
The Exotic proficiency is mostly useless too, agreed. Don't underestimate concentratiion either, several of the Bardspells are Verbal spells, the most important is Darkness. Dropping a Darkness in combat can really save the day. _________________ We are sons of Odin, and the fire that we burn inside is the legacy of warrior-kings who reign above in the sky I will lead the charge, my sword into the wind Sons of Odin fights to die and live again
Quote: Posted 01/05/09 11:50 (GMT) -- Grimnir77
I am certainly missing something important, so I ask.
Why RDD9 pre-epic? Instead of going Bard12/RDD8.
Well, he is the Irredeemable. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
Ariel, Ookla, RIDE!
Quote: Posted 01/05/09 11:50 (GMT) -- Grimnir77
Why RDD9 pre-epic? Instead of going Bard12/RDD8.
Could you explain this please?
Also.. RDD has Spot, which I like, and I also like the Katana weapon.
Is that so wrong?!
I just make builds based on things I like.. not cookie cutter uber power.. Gee
Edited By DarkInfernoo on 01/06/09 19:12
RDD gains no BAB at level 9, therefore, if you leave the ninth level into epics, you gain +1 BAB with absolutely no loss whatsoever, not even playability here.
It is kinda wrong to take the tenth RDD level so late. That is the level which gives the most bonuses, so you want it as fast as possible, not at level 39. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 01/06/09 21:17
Yah, RDD10 at the end kinda makes this a lvl 40 build. I mean, I guess it doesn't make it unplayable 1-40, but it's a huge and lamentable loss while leveling. Can't ya just be happy w/ listen?
NO way does taking rdd at 39 make this unplayable! OMG! What has happened to this topic when avado is for and the rest are against! LOL jk
I know it is different, but it in no way makes it incorrect. Whether or not i would do it in this build, who knows. We are talking about Dark's build, and he likes it at 39. Besides, it makes the stretch to 39 more exciting! I see it as motivation to get to 40! There are always 2 or more sides to every coin. Let's start lookin at the GOOD side (yes, I said it! Me AVADO!) _________________
Excitement to get to level 40? man, you don't plan a build beforehand to end like that. Anyway, I normally never get my builds up to level 40, so it blows my mind to leave RDD 10 up to level 39. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Excitement to get to level 40? man, you don't plan a build beforehand to end like that. Anyway, I normally never get my builds up to level 40, so it blows my mind to leave RDD 10 up to level 39.
Haha. Well normally I play to 40 and then the game "continues" on the search for "ph4t l3wt".
Also I PvP a LOT. Lol, but if you don't like the build then whatever.
In a server that you can level to 40 in, it's more fun if your build matures (even if you dont) around 30 so you can compete with almost all the epics.
In a server that you can level to 40 in, it's more fun if your build matures (even if you dont) around 30 so you can compete with almost all the epics.
While I totally agree, and for me it would be unthinkable to delay RDD like that, what's 'more fun' is, of course, rather subjective. Besides, building for level 40 is a totally acceptable thing to do. Even if I wouldn't build this way, I can't say it's 'wrong.' Besides, it's a simple enough thing to move RDD 10 into early epics, if that's what you want. It's not build breaking in the least.
Quote: Posted 01/07/09 23:35 (GMT) -- onion eater
Besides, building for level 40 is a totally acceptable thing to do. Even if I wouldn't build this way, I can't say it's 'wrong.'
Lv 40 builds are NOT building!! LOL a monkey can do it! and i have seen a monkey build a few!! LOL
lv 40 builds involve no thought or appreciation for what it is to play a character. For example, doing a cleric/wiz and taking wiz first shows no appreciation to how much easier it is to lvl clerics, not to mention now having the wiz feats in EPIC, as epic feats,
That said, taking rdd at 39 isnt a bad thing. You dudes are bein mean and i really dont want to see Dark cry! And for the record, a build like this ISNT a static thing. I dont think i have EVER plaed a build that i have made or have borrowed that is exactly as written. As you play you find out about the pw (i wont talk of those cake-walk mods ) so you make adjustments. For example, on one server scribe scroll is a GOD feat, yet on others it is a waste. So a build designed for not having it COULD benefit HUGELY by having it on that server.
nwn is a CREATIVE endeavour. Lets keep the focus on what is important in this build!! Usin 4 PM levels to gain 4 ac! That is a hidden stroke of gnius! Remember that build way back that used ONE level of PM? GENIUS!!
Now, back to our regular scheduled avado jk _________________
Quote: -- Posted by Kail Pendragon
Being hyperbolic is an integral part of Avado's being
Also I PvP a LOT. Lol, but if you don't like the build then whatever.
It has nothing to do with not liking the build, it has to do with us suggesting how we think it improves, you know. I also thought you meant this literally:
Constructive and downright mean and offensive criticism is appreciated.
So sorry for that.
So for spot it is.... That kinda answered my question, but I still wouldn't do it. At least do BARD12/RDD8 for the first 20 levels.
If you PvP a lot, then I can't for sure understand why you postpone the last RDD level, since I would assume it to be very much needed. where I PvP'ed at least, every little point counted.
Good build though. _________________ I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide. I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
I run the Pre-Epic Builders guild. Join and share your experience.
Also I PvP a LOT. Lol, but if you don't like the build then whatever.
It has nothing to do with not liking the build, it has to do with us suggesting how we think it improves, you know. I also thought you meant this literally:
Constructive and downright mean and offensive criticism is appreciated.
So sorry for that.
So for spot it is.... That kinda answered my question, but I still wouldn't do it. At least do BARD12/RDD8 for the first 20 levels.
If you PvP a lot, then I can't for sure understand why you postpone the last RDD level, since I would assume it to be very much needed. where I PvP'ed at least, every little point counted.
Good build though.
Perhaps I just don't understand your revisions. Every point to me does matter and 12Bard/8RDD pre-epic is something I never would of thought of!
Anyways, here she is
Andariel the Irredeemable (Revised)
Bard(26), Red Dragon Disciple(10), Pale Master(4), Human
So why did you take PM instead of Bkg? 
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jk
